Were any of you aspiring PUA before MGTOW?

[The_YoungParticipant 1073]

I was so desperate to get a girlfriend that I would go up to girls randomly at the mall, and come up with something witty while sounding unsuccessfully confident, whether it was “hey, thought you were cute blahblahblah” (it’s so cringy to say now) or just random indirect openers (found those tended to work best, especially towards groups of three or more girls).

I got rejected 95% of the time, because the second you show interest you look like a creep. And the amount of stress this s~~~ caused me by having to drive to the mall everyday just to approach …made me want to pull my hair out. And I was close to getting a negative reputation at the mall. I was starting to get recognized.

I kept all of my approach information in a handbook, or wrote about it in a PUA forum in the form of a daily journal. If I spent nearly half the time approaching as opposed to writing about it, I probably would have gotten some action with a 3/10 landwhale, which back then, would have been like a 10/10 to me.

What a f~~~ing waste of time. That, and online dating. Countless hours. Gone. I’m glad I gave it up.

The guilt of not approaching still haunts me though. Spending some time on the forums tends to fix that.

Just wanted to know if anyone else had previous experiences like me, or stories they’d like to share.

Brother, we need to stick together.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

i’m glad you’ve become mgtow and you’ve found the path to freedom.

learn from the cringe worthy mistakes you’ve made in the past

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Yes. PUA started me on the path toward MGTOW, as I imagine it did for a lot of MGTOW.

I was not a good PUA. Because no matter what techniques I tried to apply (to various degrees, not extreme enough to satisfy any “master” PUA, thank Christ I wasn’t that stupid), no matter how much I put myself out there to be skewered, I couldn’t suppress that nagging little voice, my conscience, screaming “what’s the goddamned point?”

And this was when I was a virgin. It’s a funny thing, but the moment I decided “No, I don’t give a s~~~ about what girls want from me; I refuse to put in the effort to learn this s~~~; what matters is what I, and only I, want from me”—that was the moment I got laid.

Have you seen https://youtu.be/sNttiuddy6E? Basically, Game is about female superiority, about men devoting themselves to pleasing their female overlords.

The_Young wrote:

“hey, thought you were cute blahblahblah” (it’s so cringy to say now)

I’ve done that and worse. Used the “you’re cute” thing, and found that when you’ve explicitly put your attraction out there, she immediately starts thinking about how she can take advantage of that.

I don’t think I’m ready to say what I’ve done that’s worse. Perhaps some other time.

The_Young wrote:

I got rejected 95% of the time

Yup. Because, to a PUA, it doesn’t matter if 95% of the time you make yourself into a grand fool, because if 5% of the time you score with a 3/10 landwhale, that makes it worth while.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[Masculine_ManParticipant 2735]

When I was in my twenties (before marriage) I felt the need to do that as well. After getting divorced, and putting up with s~~~ty attitudes, women flaking, and all around despicable personalities I said enough. Now that I earn a decent living, can buy what I want (I choose to invest) these post wall harpies try and tell me I should settle down. Well it will not happen. I will continue to focus on myself. Buy what makes me happy. Live how I want to live.

When they drop hints, ignore them. Think about it. What can they offer you that you can’t get from a fleshlight or your hand? You know where those have been, you don’t know where she’s been. You should put in ZERO dollars, ZERO effort, and ZERO stress for pussy. It should fall in your lap and if you choose then have you way with them.

So yes at one point, I thought it would be cool to be a PUA. But in reality, the trouble isn’t worth it. The money spent on dates could possibly fund you having fun, or investments that can potentially make you wealthy.

If it costs you your peace of mind, then it is too expensive.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

At some point during my divorce I thought “I’m going to bang anything that moves”. But after a while I realized that I prefer peace to a piece.

So, I thought about it but luckily never acted on it. Then I found this website. Game, set, match.

Order the good wine

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

I had the opposite problem actually, women would always come up to me and talk to me but I was so pussy whipped in relationships I never acted on them. I was no Chad but I had a good body and worked out and always had confidence. I purposely let myself go and got fatter to just avoid women but even when being fat some women will still try to hook up with me. I have had one woman come up to me and say “you look like a movie star you should be in movies”. Really? my fat ass looks like a movie star come on! How desperate do you have to be to stroke my ego like that I am not a 10 I would put myself down as a 5 right now.

Anyway reading a lot of your guys posts made me decided to start losing all my weight again because living a lifestyle like this just to avoid women and treat your body like garbage is wrong. Let them come at me again I will just c~~~ punt them as soon as they come near once I lose my weight. I am sure some guys here have had my experience as well it sucks to get their attention when you don’t want it that is why I wrote this maybe others have had my experience as well. I hope I didn’t come off as egotistical that was not why I wrote this but if you do view it as such I don’t care just sharing my personal experience.

[Anonymous 12]

Kind of, but even before I knew about MGTOW I noticed that one pussy feels much the same as the next and when you are actually f~~~ing you don’t even see or feel the woman really asides from her pussy.

So it started to feel like trying to sample Big Macs from different McDonald’s, different location, same burger.

[505vikingoParticipant 521]

These are all brilliant posts fellas. I was at work last night and a female co-worker stated, “Someone has a crush on you, do you want to know who?” I replied “No” and walked away. The End.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

I had a friend who was trying to get me into PUA for 3 years straight.
Funnily enough even before i found mgtow i told him “women aren’t worth s~~~” every single time.

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

When I was young I used to tell women that I love them to get them into bed.

Not sure if that counts as a PUA.

I somewhat regret that. It’s dishonest, risky and nobody benefits.

I think it’s better to completely stay away from sex, relationships and anything that could lead to it.

If I deal with women I just treat them like any man.

Some feel bewildered, some feel offended, but they all get the message.

Monk

[narwhalParticipant]

No, not really. I have chased tail at times, but not following any real PUA strategies. A few years back, I read a PUA book, but I read it with the idea that there would be useful information in their (and there was), but not with the idea that I was going to make it my goal.

I tend to see the side of PUA where you be more confident about yourself to be useful. Dressing well and carrying yourself with confidence doesn’t mean you have to hit on every girl you see. If you start to see yourself more confidently, you will start to question the BS you’ve assumed to be true for so long. You start asking yourself if it’s all worth it…and find that it isn’t.

So, no, was never a PUA, but I think the PUA philosophies, strategies helped push me towards MGTOW. Of course, my divorce was the biggest push by far for me.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 6]

505vikingo wrote:

These are all brilliant posts fellas. I was at work last night and a female co-worker stated, “Someone has a crush on you, do you want to know who?” I replied “No” and walked away. The End.

She was expecting you to beg for her to tell you who it was and you couldn’t give a rats ass. Awesome 🙂

[BeerParticipant 11832]

505vikingo wrote:

These are all brilliant posts fellas. I was at work last night and a female co-worker stated, “Someone has a crush on you, do you want to know who?” I replied “No” and walked away. The End.

Haha…that’s how I am now too. Its kind of hilarious when someone is trying to hook you up with some chick or beating around the bush some chick likes you and your just like nah, not interested. Its kind of like them saying “Hey I got this stapler…wanna staple one of your b~~~~ to your leg?” and they can’t figure out why you aren’t interested.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Pua was a activity I never enjoyed during, I hated every second of it.

It’s much better, being a bad boy. C~~~s eat that s~~~ up all the time.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[NeroParticipant 1466]

TaxGuy wrote:

At some point during my divorce I thought “I’m going to bang anything that moves”. But after a while I realized that I prefer peace to a piece.

So, I thought about it but luckily never acted on it. Then I found this website. Game, set, match.

So, have you banged anyone since you’ve been divorced? If so, what was it like? I have been banging the same piece for 19 years. I really can’t imagine someone different at this point. It would feel odd.

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

I did a few years of PUA and got really good at it. I didn’t follow any gurus- just learned as much as I could about female nature and how men/women are different. Then I approached hundreds of times. I became a much more confident person because of it.

I spent way more time improving myself than I did pursuing. I had this “cycle” I called it.

I would spend a couple months improving myself and achieving goals. Financial goals… Health goals… Social goals… I called this the “WORK” cycle

Once I achieved said goals I would go pursue women and usually end up in a short term relationship. I foolishly considered this the “REWARD” cycle. After a few months I would get bored, cut ties and choose a new set of goals for myself.

My journey to MGTOW began as soon as PUA became easy. As time went on I realized I enjoyed the quiet times of self-reflection and self-improvement far more than I enjoyed the chasing of tail.

In the end it was obvious to me that women were in fact the “WORK” and solitude was the “REWARD” Once I came to this conclusion I slowly started re-organizing and re-prioritizing my life.

For a time I wanted a family. I still kind of do. But in the end the self-preservation instinct kicked in and it overpowered my desire to reproduce.

The thought of marriage or pregnancy gives me an instant panic attack, so I just steer clear these days.

Not my property... Not my problem

[OldBillParticipant]

I spent six years in the Navy during the first half of the 80s. The mindset of the “Sexy Seventies” was still roaring along and the AIDs scare hadn’t hit yet. Does that answer your question?

We went through women like a obese broad goes through Golden Corral. With “three hots and a cot” back on the ship, ALL of our money was disposable and we spent it partying like… well… sailors.

I wasn’t aware of a PUA community back then and I’d find it hard to believe that there was one that even remotely resembles what exists now. However, when I came across some of the PUA “methods” several years ago I recognized a lot of things we had simply done reflexively back then. No one passed around checklists or crib notes, but you did watch what the more successful “hounds” and “swordsmen” and copied them to some extent.

Part of our success was the fact that we weren’t usually seen as potential husbands. (There were women, especially from rural areas who did see us as potential husbands who would take them away from East Jesus, Arkansas.) We were classic examples of the bad boys women love to f~~~. There would be no strings, no long relationships, we’d eventually be transferred or steam away, it was the perfect set-up for what Erica Jong called the zipless f~~~; a nearly anonymous one-night stand.

Case in point: I was stationed in upstate New York near B~~~~ton Spa at a reactor training facility for nearly a year. There was a liberal arts college nearby called Skidmore that had been female only until the mid-70s and still had a huge female-to-male ratio in the early 80s. Many of the women there were from upper class families, had grades that couldn’t get them into the Ivies or better schools, and were wiling away their time until they got their “Mrs” degree.

They loved us squids because there was no chance of anything serious happening and we were fine with supplying the c~~~s for their individual carousels.

The most “pussy intensive” part of my life were the months I was stationed in B~~~~ton Spa. You would have had to be a complete loser not to get laid there on a regular basis.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

505vikingo wrote:

I was at work last night and a female co-worker stated, “Someone has a crush on you, do you want to know who?” I replied “No” and walked away. The End.

Bro you need a tarp, because after that bitch’s hamster’s going nuclear & her head will explode. Bitch-brain-bits all over 505vikingo’s office!

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

OldBill wrote:

There were women, especially from rural areas who did see us as potential husbands who would take them away from East Jesus, Arkansas.

I had to look up East Jesus, Arkansas, just to see if it was real or not. Given what i know about the state, i wouldn’t be surprised.

[swisscheesParticipant 77]

I was into PUA but honestly, i didnt do much. I just read and watched lots of PUA stuff which i quit enjoyed. I still do and think if u go into it, u can have lots of sex. Problem is, most guys wont do it cause its more then just approaching girls and say “hi u are cute”. Ofc sometimes it is just that, but its the whole package. If u are overweight, dont have a job etc u better sort that out first. its about lifestyle changes and in my opinion its in some way very similiar to MGTOW. Why? Because MGTOW guys are attractive in a way that we (i guess im also slowly one hehe) go our way and do things we like and dont value ourself from other people, specialy women. Thats very attractive for women and thats also something real seducer (pua if u wanna call it) also do. Anyway, maybe i will get into pua a bit later in my life, but i realy enjoy now being mgtow and do my s~~~ and dont give a f~~~.

My question here to you guys that were in pua before is, if u had good success/progression, do you think u would still go MGTOW? Someone here had good progression and still said “NO” to PUA? Or u do both? Think dating and MGTOW is compatible.

cheers guys have a nice day.

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