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I would like to come up with a list of reasons why they say a man marrying is supposed to be the ideal thing to do, so I can know the seduction points. I have never been married, so I don’t get it. As I am seeing it, this is a list that can be put out there:
* You will have kids who will love you and look after you when it comes to retire: Of course, there is no guarantee of this happening at all, right down to them saying, “Daddy!” and running to give you a big hug when you were away awhile. In this day and age, they likely could turn up to hate you completely.
* Sex on a regular basis: Err, only if she wants it. Dozens of reasons why she wouldn’t do this, and also she may let herself go to the extent you don’t want to. Or turn into such a horrible person you can’t stand being around her. Factor in aging also.
* Tax advantages: This can be argued to be true.
* Someone to take care of you when you get sick: This presumes that you will have a decent enough relationship.
* She will adore you, love you, think you are awesome, stroke your ego, etc…: In short, you get a cheerleader… maybe. Of course, there is the equal chance she may end up being the opposite of a cheerleader.
* She will cook and clean for you and do the laundry: Maybe. But considering the state of the economy and need for two incomes, odds are she will be working and won’t have time for that.
* You will be seen as a responsible adult: That is, BY STRANGERS, who don’t care about you existing. Maybe for politicians, but do most people really care?
* You will have someone who will keep you warm at night and make you no longer lonely: That is presuming the relationship doesn’t go south. And you can end up also lose the ability to go out and spend time with friends.
* You will have someone you can always chat with, who will listen: Maybe. I don’t know if one can promise that. You very likely will also get someone who will argue with you all the time.
* Health benefits: Presuming your wife isn’t hell to live with.
* Two incomes: Maybe. But only an advantage if the wife isn’t a spendthrift, and you coordinate and are willing to work things out. Maybe… One can say economic advantages, which might be true.
Did I miss any here? I am curious to hear them, and the reasons why they wouldn’t be true, if I missed any.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I have a funny feeling this list will grow somewhat ☺
I would just take my wedding vows and 180 them.
Love ..no …Honour …. no …. respect … no etc etc
Hell in the end she would even buy the wrong coffee just to p~~~ me off 😀
I have a funny feeling this list will grow somewhat
I would just take my wedding vows and 180 them. Love ..no …Honour …. no …. respect … no etc etc Hell in the end she would even buy the wrong coffee just to p~~~ me off 
I don’t get to see what they are, so I am curious. I have a feeling they may be subsets of what I already said though. But I hope people can list others. Maybe getting this worked on more, can be a resource to help guys who never married to not fall for a trap.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
for me it was “through sickness and health” bit… but in the end it turned out to be a lie
I hoped to get someone on my team – a part of my family. She sat on the bench all time and started playing for herself on the side, so I had to release her. But I knew ahead of time what I was signing up for. I am a risk-taker I guess. But these losses I took was really a blessing in disguise. I can’t have a team player on the bench like that.proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome
You will have kids
One third of which, minimum, aren’t actually yours, statistically speaking.
Sex on a regular basis
Regular is not the same thing as often. Once every decade is regular. So is once every century. Halley’s Comet is regular, but when was the last time you saw that?
Tax advantages
What you save on taxes will only be wasted on buying s~~~ for her. And then some. GYOW is money ahead even after taxes.
Someone to take care of you when you get sick
Or bump you off for the insurance money as like. I know of a number of women who divorced their newly disabled husbands rather than abide by that whole inconvenient “in sickness and in health” promise they made.
You will be seen as a responsible adult
If modern commercials and sitcoms are anything to go by, you will be seen by the population at large as an enormous SCHMUCK.
You will have someone who will keep you warm at night and make you no longer lonely
A dog is cheaper. And loves going out with your friends. And waits expectantly for you to get back home, tail wagging.
Two incomes
Both of which go to her. Your income is “ours” (read: hers). Her income is hers.
By all means, marry. If you get a good wife, you’ll become happy; if you get a bad one, you’ll become a philosopher.
–SocratesI figure the odds as 95% you will get a bad one. Too bad most philosophers are so boring.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Lies.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
This is why you don’t get married… if you marry a woman from just about any western country, and you make it possible for her to quit her job, while agreeing to pay all her share of the bills, finance for her a lifestyle that includes living abroad, staying home with kids, running a business without profit (aka hobby)… After you have done all these things for her, she will say that you OWE HER for making that sacrifice FOR YOU, and making it possible for you to be SUCCESSFUL.
This is as simple and as clear and obvious as I’ve ever seen it demonstrated. If you are a man, no matter what you do or how much they get from you, YOU STILL OWE THEM. You owe them for agreeing to marry you, and this debt can never be paid off. If they divorce you, you still owe them for having been married to you, and this debt can never be paid off.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lynn-morrison/i-gave-up-a-six-figure-salary-for-my-husband-how-is-that-a-bonus_b_7486130.html?1433341373=&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
Funny how the first sentence in this article reads.. and I quote “I made my husband’s dreams possible.”
I personally think she has lost her rabid ass mind. Selfishness is the first thing I notice. The first word she starts with is akin to “ME”. As if her husband isn’t an individual and did absolutely nothing to deserve the success he obtained. I am quite sure she thinks otherwise. In her mind, she owns his success.
“His ability to “have it all” is built on the back of my sacrifice. We chose to move to a place that allowed his career to blossom and mine to stagnate.”
Sounds to me like moving to a location that provides ample opportunity for growth is a smart move any rational adult would make. It doesn’t necessarily mean that she should take the credit for “presenting” him with the opportunity. GTFOH.
“We chose to have a family, a decision that ended up impeding my ability to find a job.”
As if the ability to have children solely was his decision. As if having children meant that she couldn’t work AT ALL…
I could go on and on.. but honestly gents, to sum it up, it sounds to me like ” My s~~~ doesn’t stink. My husband OWES his success to me, as he would of never gotten their had I not existed.. What’s his is mine, what’s mine is mine…”
It’s just a disgusting article. Filled with perspective imposed by self-ingratiating woman. Seriously makes me start to wonder what purpose they serve at all…
Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...
I believed in all those things. After some life changing experiences with women you learn fast that all those things will be polar opposites. We are born alone and we’ll all die alone. All those things are manipulation tactics to shame men into miserable marriage.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lynn-morrison/i-gave-up-a-six-figure-salary-for-my-husband-how-is-that-a-bonus_b_7486130.html?1433341373=&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
Another woman ripping off some poor man with the biggest sham ever MARRIAGE, but as usual she’s justifying it with some victim charade.
"The wounds of honor are self inflicted"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lynn-morrison/i-gave-up-a-six-figure-salary-for-my-husband-how-is-that-a-bonus_b_7486130.html?1433341373=&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063 This is why you don’t get married… if you marry a woman from just about any western country, and you make it possible for her to quit her job, while agreeing to pay all her share of the bills, finance for her a lifestyle that includes living abroad, staying home with kids, running a business without profit (aka hobby)… After you have done all these things for her, she will say that you OWE HER for making that sacrifice FOR YOU, and making it possible for you to be SUCCESSFUL. This is as simple and as clear and obvious as I’ve ever seen it demonstrated. If you are a man, no matter what you do or how much they get from you, YOU STILL OWE THEM. You owe them for agreeing to marry you, and this debt can never be paid off. If they divorce you, you still owe them for having been married to you, and this debt can never be paid off.
She was making six figures and dropped it to stay home? I would assume he was making as much. The financial advantages, as I heard it, is both the man and the woman work, and don’t have kids. But, apparently she must of wanted to start the family, so that advantage goes out the window.
If money is THAT important to you, and not the life you share with him, and that, that you demand SOME money for it, you should of never had the kids and quit the job market.
The harsh economic reality, as I see it, is that there is really not any economic advantages normally for having a family. There are tax advantages for having a family, because the government knows that the natural course itself will not make it an advantage. People see how much of a disadvantage having kids is, but there is a collective concern that not having this can harm the future, so they try to tilt people to have marriages, and make a divorce as hell as possible. It is something dumped on the back of individuals in society.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I read somewhere recently that something like 85-95% of the consumer spending decisions in the US are made by women. No one, particularly no feminist, disputes this much. Perhaps because this gives them and their preferences/choices enormous weight and power. Yet, they will complain all the time about how women only earn 70 or 80 cents (or whatever the victim du jour number is these days) for every dollar a man earns.
So how is it then, that a gender that earns less than half of what the other gender earns, has such an enormously greater share of what those earnings are spent on? My answer is: wealth transfer. If you can control where and on what the money gets spent, you can skip the effort and risk it actually takes to earn it.
From my perspective as a wealth generator and earner, it seems that wealth transfer is important for the economy because the more money gets spent, and the faster it gets spent, the better for the overall economy. But in order for that to happen, money has to be transferred into the hands of those who will spend it the fastest. Those persons who actually have to make the effort to earn it are less likely to spend it as fast as they can, not only because they are busy earning it, but because knowing personally the effort it takes to replace it once it’s gone, those people are more likely to hesitate when spending it.
Wealth transfer happens via marriage, and via taxes. If you are married, she already owns half your income as soon as you earn it under community property laws. If there is any doubt over the ownership and control of that money, she can have the government enforce her ownership rights over it. If you are not married, but get her pregnant, the same government will conduct a very similar wealth transfer of whatever you are capable of generating. If you get her pregnant and have no ability to generate that wealth to transfer, you can easily be jailed for it (one of the only debts for which this is true). If you generate wealth, but never marry or get anyone pregnant, the same government will impose taxes on you which will then be redistributed to single mothers who made crapy, irresponsible reproductive decisions with all their empowered reproductive rights. Being unable and/or unwilling to earn the money to meet the financial expenses that result from those decisions, they will turn to the government to extract and transfer that wealth from a wide collection of earning men.
And if you are a man who has never married, never gotten any woman pregnant, and never promised anyone anything… but refuse to have your earned wealth transferred by either failing or refusing to pay those taxes: you will quickly discover the other debt for which you can be jailed for non-payment.
You will serve time in jail for refusal to pay money (though taxes) to women you do not owe, and have never even met.
Pay them or be attacked, shamed, or jailed.
THAT’S HOW DEEP THE RABBIT HOLE GOES…
Given these institutionalized mechanisms to exploit men and forcibly transfer their earned income to women on an industrial scale, is it any wonder then that women born into and growing up among these institutions come to feel entitled to that transfer as adults?
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Funny how the first sentence in this article reads.. and I quote “I made my husband’s dreams possible.”
Which is bulls~~~. She didn’t make anything possible. Her husband made his dreams possible, and like as not would be better off today without her. She merely DIDN’T GET IN HIS WAY.
Women actually believe they should get special rewards for not interfering and meddling with men.
From my perspective as a wealth generator and earner, it seems that wealth transfer is important for the economy because the more money gets spent, and the faster it gets spent, the better for the overall economy.
Only in the sense that methamphetamines are better for getting things done.
Sure it’s mildly stimulating at first, but it doesn’t stop there. Soon the economy becomes dependent on it, and like any addiction that need only grows and grows. Inevitably it becomes unsustainable, and the withdrawal crash is a bitch.
Punishing the productive and rewarding the unproductive is NEVER good for the economy in the long term.
agreed sidecar,
I believe that explains at least some of the bias in favor of women in the courts, tax, insurance systems etc. The system is dependent on (addicted to) mindless, maximized spending… No better way to do that than to put the money in the hands of children masquerading as adults who never had to work for it. But also agree that this is unsustainable.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
agreed sidecar, I believe that explains at least some of the bias in favor of women in the courts, tax, insurance systems etc. The system is dependent on (addicted to) mindless, maximized spending… No better way to do that than to put the money in the hands of children masquerading as adults who never had to work for it. But also agree that this is unsustainable.
The Herbivores in Japan are apparently breaking the cycle, and the economists are freaking out. Apparently they live much more modestly and not into a spending power trip, just seeking to live more modestly and do what fits them. And there is complaints about the birth rate declining.
I always thought, in the mall, people with money become 5 year olds and the impulse is to drive spending out of them.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
She was making six figures and dropped it to stay home? I would assume he was making as much. The financial advantages, as I heard it, is both the man and the woman work, and don’t have kids. But, apparently she must of wanted to start the family, so that advantage goes out the window. If money is THAT important to you, and not the life you share with him, and that, that you demand SOME money for it, you should of never had the kids and quit the job market.
Bro, when you say it like that, I think a fair way of putting it is she simply wanted to maintain that same level of income without the work. What better way than to “…start a family. ” and leave right?
So how is it then, that a gender that earns less than half of what the other gender earns, has such an enormously greater share of what those earnings are spent on? My answer is: wealth transfer. If you can control where and on what the money gets spent, you can skip the effort and risk it actually takes to earn it.
That, my clever friend, is a truly terrifying assessment.
From my perspective as a wealth generator and earner, it seems that wealth transfer is important for the economy because the more money gets spent, and the faster it gets spent, the better for the overall economy. But in order for that to happen, money has to be transferred into the hands of those who will spend it the fastest. Those persons who actually have to make the effort to earn it are less likely to spend it as fast as they can, not only because they are busy earning it, but because knowing personally the effort it takes to replace it once it’s gone, those people are more likely to hesitate when spending it. Wealth transfer happens via marriage, and via taxes.
Yeah, that does make perfect sense. To piggy-back off that idea, albeit I have no real statistical information to support it, I would normally think that the average family wealth transfer happens from one generation to the next. As in parent’s passing and leaving their children an inheritance. However, with woman being the majority spenders, it does indeed serve a means to accelerate funds going back into the economy rather sooner than later.
Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...
She was making six figures and dropped it to stay home? I would assume he was making as much. The financial advantages, as I heard it, is both the man and the woman work, and don’t have kids. But, apparently she must of wanted to start the family, so that advantage goes out the window. If money is THAT important to you, and not the life you share with him, and that, that you demand SOME money for it, you should of never had the kids and quit the job market.
Bro, when you say it like that, I think a fair way of putting it is she simply wanted to maintain that same level of income without the work. What better way than to “…start a family. ” and leave right?
I am wondering how anyone making six figures can be that poor at doing math. But who am I to judge? Maybe math works differently when you are married. I have never been married, so what do I know?. 😛
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I grew up with a stay at home mom…the mind set they have these days is totally f~~~ed up. Her typical day for the better part of 20 years of being a stay at home mom consisted of getting up at 6:30, getting the kids off to school…free from like 7:30-3, sometime between 3-5:30 make dinner so it was ready at 5:30 when my dad got home(who probably averaged 60 hours a week during that 20 year period), then from like 6 til bed time bitch about how hard she had it. Like literally…2-3 hours of work a day tops.
I wonder what it would look like if the husband wrote an article about his 6 figure earning wife who turned into a lazy blob soon as they got married and he was financially trapped with a kid.
Having been there, I cannot think of a single thing about marriage that is great. I get the impression that most men kind of fall into it and eventually give in due to pressure put on them by society and their girlfriends. The men just assume everything will be OK and don’t give a single thought to what will happen if things go wrong.
So you are signing a contract where every single clause is in the favor of the other person. People don’t seem to understand that marriage is a contract wrapped up in some pseudo religious/traditional rubbish. That contract has a greater than 50% chance of biting you on the arse at some point in the future.
So you are already on to a bad deal. You are essentially tying yourself up to a terrible contract and getting absolutely nothing in return. Infact, I can guarantee that your life and relationship will get a lot worse once that ring is on her finger and you will have no way to escape. You will actually have to take it and try your hardest to keep her happy as you will get bum raped in the marital courts if you want to leave. Once she gets bored and wants to get back on the C~~~ Carousel you will also get bum raped in the marital courts.
She will change, you will get to see what she is really like once she is married. The sex will be severely rationed, it will now be used as a bargaining tool to get you to do whatever she wants.
I am actually starting to feel sick just thinking about it again, I just wish all of these guys queueing up to get married had the knowledge I now have.
For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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