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Well guys, I have been a purple pill for years. Trying again and again. This time was a coworker that I know must work with for the next 30 years. I lost her. Tried for over a month to when her back. Won some sex but today a day before my birthday I went to her place on invitation. Cuddled and the usual lovey dovey s~~~. Topic came up and I asked her if she f~~~ed anyone. Dont ask that was the response. I had been with her 2 nights a week before. I pressed and found she f~~~ed her ex. I feel like s~~~ for trying and now back on the what the f~~~ to do path. I know i should leave western women but deep inside I want a relationship. Plus note 2 days ago I bought a russian language beginners thing. Thinking of taking my career east. Thoughts and encouragement welcome.
The grass is greener on the other side of the fence….Except it isn’t. Women are women are women are women. They are the same no matter where you go. An “eastern” women will treat you no better than any other type. Worse in many cases. They are totally and unabashedly unashamed that they are looking for a money maker to “take care of them”. If you are comfortable knowing that the only value you have is what you can provide for her, materially, then have at it. But don’t cry when you are left for the bigger wallet and you find yours stolen.
“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
I know i should leave western women but deep inside I want a relationship. Plus note 2 days ago I bought a russian language beginners thing. Thinking of taking my career east.
I encourage you to consider the meaning of the ‘all’ in All Women Are Like That.
All of them. No exceptions.
I’d suggest you binge on the archives looking for foreign women horror stories, of which there are plenty.
@keymaster Men who think foreign women are the answer to their relationship problems is a recurring theme for so many men in the MGTOW discovery stage. Would it be possible to create a subcategory in Relations~~~s to help these men on their AWALT journey?
If the chick is behind you — you’re doing it wrong. Very wrong.
When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
Anonymous54Sadly ,what you yearn for is just an illusion in your mind. It doesn’t really exist. It took me years to learn that.I have a friend who married an eastern woman. Brought her back to the States. Within 3 years she was Amercanized and obnoxious.
I know i should leave western women but deep inside I want a relationship.
Your desire for a relationship is your real problem here. The problem is not the women you choose, the problem is not the part of the world where those women live, the problem is you.
Until you truly accept AWALT, you’ll always have this problem. Until you let go of your desire for a relationship, you’ll always have this problem. Until you finally admit to yourself that women are not worth the effort or the time you’ve been wasting, you’ll always have this problem.
Plus note 2 days ago I bought a russian language beginners thing. Thinking of taking my career east.
AWALT, AWALT, AWALT. Russian women are no different from Western women. In fact, Russian’s are usually more open about their mercenary impulses.
Thoughts and encouragement welcome.
My thoughts are that you’re fooling yourself and so I’ll give you no encouragement to take your career east.
Let me leave you with this quote and thoughts behind it:
“The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings.”In Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar, Brutus and Cassius are discussing Caesar’s intentions to become king. Brutus knows Caesar must be stopped, but is held back from his duty to Rome by his love for the Caesar. Cassius reminds Brutus that they are Caesar’s equals and not his underlings. Cassius also states that he and Brutus are not victims of fate but instead should face the consequences of their own decisions and actions.
Your problems are not a result of fate or Western women. Your problems are a result of your own thinking, decisions, and actions. You CHOOSE to believe that woman are loyal, fair, honest, and worthy of your time.
Until you choose accept the reality of women, you’re choosing to remain a victim.
Choose wisely.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Your desire for a relationship is your real problem here.
I started typing a reply to this about an hour ago ( but got pulled away) and was going to say exactly that.
THat’s …. womanly. (for lack of a better term). They clasp their hands together and look at the sky and say “i really want a relationship” or “I’m ready to get married now” when they have no prospects and nobody is proposing.
Your desire for a “relationship” with an imagined female you haven’t even MET is totally bass-ackwards. It’s one thing to want a relationship with someone you’ve been dating for 9-12 months after you have had PLENTY of good times with them….. but wanting a relationship before you MET her , is just loopy.
This kind of person is so desperate for a “relationship” / co-dependent situation that it doesn’t even matter who she is. More importantly, you’ll have sex with her and get out of bed the next morning thinking you’re “in a relationship” now… and then run over to faceboolk to change your “relationship status”. It’s pathetic. (no offense please)
It doesn’t work like that.
STRIKE the desire for a relationship with a phantom female out of your mind until you have known her for AT LEAST 9-12 months. It doesn’t even depend on YOU. It depends on HER and the kind of woman she is. And the reason you don’t jump into a situation like that is because 3 months is not long enough to see who she really is. Women can play the good girl act for a week, month or three… but not for 9-12 months while YOU DECIDED if you want a relationship WITH HER at all.
Same thing with marriage.
Same thing with kids.I am still unmarried because I have not wanted to marry any of them. I decided they were unmarriagable. I don’t have kids, because I decided I didn’t want kids WITH THEM. The desire for those things doesn’t depend on you …. it depends on your partner(s) and what kind of person they are.
It blows my mind to hear a woman say “I really want a relationship / to get married / have kids” when she doesn’t even have a boyfriend!!! How upside down are her priorities? It tells me she doesn’t give a F~~~ who the guy is, as long as SHE gets HER ring, HER wedding, HER proposal, HER dress, HER cake, HER baby.
No. She can get someone else for that.
I know i should leave western women but deep inside I want a relationship. Plus note 2 days ago I bought a russian language beginners thing.
Many of my friends are Russian, but your learning another language for a woman is ass backwards too. Are you going into HER world? Or are you bringing her into YOURS.
This is MGTOW. The universe around you is YOURS and YOUR CREATION. Find another reason to learn Russian if you really want to. Because the last thing you want is to be at the end of a “relationship” and say “I LEARNED RUSSIAN FOR YOU!!!!”.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous18Women are women are women are women.
+1. Pick up learning one of the Chinese languages. When they’re superpower all ’em Western girls will start finding Cantonese sexy.
Your desire for a relationship is your real problem here.
They clasp their hands together and look at the sky and
say “i really want a relationship” or
“I’m ready to get married now” when they have no prospects and nobody is proposing.Laydeez words sound sincere until men are mgtow and know,
“I really want your wallet.”
Now…. that I’m a worn out hag. If I were a car you wouldn’t even consider rebuilding me, just not worth it let alone if you want a drivable car to start with."It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Thanks for the replies guys. I am not co-dependant and I can be alone / happy. I have the same thoughts as many of you. I have considered the alone lifestyle or I would not be here. The logic is of everything you all have said is sound, that said I am still finding myself wanting that dopamine oxytocin feeling of having someone in my life. Stupid I know but clearly biologically engrained and undeniably there. I do enjoy the company of a woman more than being alone contrary to my logical assertion of its temporary nature.
I have noticed the trend of miserable women, never happy or satisfied. Selfish and selfserving. I understand it is their nature.
I guess my real question is if there are truly no exceptions to these female behaviors to have a meaningful partnership, how have you kept the urge for companionship at bay?
BigC, I’ve kept my urge for woman’s companionship under check by looking back at the many, many women I was friends with, dated or married in my lifetime, and remind myself that not a single one was a good companion.
They may have been temporarily good companions, but never in the long run. Never.
Perhaps you’re simply not ready to go full MGTOW yet. And that’s OK, we all come to it in our own time. So why not get back out there and start flirting and maneuvering yourself into a few women’s lives, perhaps even date a few. We’ll be here for you when you get back.
If the chick is behind you — you’re doing it wrong. Very wrong.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sooo true.
Now to clean the coffee off my desk and monitorThere was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
Your desire for a “relationship” with an imagined female you haven’t even MET is totally bass-ackwards.
That’s not true. There’s nothing wrong with wanting an improvement (or perceived improvement) in your situation without knowing what exactly that improvement would look like.
For example, I have a desire for a “job,” even though I have no idea what that job would look like or entail. I just want one, and then I’ll decide if it’s the job I want.
I have a desire for a better apartment, though I haven’t checked out any new apartments just yet, and likely a better apartment would be out of my price range.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
how have you kept the urge for companionship at bay?
You don’t have to. Plenty of MGTOW date and spend time with women. You’re a man; you cannot be blamed for wanting female company, and it’s unreasonable for anyone to expect anything different.
The difference between MGTOW and other men when it comes to interacting with women is that MGTOW don’t wait for women’s permission and guidance to have a good time; MGTOW decide what they like to do, and they try to find women who like to do what they do—and if they can’t, so what? There are over three and a half BILLION women in the world, and each one is an individual. You could spend your life going through woman after woman, you could date and know intimately a million of them, and even then you still would not have even scratched the surface of possible experiences with a woman.
The problem is only when you let your guard down. We men have a natural affection for women, so we often overlook some of their nastier qualities. Women, like everyone else, are out for their own self-interest, so when they see an opportunity to increase their well-being with zero negative consequences to themselves, they take it. Why not? Wouldn’t you?
So what you do is you live your life and make the kind of decisions that will effect your happiness that do not rely on other people. Continue interacting with women, but interact with them in such a way that no matter what they do, it won’t affect you negatively. A simple example: say you want to go to some event with a woman which requires a ticket. Don’t buy the ticket for her; instead, tell her when you’re going, and offer her the opportunity to meet you there. If she doesn’t show up, then you didn’t lose anything.
Remember that the vast, vast, vast majority of male/female relationships end abruptly—and, if you’re not careful and let your guard down, painfully. So when you have a relationship with a woman, enjoy it for what it is, but don’t expect it to go anywhere, because it almost certainly won’t. When it ends, that’s okay, you can always find another.
Do not put the fate of your happiness in the hands of women. They are much too capricious and fickle, and your happiness is too important.
Find another reason to learn Russian
Expand your mind with a language whose grammar is completely ass-backward to that of English. Learn a new alphabet. Get a bigger vocabulary. Open your mind to some of the greatest art ever created: Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Gogol, Pushkin, Rachmaninoff (he wrote songs).
These are my reasons, anyway. There are plenty of manly reasons to learn Russian. It’s a super cool language, and it’s difficult as f~~~. I love it.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
Your desire for a “relationship” with an imagined female you haven’t even MET is totally bass-ackwards.
That’s not true. There’s nothing wrong with wanting an improvement (or perceived improvement) in your situation without knowing what exactly that improvement would look like.
For example, I have a desire for a “job,” even though I have no idea what that job would look like or entail. I just want one, and then I’ll decide if it’s the job I want.
I have a desire for a better apartment, though I haven’t checked out any new apartments just yet, and likely a better apartment would be out of my price range.
@ Rockmaninoff:
Respectfully, IMO that spectrum, though broad and incremental in nature, leads to death for too many males. I have witnessed women aggressively playing their side of the game while attempting to not appear to be doing so. Let’s say I had one girlfriend for X amount of time and the companionship and sex were C and S respectively and the ultimate breakup was D regarding damaging. It’s a minefield IMO, trying to maximize X,C,S, and minimize D or avoid it altogether.
The cost to the man in terms of time, resources, risks, stress, loss of focus, and a myriad of mental bills coming due via her, from her, IMO “is too damned high”. Sooner or later they all eviscerate the man, IMO.
Meanwhile, some guys can “do it”, can generate that type of payment and keep the laydeez greed at bay, but at least personally for me, it’s “but a dream.”"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
how have you kept the urge for companionship at bay?
You don’t have to. Plenty of MGTOW date and spend time with women. You’re a man; you cannot be blamed for wanting female company, and it’s unreasonable for anyone to expect anything different.
The difference between MGTOW and other men when it comes to interacting with women is that MGTOW don’t wait for women’s permission and guidance to have a good time; MGTOW decide what they like to do, and they try to find women who like to do what they do—and if they can’t, so what? There are over three and a half BILLION women in the world, and each one is an individual. You could spend your life going through woman after woman, you could date and know intimately a million of them, and even then you still would not have even scratched the surface of possible experiences with a woman.
The problem is only when you let your guard down. We men have a natural affection for women, so we often overlook some of their nastier qualities. Women, like everyone else, are out for their own self-interest, so when they see an opportunity to increase their well-being with zero negative consequences to themselves, they take it. Why not? Wouldn’t you?
Remember that the vast, vast, vast majority of male/female relationships end abruptly—and, if you’re not careful and let your guard down, painfully. So when you have a relationship with a woman, enjoy it for what it is, but don’t expect it to go anywhere, because it almost certainly won’t. When it ends, that’s okay, you can always find another.
Do not put the fate of your happiness in the hands of women. They are much too capricious and fickle, and your happiness is too important.Find another reason to learn Russian
I don’t want to come off as uber ethical, it’s just that women don’t hesitate to increase what’s theirs, at cost to the man.
Shoe on the other foot, IMO men don’t do this or at least don’t do it so sociopathically."It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
You don’t have to. Plenty of MGTOW date and spend time with women. You’re a man; you cannot be blamed for wanting female company, and it’s unreasonable for anyone to expect anything different.
Not exactly, but you’re not exactly a MGTOW anyway.
I spend time with women but I do not date them. I have sex with with women but I do not date them. On the rare occasions I accept female company it is on my terms alone and I still do not date them.
The difference between MGTOW and other men when it comes to interacting with women is that MGTOW don’t wait for women’s permission and guidance to have a good time; MGTOW decide what they like to do…
That’s true. Whether women are present or not, whether women approve or not, a MGTOW does what he wishes to do.
… and they try to find women who like to do what they do—and if they can’t, so what?
That’s false. MGTOW do not try to find women. MGTOW do not search for women. If women show up, who cares? If women don’t show up, again who cares?
The problem is only when you let your guard down.
And that’s the problem with your It’s okay to juggle chainsaws advice. Sooner or later, a man will let his guard down. Sooner or later, some unforeseen event will place a man at a woman’s mercy and then the horrors begin.
By limiting your exposure, you limit your risk.
We men have a natural affection for women, so we often overlook some of their nastier qualities.
Again, that’s not exactly correct. Men have a natural affection for vaginal intercourse, so we often overlook the nastier qualities of the women who can provide it.
Women, like everyone else, are out for their own self-interest, so when they see an opportunity to increase their well-being with zero negative consequences to themselves, they take it. Why not? Wouldn’t you?
It’s a matter of degree and not kind. Unlike women, as a man I don’t purposely f~~~ people over for my own gain. I treat other human beings as an end and not a means. YMMV.
Continue interacting with women, but interact with them in such a way that no matter what they do, it won’t affect you negatively.
That’s a sound piece of advice in a rather shaky post.
Do not put the fate of your happiness in the hands of women. They are much too capricious and fickle, and your happiness is too important.
And that’s another sound piece of advice.
I’ll reiterate my original point: It is BigC’s desire for a relationship that is his actual problem. Channeling that desire into something actually worthwhile is his best solution.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Not exactly, but you’re not exactly a MGTOW anyway.
Ah yes, OldBill and his “no true scotsMGTOW would want the things that I don’t want nor would he have the values that I have” pontificating. Hello!
All right, I’m not a MGTOW, whatever you say. I don’t like applying labels to myself anyway; I’m a complex person, and a five letter acronym does not, and cannot, accurately describe my outlook on life.
I spend time with women but I do not date them. I have sex with with women but I do not date them. On the rare occasions I accept female company it is on my terms alone and I still do not date them.
You’re quite keen to argume semantics; good for you for wanting to clarify your terms, but I’m not really interested in that right this second.
When I say “dating,” I mean “spending time in a romantic context with women.” Call it whatever you want, but if the shoe fits . . .
I will also point out that the forums to this website have a “dating” section. I will stay to my previous assertion: plenty of MGTOW date.
MGTOW do not try to find women. MGTOW do not search for women. If women show up, who cares? If women don’t show up, again who cares?
Another point of semantics. Though MGTOW do not spend time and effort making efforts to qualify themselves to women, that’s not to say they don’t engage in a sort of passive looking, which involves being able to recognize opportunities for fun with women and taking those opportunities.
Analogously, I’m “looking” for a job right now. I don’t spend every active second sending out CVs, interviewing, etc., but I’m watching for opportunities, and I take them when they come.
Sooner or later, a man will let his guard down. Sooner or later, some unforeseen event will place a man at a woman’s mercy and then the horrors begin.
By limiting your exposure, you limit your risk.
Yes, it’s a risk, just like driving a car is. But if you’re careful, actively practice collision avoidance, it can be a positive, healthy, beneficial experience.
Unlike women, as a man I don’t purposely f~~~ people over for my own gain.
Remember that when you read horror stories of how women treat men, you’re reading it from your perspective as a disinterested third party. From your perspective, it seems like “purposefully f~~~ing over”; but I doubt that the woman genuinely believes she’s “purposefully f~~~ing someone over.”
Careful about ascribing intent. To her, she’s just doing what she thinks will best effect her own happiness.
I’m sure that you personally, OldBill, have acted in such a way in the past that someone who has been affected by your actions, or witnessed your actions, would describe it as “purposefully f~~~ing someone over.”
I’m not saying you did anything wrong, and I’m not saying that women are blameless either. What I’m saying is that no matter what you do, someone somewhere is going to have a problem with it, and can explain it to himself only with your supposed desire to purposely f~~~ someone over.
I’ll reiterate my original point: It is BigC’s desire for a relationship that is his actual problem.
No one here can claim to know exactly the extent of BigC’s desire, so no one here can really draw a conclusion whether that desire is good or bad. If the desire manifests itself in perseverative and dangerous behaviors, then it’s a problem. But if it’s a desire that’s regarded, and approached, reasonably and cautiously, then it’s fine—and, what’s more, it’s unreasonable for a man to expect any differently.
You can have a relationship, and still preserve your manly autonomy. I don’t believe it’s an either-or. A problem only comes up when you put too much of your resources in something as capricious as a woman.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
I haven’t really tried to lose my desire for a relationship, but I recognize that what I picture in my head doesn’t match reality. So I keep those thoughts in the same place where I keep my fantasies about becoming a millionaire or a superhero.
Ok. Then do it.
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