WGTOW is here

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

OK, It’s satire. Let’s agree that it’s satire. Satire takes time and effort to produce, and its purpose is to illustrate a point of some value to its producer.

Setting aside for a minute the content, back away and ask yourself these questions:

By whom is it intended to be seen? What goal, exactly, is this video intended to achieve? What is the intended payoff for the effort that was invested to make it?

It might aspire to cause men not to take the idea of mgtow seriously. But if men really are flawed and useless, why would this woman care enough about the departure of flawed useless men to make a video that might get them to hesitate making that withdrawal?

It might have been made for the derision of men who’ve already made that decision and are putting this idea into practice. The message being that if you make that decision, you’re a joke target. That would make it a variation on the same old theme of trying to shame you back on to the plantation.

It might also be to reassure women that men who are abandoning them are not to be taken as a serious concern. But if this is the reason why it was made, the same question persists: why is it worthy of the effort to make a video reassuring women that the departure of flawed useless toxic men is not a great concern to the women who are being abandoned?

Based on what I can see and hear, here’s my theory about the woman who made this video: She is not among the top 20% of the most attractive women out there. Those women assume that there will always be a man for them. (They are correct in that assumption, at least for now). Those women do not care about the departure of men at rates of anything less than 80% of the male population. Because as long as at least 20% of the male population is still willing to pursue and sacrifice for a woman, each of those top tier women assumes she will have at least one of those men. You never see those centerfold-worthy women making videos showing any concern about the idea of mgtow one way or the other.

She is also not among the bottom 20% of the least attractive women out there. She is not in that group with the Trigglypuff we saw here recently. As far as those bottom 20% women are concerned, 100% of men went mgtow from them a long time ago, and no video is going to get any of them back. They aren’t making videos addressing the idea of mgtow because the effort invested could not hope to achieve anything for them. Eating right, dressing well, exercising, sobriety, a hair color that actually occurs in nature and taking some responsibility for themselves might improve their odds, but these things require discipline, responsibility and an aknowledgment that a man is worth this effort. Feminism killed that idea off a long time ago.

This woman is somewhere in between the top and bottom 20%. She has not made that effort of eating well, exercising etc, and is old enough to have had sufficient experience with male attention (or lack thereof) to make her aware of her place in the mating equation. Like most women, she probably is harder on herself about her looks than is fair, and has likely taken criticism for it from other women. Given that knowledge, and that bias, she can believe that she might have a shot at a man committing to produce for her, but that man is in no way guaranteed. The men willing to commit to that enormous liability may be out there for her, but she knows from experience that they are not present in large quantity. And, they are not beating down her door.

For this woman, her chances of finding that committed male producer are precarious at best, and dependent upon every possible available male being maximally motivated to have a source of reliable sex with at least one woman, and at any cost or risk to himself. Given her position in that equation, EVERY man counts. In that equation, if a video like this inspires even one man not to go mgtow, her chances are improved.

In that equation, a video like this one might seem to be worth the effort for her to make. After all, what does she have to lose by making it? It’s unlikely she turned down a date with a millionaire in order to free up time on her schedule to make this video. But unfortunately for her, in order for that video to do her any good, its intended target (me) must still have an open mind to its message of encouragement to abandon the idea of mgtow.

My mind considers this video, understands its intended message, and then compares it to the real life experiences I’ve had and personally witnessed around me. Having considered both options, it’s still a very easy decision for me to make.

So my decision is the same: Make all the videos you want, ma’am. I’m no longer part of the equation you are trying to influence.

Satire or not, I have respectfully withdrawn.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[OhnoParticipant 668]

OldBill wrote:

Really? None of you can recognize satire? Really?

There is a difference between satire and should better be satire.
You see this video as satire and if you or lets say keymaster was the producer of this video, I myself would say that this is a great satire…but it doesnt look to be meant as satire.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

OldBill wrote:

Really? None of you can recognize satire? Really?

Poe’s law.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[Anonymous 22]

Women are not going their own way. They need so much attention from men.

I wish the bitter hags were going their own way so that we wouldn’t have to deal with their inappropriate behavior.

[EtrangereParticipant 706]

I have been EXTREMELY busy , is this some sort of joke? If not I’m laughing my ass off at it.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

BrainPilot wrote:

OK, It’s satire. Let’s agree that it’s satire. Satire takes time and effort to produce, and its purpose is to illustrate a point of some value to its producer.

Setting aside for a minute the content, back away and ask yourself these questions:

By whom is it intended to be seen? What goal, exactly, is this video intended to achieve? What is the intended payoff for the effort that was invested to make it?

It might aspire to cause men not to take the idea of mgtow seriously. But if men really are flawed and useless, why would this woman care enough about the departure of flawed useless men to make a video that might get them to hesitate making that withdrawal?

It might have been made for the derision of men who’ve already made that decision and are putting this idea into practice. The message being that if you make that decision, you’re a joke target. That would make it a variation on the same old theme of trying to shame you back on to the plantation.

It might also be to reassure women that men who are abandoning them are not to be taken as a serious concern. But if this is the reason why it was made, the same question persists: why is it worthy of the effort to make a video reassuring women that the departure of flawed useless toxic men is not a great concern to the women who are being abandoned?

Based on what I can see and hear, here’s my theory about the woman who made this video: She is not among the top 20% of the most attractive women out there. Those women assume that there will always be a man for them. (They are correct in that assumption, at least for now). Those women do not care about the departure of men at rates of anything less than 80% of the male population. Because as long as at least 20% of the male population is still willing to pursue and sacrifice for a woman, each of those top tier women assumes she will have at least one of those men. You never see those centerfold-worthy women making videos showing any concern about the idea of mgtow one way or the other.

She is also not among the bottom 20% of the least attractive women out there. She is not in that group with the Trigglypuff we saw here recently. As far as those bottom 20% women are concerned, 100% of men went mgtow from them a long time ago, and no video is going to get any of them back. They aren’t making videos addressing the idea of mgtow because the effort invested could not hope to achieve anything for them. Eating right, dressing well, exercising, sobriety, a hair color that actually occurs in nature and taking some responsibility for themselves might improve their odds, but these things require discipline, responsibility and an aknowledgment that a man is worth this effort. Feminism killed that idea off a long time ago.

This woman is somewhere in between the top and bottom 20%. She has not made that effort of eating well, exercising etc, and is old enough to have had sufficient experience with male attention (or lack thereof) to make her aware of her place in the mating equation. Like most women, she probably is harder on herself about her looks than is fair, and has likely taken criticism for it from other women. Given that knowledge, and that bias, she can believe that she might have a shot at a man committing to produce for her, but that man is in no way guaranteed. The men willing to commit to that enormous liability may be out there for her, but she knows from experience that they are not present in large quantity. And, they are not beating down her door.

For this woman, her chances of finding that committed male producer are precarious at best, and dependent upon every possible available male being maximally motivated to have a source of reliable sex with at least one woman, and at any cost or risk to himself. Given her position in that equation, EVERY man counts. In that equation, if a video like this inspires even one man not to go mgtow, her chances are improved.

In that equation, a video like this one might seem to be worth the effort for her to make. After all, what does she have to lose by making it? It’s unlikely she turned down a date with a millionaire in order to free up time on her schedule to make this video. But unfortunately for her, in order for that video to do her any good, its intended target (me) must still have an open mind to its message of encouragement to abandon the idea of mgtow.

My mind considers this video, understands its intended message, and then compares it to the real life experiences I’ve had and personally witnessed around me. Having considered both options, it’s still a very easy decision for me to make.

So my decision is the same: Make all the videos you want, ma’am. I’m no longer part of the equation you are trying to influence.

Satire or not, I have respectfully withdrawn.

Nicely put Mr. BP. Also, another reason might be to gather attention from the MGTOW hype and then convert it to monetary gains. Everybody wants to be saints. Maybe she thinks she can recruit followers out of more down-trodden women like her.

I think WGTOW would have been only valid if it was a legal concept, like KM said. I would definitely understand women going wgtow if there were many cases of injustice related to crimes against women. But there aren’t many.

Crimes against women are almost instantly dealt with by the courts and the general public. Rapists are not getting away with it. Domestic abusers aren’t iving a free life after beating their wives. Nope, they’re prosecuted, tried and jailed…or worse, they’re having their dicks cut off. So in short there is no real need for WGTOW.

They already have feminism. And that is exclusive to women. No, it does not favour even the pussy-beggars who follow it. We don’t have anything. Someone might yell: “But you have patriarchy, don’t you?” Even if there was a patriarchy, it wasn’t exclusive to men; women benefitted from it too.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

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