What I Like About MGTOW

[FangParticipant 102]

My acquaintences would be amazed to hear me say this, but I’m at a loss for words. I really don’t know where to start. I could list my past experiences with females to explain my presence here, but all of you have heard it before. Different names, same story. I could write 1000 words about myself, kissing my own ass while trying to fit in with the guys. But that wouldn’t impress anyone and most of you wouldn’t believe a lot of it anyway. Hell, I barely believe some of it and I lived it!

So I plan to give an abbreviated history of my relationships with the single-helixed Neanderthals now colloquially known as “women” and then present a list of what I like about the MGTOW philosophy and what I like about its adherents.

Succinctly, I’ve been stabbed once, shot twice, and married three times (none related). Working backwards chronologically, my present girlfriend is 29 and just dyed her hair purple. I suppose that’s not a terrible thing but I’m 55 and really haven’t developed an appreciation of lavender locks. Before her was a 53 year old nurse I met online. An astonishingly attractive woman, she seemed to be quite suitable for me, or so I thought. One evening I was being playful with my text messages and she became quite irritable and  informed me that she was sick and she wasn’t going to deal with me. So I arranged it so she would never have to deal with me again. That one lasted two weeks. Before her was a (now) 25 year old hairdresser. She was a lot of fun but she started to gain weight and now sports a butt the size of a near earth asteroid. Before her a 23 year old hairdresser. She went and got a $600 crucifix tattoo on her rib cage. That was all the excuse I needed. Then another 23 year old hairdresser and part-time lingerie model. My neighbor has a small mother-in-law detached suite behind his house and I arranged for her to move in. Even started to accumulate furniture. Do any of you realize how convenient that would have been? Nearly instantaneous on-demand sex 24/7 yet I didn’t have to put up with her living in my house. The only problem was she forgot to tell me she was married.

Before her I was frolicking around with a golddigger I’ll call Boonquisha. It was always fun to try to anticipate her cons. Well Boonquisha pushed things too far and violated the Sugar Daddy Code. So I started sleeping with her sister, a beautiful (now) 31 year old college student. She treated me like I was a king and it was the best relationship I ever had. Of course difficulties arose to wreck that one. She was the mother of a special needs child and she wanted to go back to “babydaddy” so that the child would know her father. Also, I’m a part-time bodyguard and she never really understood what that entailed. On Friday the 13th (January  2012) I was working with a client when a few drunken college students got out of hand. I sent one running and put two in the hospital. Unfortunately I ended up there myself with a broken face. Yes, a broken face. It was a pretty big shock to her when she came to my house the morning of the 15th. I did look pretty bad and it was enough to send her running.

Let me skip a few and go to wife #3. A Native American with the body of a teenager. She couldn’t handle her firewater but she wouldn’t quit drinking. She had to go. I later found out she was a crackhead as well.

Wife #2 looked like a Swedish model…every one of you has met her and is intimately familiar with her. Her name is Lucifer and she was very careful with my money. She took great care to ensure that she only spent $1.25 for every $1.00 I earned. To compound our problems she had a daughter named Satanette who obviously became my step-demon. Since Lucifer was a p~~~-poor mother, Satanette was raised by her schoolteacher grandma who thought she was wealthy and her union electrician grandfather who never worked a single day during the three years I was married to the Princess of Hell. Because of this, Satanette’s entire vocabulary consisted of “gimme!” and “I wanna!” I kept Lucifer around far longer than I should have…she had an astonishingly remarkable talent for oral sex. All kidding aside, if she would have been an honest hard-working whore instead of being a mere slut she could have gotten rich.

Skipping a few more brings me to wife #1. Not too long after we became engaged I realized something was wrong. I’m tempted to say she was a can or two short of a six pack but that wouldn’t be entirely accurate. All her cans were there but she was missing that plastic thingy that holds them all together. Anyway every time is tried to break off the engagement she would get hysterical and start hyperventilating until she lost consciousness. She repeatedly threatened to commit suicide. What was I to do? Well me being the quintessential chivalrous white knight I surrendered my manhood and married her. That bitch stole ten years of my life that I can never get back. And at age 55, I need those years!

For me, that was the enlightenment…the red pill. Pill Hell! I crushed it up, mixed it with water, and injected it into my veins! The Eureka moment. Now I knew the truth…I knew what women really were all about. I haven’t trusted one of the subhumans since then.

Yes, I know what all of you are thinking. “If you’re so f’ing brilliant why all the rest?” The answer is obvious: I still had my sexual needs to contend with and I’ve always had an overactive  libido. But that’s not all of it. Watching venomous snakes or lizards or even spiders (all spiders are venomous) is actually quite fascinating. As long as you know exactly where they are and where the fangs or stinger is. Women dislike intelligent men because really smart guys can usually figure out the games and that annoys the p~~~ out of them. It actually became a sport with me, listening to their lies, watching their treachery, trying to anticipate their diversions to figure out what kind of scam they were running. It still is a sport to me.

Enough of that. My professional life would bore all of you with the possible exception of my bomb squad days. And later I did have a BATFE Type 20 license and a business (BMT Kinetics LLC) to manufacture high explosives.

As to why I admire the MGTOW philosophy and its adherents, it will work. The “date strike” or “relationship hiatus” (can I copyright that?) can be highly effective if two conditions are met: enough men do it, and the general public knows what it’s about. People, not just the feminazis have to realize that we’re serious and that we are coordinated and not just a few fringe groups and individuals acting independently. True, we are all “independent” with no set hierarchy but neither are we uncoordinated and without direction.

Another thing I admire about the philosophy (I prefer the term “philosophy” to “movement” as it more accurately represents the truth) is it’s emphasis on self-sufficiency. Although many of my clients are, I’m not a Prepper or survivalist and I distance myself from the movements. But in no way do I imply that a man should not be capable of taking care of himself under any reasonable circumstances. That can include growing and preserving food, animal husbandry, etc. Not too long ago every man worth his salt possessed such skills and knowledge. Unfortunately such talents are a casualty of the 21st century, feminism, and modern society’s view that such things are best left to menials and migrant workers, not college graduates.

The diversity of the adherents of MGTOW is actually quite impressive. They’re across the age spectrum, Christians support atheists and agnostics and vice versa (I’m a Deist), race and national origin seems not to matter at all…perhaps this is the most diverse group I’ve ever been associated with.

I’m also impressed by the diversity of skills and interests of MGTOW.com participants. While not always obvious, I’ve seen a variety of professions and occupations. I have a huge variety of interests believing in Robert Heinlein’s saying “Specialization is for insects.” I’ve seen comments from a doctor-I have a Master’s Degree in Epidemiology and Community Health, I’m an ex EMT, and wilderness and mountaineering medicine is a hobby of mine. I have a medical kit that would rival the setup of most doctor’s offices and I know how to use it. I’ve seen a screen name suggestive of a radio antenna used in communications-I have Amateur and commercial licenses. I’ve  seen the screen name of a propeller mechanic-assuming  he works on aircraft propellers I have an FAA A&P certificate to work on aircraft. In summary, I seem to have a lot in common with the other participants.

I am also comfortable with the fact that MGTOW is not anti Second Amendment. As a rule, groups seeking social change are only too happy to jump on the anti-gun bandwagon. Not so here but it really should not be surprising. EVERY post I’ve read shows a commitment to clear and logical thought with the barest minimum of hysteria only rarely occurring. People who exercise logic and espouse the truth know the true facts about guns and gun control. The only womanly, illogical comments I’ve seen concerning gun control were from a troll with a Northern European name living in Canada. And his ignorance was so glaringly obvious that even the Bradyites would distance themselves from his buffoonery. I’ve noted several forum participants openly discussing firearms. If anyone’s interested, I’m an NRA pistol and rifle instructor, personal protection instructor, Chief Range Safety Officer, Glock factory certified pistol instructor and Advanced Armorer, Colt factory certified M-16 and O Frame Armorer, and S&W  factory certified revolver Armorer. Prior to a back injury in October 2012 (2012 was a very, very bad year for me), I fired 300-500 rounds per week.

At the risk of sounding like a grammar Nazi, I’m impressed by the quality of writing I’ve seen. This isn’t so much of an education or intelligence issue. It’s simply that the writers take extra care and time to get things right…a far cry from the typical semi-literate graduates of the American public school system. Non-native English speakers routinely apologize for their poor grasp of the language while writing better than American college graduates. I once proof-read a college graduate school paper written by wife #2. I thought it was written by a twelve year old. She should have stuck to blowjobs.

Now that I’ve set the world record for introductory posts, I want to close by encouraging everyone to keep it up. We need rapid, dramatic social change and we won’t get it by waving picket signs and singing Vietnam era Joan Baez songs. Peaceful protests will not work. Short of a crippling national or global catastrophe which isn’t going to happen or armed insurrection and another civil war which won’t happen either, our only option is to simply ignore women. Even then it will take decades, but if anyone has a better idea I’m listening.

 

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Welcome Fang,
No need to apologize for the intro’s length. That was an interesting read. The variety of backgrounds and ages of the mgtow members indicates to me that the men across a wide variety of backgrounds all have similar experiences with different women all around the western world. That indicates to me that around the western world, all these different women with all their different backgrounds are providing men with essentially the same experience. That’s either interesting or spooky depending on your mind set I guess.

I don’t ascribe to a conspiracy theory that all women are secretly working together. But I do notice that their magazines are distributed around the western world, and many of the articles in them do not discourage them from the crazy that we’ve all seen in them. The ones you’ve described however, seem to be among the worst. And if I’d known you sooner, could have warned you about hair dressers. I had a run of them decades ago and they all seem to treat crazy like it’s a competition.

Your experiences can be useful and protective to some of the younger members. I hope to read more of your input on whatever threads are important enough to you to post on.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Proud to make your acquaintance. What an interesting read! What is an individual? An interweaving, ever-changing fabric of emotions, actions, interactions and relationships good and bad. You sir fit this bill very well.  I can’t wait to read more. These activities and interactions inevitably affect my emotions, for the most part by watering them down to a pathetic mediocrity. Quite the opposite effect from from reading your intro. You was still under the effects of that mainlined redpill when crashing through the front door.  Welcome to mgtow!

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

Fang:

 

Good to meet another ham on this site.  There are a few of us about.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

This intro got bumped to the top before I made it to the 3rd paragraph. Welcome to MGTOW, Fang. Damn excellent way to make an entrance. The length of this is the strength. My shoulders are still shaking from reading about an “ass the size of a near-earth asteroid”. That got me when I wasn’t expecting it.

Women dislike intelligent men because really smart guys can usually figure out the games and that annoys the p~~~ out of them. It actually became a sport with me, listening to their lies, watching their treachery, trying to anticipate their diversions to figure out what kind of scam they were running. It still is a sport to me.

No doubt about it. Highly intelligent men are “handicapped” when it comes to women. Not actually “handicapped” ( or disadvantaged )…. but as far as women are concerned, it works against him. However, in reality (and the long run) it works against HER. Women ALWAYS pretend they like (and want) “smart” men…. but that is as much of a lie as “not all women are like that”. They like their men stone stupid…. and you will never have to learn to ice skate home, because hell would freeze over before you ever hear a modern female say “Gosh! I never thought of it that way before!”

I have bested women using humor alone. She uses sarcasm to say something snide and “funny”,… I respond quickly with something MORE snide and funnier, and she will begin pouting and getting irritated. They REALLY DO believe only they can have the last word. It’s remarkable.

Most women born in the last 50 years DESPISE a smarter man… and upon meeting one who is entirely hip to her jive, their vaginas dry up faster than you can say “near-earth asteroid”. They are eternally convinced he simply doesn’t exist. In this way, being smarter than she is an enormous advantage. Especially if you dumb yourself down for their benefit. And by “smarter”, I don’t mean E=MC2…. I mean “what a great advantage a man can have over women if he only knew what cold and calculating thoughts are running through her mind as her eyes are brimming with tears”.

Unfortunately this requires constantly operating on a higher plane than she, and no real communication or partnership is possible. The man will ALWAYS be alone.

They say they want men who are “better” in every way.
Smarter. Wealthier. Better educated. More established. Secure. Taller…. etc.

But when she actually MEETS a man like that, she doesn’t account for the fact that he will think she is:
Dumber. Poorer. Less educated. Insecure. Shorter etc.

So they can’t HAVE a superior man…. when they are going to COMPLAIN that he makes her feel “inferior”.
And this is how they set themselves to be repeat failures in their personal lives.

They think all men are “Oscar the plumber”…. and then “Oscar the plumber” is the BEST she will ever do.

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I’m impressed by the quality of writing I’ve seen. It’s simply that the writers take extra care and time to get things right…a far cry from the typical semi-literate graduates of the American public school system. Non-native English speakers routinely apologize for their poor grasp of the language while writing better than American college graduates.

This has been pointed out by me on many occasions here, where guy from Europe makes an intro here and begins the FIRST SENTENCE with “sorry my English is not perfect. Please bare with me”. Men arrive here and APOLOGIZE for “not being perfect”. A woman wouldn’t even apologize for posting on a men’s-only forum when she KNOWS she was never welcome or invited.

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Short of a crippling national or global catastrophe which isn’t going to happen or armed insurrection and another civil war which won’t happen either, our only option is to simply ignore women. Even then it will take decades, but if anyone has a better idea I’m listening.

Attention is every woman’s lifeblood. Treat it like women treat sex. Nothing is more devastating to women than being totally ignored. If you succeed in doing this totally… tell me how. I am fully aware, and it still takes self-discipline to adhere to it.

Welcome to MGTOW , Fang. Hope to read more from you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

keymaster,
It’s ironic, but as I read what you posted about if you can totally ignore a woman, tell you how. The first thing that occurred to me was: hardline muslims won’t even look a woman in the face. They know how to do this.

They don’t even trust women enough to look at them. That’s not a subtle difference in the way they deal with women.

Right now, I know it’s time to type all the disclaimers that I don’t think all muslims are terrorists, I don’t agree with cutting women’s heads off in the public square for having a burqua short enough to show some ankle, or violence for any other reason, I don’t favor sharia law… and all the other things I need to type right here so that no one gets offended and I don’t look like an ignorant dick.

But the observation that I do make is that in those countries, men never gave an inch of ground in their historic relationship with women. A thousand years went by and they never agreed to change their laws, customs, language, politics, behavior etc in order to try to make their women happier. Like a fricken rock. NOTHING changed. In the rest of the world, about a century ago, men let women start voting. But that wasn’t enough. Women were given more and more… power, control, independence, education, advantage, privilege… and yet, they are still not happy, and their behavior has never been worse. Our great grandfathers let that genie out of the bottle and we are probably not going to return her to it anytime soon. As fair and just as it may have seemed at the time to give them the vote, it’s looking less and less like it was a great idea for the longer term.

Earlier, in another post, I was typing an observation about how on this site, there are men from all over the world coming here after having had similar experiences with women. But as I think of it now, that’s not completely accurate. Whatever negative things can be said about the muslim religion, I don’t think I’ve ever met a devout muslim man from a Muslim-run country who complained about how badly the women in those countries behaved toward men. And I don’t think I’ve seen a post from one on this site since I’ve been on it. Setting aside for a minute wether they had good reason for that complete, consistent rigidity toward women, I just want to look at the effect…

The lesson I take from that, and I’ll qualify it again by saying it’s the ONLY lesson I take from it, is that giving in a little here and there on the assumption that if they complain for something and get it from us, that this will make them happier, and they’ll stop complaining. Obviously, this has not been the case. It’s not the case on a macro societal scale, and most of here know from experience that it is not the case on a one to one basis. In fact, reacting that way has probably only encouraged the behavior. The other part of the lesson from that is in reference to what another poster wrote about women basically having the minds of children, and were historically treated accordingly.

The most common advice for a parent interacting with a child is that the parent must assume the role of ‘adult’ in the parent child relationship. It is not a democracy, a partnership or a friendship. And the parent MUST BE CONSISTENT. A parent says ‘no’ and the kid throws a tantrum… A good parent still says ‘no’. A kid throws a tantrum and the parent reverses course: now the kid is in the driver’s seat and dictating course and the parent is in the dependent reacting seat. The kids raised this way are a giant pain in the ass. Women in our society are not told ‘no’ on a macro scale (abortion for male gender baby, paternity fraud, false rape claims…they do whatever the f~~~ they want), and they are not told ‘no’ on a one to one basis nearly enough either (free dinner, free drinks, free chauffer on individual dates).

And that’s the second part of the lesson I take from this observation: Say no to women and mean it so much that when a thousand years has gone by, the answer will still be no. They will throw tantrums and bitch and moan and s~~~ test. To borrow Soulman’s analogy, there will be flak. Take the flak and continue to consistently say no.

Say no to getting married because, despite all the political and social advantage they’ve been given, those things are on mass scale. They are not personal and individually tailored to each woman. There is still something they want but don’t yet have… the personal sacrifice of another person’s entire will to make their decisions according to their own interests. A woman isn’t fully in the driver’s seat until she’s achieved that. Say ‘no’ and take the flak for it. Then say ‘no’ some more

Say no to everyday acts like holding the door for them because, like a little kid, they need to have it demonstrated to them consistently that it’s necessary to earn things like that. These things are not free just because you’ve been born with a vagina. Take the flak for that too.

Next, say ‘no’ to having them express themselves on this website. Say ‘no’ to that because there needs to be a consistent source of ‘no’ that they can experience consistently. They may find a mangina or white knight somewhere who will say yes to whatever. Fine with me if they do. They will still hear ‘no’ at this one place. No need to be violent. No need even to be impolite…just consistent.

We will not see the vote taken back in our lifetime. And we will not see 100% of men saying ‘no’ to marriage. And there will likely always be some poor schmo who will stand in the rain and hold a door. But finally, on women being here on this site, it is ‘no’ every time. And it will still be ‘no’ 1000 years from now. They need to hear that.

So to end a long answer to keymaster’s short question about how to ignore them: follow the example of consistency demonstrated by hard line muslims (just not so much their justice system or foreign policy examples) 😛

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[davParticipant 422]

Hey Fang,

Enjoyed your intro. 3 marriages. Wow. I’m a lightweight compared to that!

And hairdressers.. you live dangerously I can tell, they are f~~~ing crazy! haha

I stumbled in here not long ago confused and needing advice. It’s fun here. And educational.

Cheers man!

[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

Welcome Fang.

Fang wrote:

I could write 1000 words about myself, kissing my own ass while trying to fit in with the guys. But that wouldn’t impress anyone and most of you wouldn’t believe a lot of it anyway. Hell, I barely believe some of it and I lived it!

Actually – it was 1,920 words.

A very impressive and interesting life you have had so far sir!   I look forward to hearing more of your posts.

 

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

[Anonymous 42]

Hey Fang, I’d like to get a guy like you in my garage, like the Ausi that built (in his garage) the fastest watercraft on earth 325mph., and still holds the record!  I know a guy like you could help me build the fastest ultra lite on earth (in my garage) I have several different concepts, and power-plant choices that never existed before.  I’m always AMAZED at the intelligence that gathers here. Nowhere else (collectively) does so much smartness exist!  It’s a modern day library of Alexandria.

[…Spectator 1165]

Fang: YO man. ListenUp! here. saw a couple verbal high fives rolling up top about you and came over to read your story. f~~~ing awesome man.

read your words top to bottom man. good style. reminds me of my own. some reverse chronology in there, great descriptions of true s~~~, and epic stories about the chicks you’ve banged.  i’ll share one parallel universe moment in your story to comment on RE Boonquisha:

Dude: is she the one with the sister, Poonquisha? the hotter younger skinny one that didn’t hit the wall yet? and speaking of walls, if you f~~~ Poonquisha again, please look in there and see if the words ListenUp! mgtow are still inside her. I try to leave a sig everywhere i go, but pens weren’t so good in the 90’s.

My best friend taught me a great lesson about the haircutter bitches: always have a back up salon to go to because once you are in their ecosystem they’ll f~~~ up your hair and charge you extra when they’re mad.

Great bio and I think you’ll fit in here. proud to hear another writer talking about the quality of the writing here which i take a great deal of time to do hoping to tip the scales back towards sanity. my dad was a fotog and copy editor at the latimes and he taught me a lot. later he went into aerospace and thank you plaques were all over his office signed by all of the apollo mission guys. we even went to florida for a launch and i never forgot that day.

Last point: above in your post you say something about the obvious. well, if you haven’t met him yet, we have our very own Captain Obvious. You should seek him out. Great dude. Pretty sure that when he reads your post he will post on it and say

“Obviously.”

no greater rating on a post than him saying that man. worth more than 5 forum +1’s if you ask me. Looking forward to more of your posts and don’t worry about the length. as Smitty would say “NoF~~~sGiven” about that.

[Big Viking Chef BVCParticipant 1286]

Welcome Fang,

Great intro.  We are all Monsters created out of our own darkened histories.

Cheers!

BVC

 

 

Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.

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