What a conundrum…

[MechanizedParticipant 1]

So, I’ve pretty much given up on women. Not getting laid of course, but relationships. I’ve never gotten anything from a relationship other than experience and lessons learned, and I consider myself a pretty smart and positive guy for being able to say that. Most people would just say they never got anything but heartache, lol. Every single one of them left me miserable though. I don’t see the point anymore of getting serious with a woman. It always ends up with her expectations p~~~ing me off. Every woman has them, her fantasies of what her life is supposed to be like… usually resembling some BS she saw on TV.

The problem for me is that I actually respect women. I refuse to use them for sex. I let everyone know that I am not looking for anything serious and of course when she hears I won’t be spending my life with her, she disappears.

Have women always been this stupid? So against living in the moment and enjoying life? Or, is it just our culture that has given them all this princess fairy tail way of thinking?

If there is anywhere in the world where women don’t act like this, or can enjoy and non serious relationship, let me know! 🙂

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I think this stems from having too many expectations from women. And no, I am not talking about expecting her to be a victoria’s secret model….. or a terrific chef. Hell no. I’m talking about –>> no matter how low you lower the floor of expectation for women, you can always count on her to fall below it. That means, even when you don’t expect ANYTHING, she will still find a way to disappoint you. Perhaps with being irresponsible about getting back… being a complete flake……. not having any desire to get off her ass an DO anything… electing you to always entertain her….. while she does nothing but expecting you to do more of it.

I mean, you could be out with a chick, cruising around with the top down and NOTHING IS WRONG.
The birds are shining. The sun is singing. The whether is perfect….
and you just KNOW your woman will still manage to RUIN a day like that.

Never mind expecting her to make it “wonderful” or “even better”….
No. She will take a perfectly fine & normal day when you are perfectly content – and f~~~ing RUIN it.

When they are so good at causing drama and create fights from nothing , whocould ever expect her to ADD any value? You’re not alone, man. Married men will tell you exactly the same s~~~. But even more importantly, only women look for relationships that are “SERIOUS”. I actually tell women this whenever they mention the word “serious”.

WHO THE F~~~ WANTS A “SERIOUS” RELATIONSHIP??

The only kind of relationship worth having is a FUN relationship.
And I had better be having fun ALL THE TIME or there is no point in having it.
Let women have (and chase) their goddam “serious” relationships. You got better s~~~ to do.

Best part is, you can say this right to her face.

“Honey, get the f~~~ out of my face with that s~~~.
You want a “serious relationship”? There’s the door.
Now go get yourself “serious relationship”, and when you find it…
I will be the first to offer my condolences. You take care now. And good luck.”.

YES women have always been like this. That’s why writings of Schopenhauer and scripts from films like “My Fair Lady” (written 100 years after Schopenhauer and 420 years after Shakespeare’s “Taming of the Shrew”) all coincide, and ARE exactly the same story. It’s fascinating really. It even transcends centuries no matter how “advanced” we become. F~~~ taming a shrew. Get out of my life if you’re going to be a drag to be around and are not adding any value.

Its’ time for men to say that s~~~. LOUDLY.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TheBardParticipant 974]

Well would say getting some experience or a lesson learned is a positive things to gain from a relationship. As much as I wish I never wasted my time on my second girlfriend at least by dating her I realized to avoid those kind of women and not make the same mistakes such as if she says I love you 4 day in don’t say it back to be nice and instead just run lol. To me a serious relationship means that you plan on staying together for life or at least for a long time. Also I take it to mean you will only have sex with each other and maybe have children together. For guys like us who have given up on women and don’t use women for sex it seems to be harder to find any type of meaningful relationship, but just because it is more difficult for us doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with our choice. Where are all these women you find who don’t want a serious relationship? The only women I seem to find just want to sleep around with douche bags or rich guys lol.

If anything our culture has given women this sense of entitlement that “since women were treated bad in the past you are owed everything now and if a man doesn’t approve he hates women” By our culture giving them this sense that they can do no wrong and or if they do it is mans fault they feel as if they can be picky, bitchy, annoying, or have unrealistic expectations and it is ok. I have learned to no longer be surprised by womens stupidity and just laugh at it. What else can you say about a gender who will complain about not having a nice guy, find a nice guy but not date him, date some loser who treats her bad, and still stays with him because she thinks she can fix him. I think women have realized now with right more or less the same as a man and so many men being pathetic and doing anything for pussy that they as women can be controlling and do what they want. Why commit to any guy or loyal when as a woman they can be using many guys to get stuff. If they are tied down to someone what happens when that guy with more money and a nicer car comes around around? Nothing wrong with having that fairytale standard of life because all it will take is a rich guy and letting him have her pussy to get that fancy life style. As for women in your case wanting some serious perhaps they don’t have much confidence in themselves or perhaps they had a bad family life growing up and want that family of their own to feel important. I have no problem setting down and staying with one women, but my second girlfriend was the type of girl I just described, but I had to leave since she didn’t care she was tying to force the relationship to make it work. As for any part of the world where women don’t act like that I can say European women aren’t a pain in the ass like American ones, but I think no matter where you go in the world women are going to act like that to some degree.

I mean, you could be out with a chick, cruising around with the top down and NOTHING IS WRONG.
The birds are shining. The sun is singing. The whether is perfect….
and you just KNOW your woman will still manage to RUIN a day like that.

Haha that is so true. On my second girlfriend birthday we had a great day playing games during her party and than going out to sushi with her friend and her boyfriend. Then my mom text me asking if I knew what time I might be home and she flipped her shirt and started yelling at me because it was her birthday and I got a text lol.

[GoneSoloParticipant 119]

Hey guys! great comments. i can’t tell you how many times that happens but also with female friends.
“Hey want to go to a movie?” followed by “ok but no sex”. F~~~ off! lol

[TheBardParticipant 974]

The funny thing is women complain about always being hit on and guys just not wanting to be simple friends with them, only when that happens the women themselves bring up the sex aspect lol.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Oh yeah, the chicks who *complain* about being hit on, are exactly the ones who would wonder “how come guys aren’t hitting on me?” as soon as you stop giving a s~~~ about her and pay attention to another one. They are the worst.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TheBardParticipant 974]

Isn’t that how all women are lol.

[MechanizedParticipant 1]

Yeah, I suppose it is part of a female’s nature to want a “serious” relationship… They are the weaker of the two genders and its probably natural for them to want a protector around for life. Even though this mentality is completely pointless in this day in age when we aren’t walking around with spears, hunting for food. This also makes for a nasty combination when coupled with our goofy culture that feeds into this mentality, supports it, then at the same bolsters their confidence in an aggressive manner, letting them think it is ok to act out like a fool and treat men like trash.

Understanding it though doesn’t make the situation better! I suppose we are doing the best thing though, standing up for ourselves and living life the way we want. I know that I am definitely never letting a female bring me down again.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Oh I know they don’t actually mean “serious”. But that’s what it becomes. A serious drag, to the point where when I get a girlfriend, I kinda can’t wait to get rid of her. Seriously. When I don’t have one, I think “hey it feels like something is missing”….. and then when I get one, I think “WTF was I thinking!!”.

Besides, just because she WANTS a “serious” relationship…. doesn’t mean she takes it seriously. After all, a “relationship” is just a situation she imagined in her head, where she expects some unmarried guy to NOT bang other chicks and pay for everything. What idiot would sign up for that? So when I hear a chick use the word “serious” to describe it, I just can’t take her seriously.

Gratz on your declaration about not letting a chick bring you down again.
They are really good at that.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TheBardParticipant 974]

I think to a lot of women a relationship is a situation where they have a guy who they can get a lot out of such as money and a nice place to live, while having the ability to control him with their vagina and other lady parts.

[DmitryiParticipant 9]

The older I get, the more they are in a “hurry”. They dont let it evolve naturally. A date is now like being on a job interview like they are sizing any dude up for the wedding. Casually met this girl (28) for drinks and she was asking me questions about what being married would be like. What do I think of this and how would I handle that. F~~~ I just got off work and want to chillax for an hour in my happy place with a pint of brew and she’s giving me the third degree and when she doesn’t get exactly the answer she wanted to hear it’s like “over” K thanks bye. WTF? Psycho.

[TheBardParticipant 974]

Women are in a hurry the older they get because they realize their looks are starting to go the older they get and the older they get the harder it is to use their looks to get things from men lol.

[VileNordParticipant 766]

@dmitryi

There is a mind-numbingly small percentage of women in this world who can think in the abstract like men can. This is why girls out perform boys at basic arithmetic yet fall disastrously behind in trigonometry (in the aggregate). Men are always asking each other what if questions like “would you suck a dick for a million dollars?” but women don’t operate in the abstract like we do.

So this girl you met for drinks was trying to extract concrete answers about your stance on marriage, yet doing it in the guise of an abstract question? No wonder she didn’t like the answers she got!

Lust for comfort suffocates the soul

[DmitryiParticipant 9]

@vilenord & @mechanized Thank you for your reply and mentioning abstract thought. Yeah Id agree female brains are not capable of it because they always think they are the example. That’s where “NAWALT” comes from I’d guess. I understand the clock they have which we don’t but it gets to be a real drag when you’re one or two weeks in and she’s already looking to get a key to my place and talking about s~~~ I won’t even conceptualize until I meet the right chick, which will never at this rate. The stupid questions like I’m being interrogated! It’s supposed to be a “date” bitch. You know, fun? and they are experts at ruining it getting all serious before the appetizers arrive.

When Mechanized said

If there is anywhere in the world where women don’t act like this, or can enjoy and non serious relationship, let me know!

Im thinking this dude read my mind.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

“After all, a “relationship” is just a situation she imagined in her head, where she expects some unmarried guy to NOT bang other chicks and pay for everything.”

I don’t have a problem spending money on a woman if I can afford it but if that’s all she cares about no. If she expects me to spend money on her, that’s a no. I don’t like dating materialistic women since I’m not myself.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Some of this behavior is based on her age. Before age 25, most women have a social circle of other girls for friends and at that age, most of her circle are single. They may compare notes on guys they are dating, but likely none of them is married. Then, they enter into that period between 25 and 30 when they circle starts to marry off. The first to get married has all the others in her wedding as bridesmaids. Now, the remaining single ones want to make sure they marry someone with at least as much money, looks, whatever-hell-else etc… as the guy that the first girl married. You can be certain that no detail of the first groom’s life is private from ‘the circle’ who will review, dissect and compare. None of them wants to be the last girl to get married, unless she can be sure that she’s made ‘a catch’ that somehow improves on the others. They are bitchy to each other that way, even among friends…comparing hair, clothes, and boyfriends…especially boyfriends. None of them want to settle, but each of them is trying to meet that benchmark set by the first girl. After that first wedding, every date any of the other girls in ‘the circle’ goes out on is an audition for comparison to whoever that first girl married.
But it’s sort of a game of musical chairs. Holdout for as long as you can to make sure you don’t panic and settle early…but wait too long and all the ‘good ones’ might be taken and you’ll have to settle anyway. At age 28, this girl has got one or two friends that are married and have set the benchmark. They may be hotter and have more to offer than her and may have married guys with more to offer than she should expect, but each of them has been trained to believe she’s a princess and should expect the whole world because when it comes to guys: the more you demand, the more you get, right?

This is the neurotic s~~~-storm going on in their heads when they’re that age… I don’t miss dating in that period. Their whole foundation of relationships is based on who their girlfriends are dating/marrying and what their best guess is about the proper balance between holding out for more vs taking someone now before ‘all the good ones are taken’… NONE of their focus ever drifts toward improving what they might bring to the table.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Oh yeah, the chicks who *complain* about being hit on, are exactly the ones who would wonder “how come guys aren’t hitting on me?” as soon as you stop giving a s~~~ about her and pay attention to another one.

Lol. There’s a chick I’ve been sniffing around after for a while and she made it clear (after we’d made out a few times and I went in for the close) that she just wants to be friends. Okay, fine. So I cut her off physically and started calling her “dude” and talking about other women I was interested in and such.

Of course that infuriated her and she started flirting with me again and wanting to come around for drinks late at night. Obviously she just wants the attention but if I were to give it to her, she’d be angry at me for trying to f~~~ her. That’s how it works.

Another one was giving it up for quite some time then decided she needed to have a “relationship” in order to keep doing it. So I’m supposed to give up my freedom to keep getting what I’ve already been getting? That’s absurd.

If a female wants you she’ll give it up right away. As soon she starts playing games and making demands, however, you’re done and you should just cut them and move on.

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