What do “I” get?

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

So I had a conversation with a group of people. We were bantering back and forth, and as ALWAYS someone brings up the topic of marriage. Now, everybody of course is like, “Oh, getting married will be so awesome, etc”. Then they notice I’m not speaking. So they say, “Don’t you think so?”.

Now they know I am logic oriented. I say, simply, “No”, and of course they ask, “why not?”

I say, “When women get married (and even before), they get a free dinners, free gifts, a free multi-thousand dollar ring, a house, and a car, and if they don’t they make sure they complain. What do I get?

Of course, they use the usual statements of, “Oh, she’ll make you a better person, she’ll give you love, you’re too material based, etc”.

I response, “Now, you notice everything you’ve just said is INTANGIBLE. Women get something physical, tangible, something they can touch. They have “proof” so to speak, and if they DON’T get it, they make it synonymous with him not loving her anymore, or being cheap, etc. I’ll get married as SOON as I get free dinners, free gifts, a free multi-thousand dollar ring, a house, a car, and also someone that will enable me to not work for the rest of my life. Sound ridiculous? (of course they say yes) That’s what women want, and don’t even try denying it”.

We then switch to another topic. Interestingly enough, not even the women in the group tried to say anything about it.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[RoyDalParticipant]

@jackinov,
You nailed it!

It is funny, is it not, that when dosed with facts and logic, the conversational topic gets moved to safer ground? Either that, or the panel starts shouting all at once. Either way, your answer goes unrefuted.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Jackinov wrote:

she’ll make you a better person

Thanks for the laugh. That’s a good one. How the f~~~ did you not double over laughing?’

WEDDING = AISLE……. ALTAR……. HYMN.

AISLE………. ALTAR……. HYMN.

“I’ll alter him.”

No woman EVER made a man a “better person”. Ever.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

Marriage can make you a good person…. if you were a great one before.

Not as good as the billionaire millionaire line. Lol

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[SpacemonkeyParticipant 1481]

Keymaster wrote:

“I’ll alter him.”

No woman EVER made a man a “better person”. Ever.

So very true. Why do wimin marry men they don’t like and want to change? What is it about wimin that makes them constantly unsatisfied with what they have? They get a man and then try to “make him better” They get the house and the car but the house isn’t big enough or its in the wrong area or it doesn’t have a pool or the pool isn’t big enough or the kitchen needs to be replaced and on and on and on.. Why aren’t wimin ever happy with what they have?

The people next door to me are constantly working on their house, knocking walls down and ripping windows out etc. The thing is they are never actually there, it is their holiday home and they visit it a couple of times a year for a couple of weeks at a time. And yet the house still needs a new kitchen or bathroom or something else. And you can bet your bottom dollar who is behind all this unnecessary expense, these vanity projects.

And that is, in a nutshell why wimin are never happy with what they have, they are vane. Their vanity drives them to constantly want more or better and it is all about improving their status with other wimin. They do not give a flying f~~~ about what you want, it is all about them looking good in the eyes of their sisters. They basque in the reflected glory of that $20,000 kitchen or the fancy car or the big house because all these things say to her sisters “Look everyone, this is what I am worth”.

“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”

[AttonParticipant]

We then switch to another topic. Interestingly enough, not even the women in the group tried to say anything about it.

“oh f~~~ they are on to us someone help me”

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

It’s such bulls~~~, man. They say this like men don’t give women their time and love and all that. The main difference being that for women, it’s enough to say that s~~~ and it helps when there are some white knights and manginas to back it all up. Men are expected to give all that a woman will and more. If you don’t then you’re a cheapskate or loser. Meanwhile these bitches are getting free s~~~ all the time and you’ve got to pay for it all. It’s a s~~~ty f~~~ing deal, and men are wising up to it.

Women refuse to admit any of their benefits and talk with semantics and s~~~ like that. Like you said :INTANGIBLE really is the best word for it.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Spacemonkey wrote:

And that is, in a nutshell why wimin are never happy with what they have, they are vane. Their vanity drives them to constantly want more or better and it is all about improving their status with other wimin. They do not give a flying f~~~ about what you want, it is all about them looking good in the eyes of their sisters. They basque in the reflected glory of that $20,000 kitchen or the fancy car or the big house because all these things say to her sisters “Look everyone, this is what I am worth”.

Bingo. Women don’t care about you at all. They are out to impress other women, “Look at me. I’m worth more than you are.”
Excellent point- we give women tangible assets- cars, diamonds. houses etc. They give us intangible crap not worth a dime. They do give us other intangibles- stress, high blood pressure, ulcers among them.
I also laughed when some bitch said, “women will make you a better person.” Should have been, “women will make you a deader person.”

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

ps- every time I’m around women for long, I tend to walk away with fewer tangible assets and this is despite me being MGTOW. One reason why I try to avoid them.

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Keymaster wrote:

Jackinov wrote:

she’ll make you a better person

Thanks for the laugh. That’s a good one. How the f~~~ did you not double over laughing?’

WEDDING = AISLE……. ALTAR……. HYMN.

AISLE………. ALTAR……. HYMN.

“I’ll alter him.”

No woman EVER made a man a “better person”. Ever.

I’m not sure actually. But the main key I’ve realized is speaking as if what their saying is totally ridiculous (as it is). That seems the take the wind out of their sails when you aren’t being “defensive”. A little smile while saying it makes their faces turn red, and they get slightly embarrassed. It’s all in how you set up their little social game, which is so easy to win it’s not funny.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[narwhalParticipant]

From a recent conversation I’ve had around this topic, I discovered something that took me by surprise, although I really should have figured this out already. In terms of what you get and what she gets, monetary/physical things are not included in the calculation…not in the woman’s mind anyway. In other words, thinking about what you get and what she gets, she sees it as you get the ‘better person, companion, love” thing, and she only gets exactly the same ‘better person, companion, love” thing. When she thinks about how much you love her, she does not see the money, house, car, ring, etc. You don’t get credit for that in her mind.

The response I got was “The money comes with the man, as if we’re his head or arm”. It’s liking having a good income is no different then her having good boobs. In her head, both are part of the package, and not really something your spouse actually can give to you as sign of their love. It is just what they are.

The justification comes with the fact that she can’t change your income, just like she can’t change her boobs (surgery aside). And you naturally make more then her because of male privilege, so it’s really a zero sum in her head. It’s not her fault the world doesn’t pay women enough. Plus she’s bearing the children! You aren’t doing that. And although you should help out with taking care of the house and kids, she ultimately gets the credit and she’s more then pulling her weight here. Translation, she deserves and earned the money she’s gaining though marriage…in her head.

So then when she starts thinking about divorce and asks herself whether she’s been loved properly, she doesn’t see the money. You didn’t give that to her, she earned it by playing her role as wife and mother! She just looks at the better person, companionship aspects. If she isn’t a better person, it’s your fault! If you aren’t so fun to be around anymore, then she needs to find someone who is. Chances are she won’t realize that she didn’t make you a better person or was a good companion. That wouldn’t be her fault though, because in that scenario, the two of you just grew a part. It just happens….fate…out of her control.

It’s all bunk. Manipulation. Money you give to her, or anyone, is
love…because of the simple fact that you didn’t have to give it, you chose to. You cannot manipulate that away.

Just say no.

Ok. Then do it.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Marriage? Dating? Long Term Relationship? ?
What is in it for me???
Had a similar conversation at work years ago. One of the guys who was a father of two or three said “Well I get laid so that makes up for it all” Last time I saw him he was homeless.
The sooner men take off their blinders and see the truth that women are a hassle and a hazard, the better off the world will be. .

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

I suspect that a lot of this has something to do with human evolution.
Women expect to exchange sex ,companionship ,affection and giving birth to children for financial support, provision protection. Meanwhile expecting everything else except giving birth from the man.
Women will continue to do this until enough men say enough is enough.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Jackinov, that was a great story. And you really did nail down the exact point MGTOW are making. We get nothing out of relationships. It is all give and no reward.

[hellraiderParticipant 2837]

You get a lot of pain in the ass and maybe once a month bad sex as a conditioning tool.

F~~~ that s~~~.

Did you noticed how the male friends shut up about it?
They’re afraid of scaring women off.

Just ignore them.

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Narwhal, I’ve heard a TON of women use the “I gave the best years of my life to him” as an excuse for why they “deserve” half the s~~~ they didn’t work for.

Yep Faust, they can’t argue with their own bulls~~~.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

“Oh, she’ll make you a better person,”.

I’m sure Robin Williams thought the same thing.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Jackinov wrote:

I response, “Now, you notice everything you’ve just said is INTANGIBLE.

It’s worse than that. All those “lovely intangibles” are things she should already be giving to you. Also you are giving her the exact same intangibles right back. And you don’t need to be married to exchange these intangibles.

Now if she’s not giving you those intangibles already, but has made them contingent on getting a ring etc., well we have a word for women like that. It starts with a ‘W’ and ends with an ‘E’, but it’s not wife.

Men have nothing to gain from marriage any more, and everything to lose. Moreover, if a woman wants to marry a man it’s not because she wants him. She already has him. She wants to marry him so she can get his stuff.

Now who is being materialistic?

Jackinov wrote:

I’ve heard a TON of women use the “I gave the best years of my life to him” as an excuse for why they “deserve” half the s~~~ they didn’t work for.

Notice how they completely ignore the fact that he gave the best years of his life right back to her?

[GrumpyParticipant]

You get:
the honour of paying for everything. one way or another you WILL pay
the honour of taking full responsibility for everything bad that happens
being her emotional tampon
being at her beck and call and her personal abuse toy
<sarcasm on>
What more could a man want?
Sign me up for more of that s~~~, I aint dead yet…..
<sarcasm off>
F~~~ that…
a half starved, rabid grizzly bear seems like a better choice. At least that will kill you quick

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

you get to say “yes dear” for the rest of your marriage
and yeah – consider yourself lucky for getting out alive and getting a fresh start

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

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