Welcome to the study: a place for civilized discussions on politics

[Ingtar ShinowaParticipant 40]

Come in! Sit down and have drink. Cigar? or Pipe?
Excellent.

Im glad you all could join me in the Study.
This will be a thread for the first of many topics to be discussed in a scholarly and civil manner befitting gentlemen such as yourselves.

Todays topic.
If you were founding a new country on a hereforto undiscovered piece of land what system of government would you choose and why? What rights, if any, would you guarantee the people?
Rate and discuss ideas under the categories of:
Justice
Liberty
Opportunity
Standard of Living
Longevity/ how easy would it be to maintain the system

and again thank you all for coming.

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[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Gentlemen such as yourselves.

Somebody break out the mayo… we’ve got fresh tuna.

[Ingtar ShinowaParticipant 40]

so essentially what happens after the Fed finally takes our debt to task?

The businessmen running the world in name and in fact?

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[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Everyone in the country have to earn their keep. Those who don’t earn it e.g. does not pay tax more then welfare does not have a say how the country is run. No votes.

No robbery in the name of charity. Force donation / welfare program to buy votes is just robbery from people who earn their keep to people who don’t while keeping a cut for the elites. If people want help for emergency / disaster / accidents they have to do it through private donation, not force robbery by government.

People can choose how much government they want. They can choose how much police, infrastructure, event, safety net they want and pay as much tax as necessary.
If the people voted for more police / hospital / fire station they have to pay more tax to sustain it. If people voted for less benefit they can pay less tax.
The government have to state how much tax is needed for police, if the people think the government is bulls~~~ting them, they can choose for no police so no need to pay extra tax, and get their own guns then have neighborhood patrol.
Of course not everyone will agree for no police at all, so the country is divided in a lot of area that this area of people can vote for no police and another area of people can vote for 2 police station. The first area of people need not pay the police tax and the other area of people have to pay. And for other area that vote for 100 police station, they have to pay much more tax.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Ingtar ShinowaParticipant 40]

if I were only being taxed for essential services I wouldn’t have so much of a problem. What really bothers me is the fact that government spends more than the Gross Domestic Product of our nation every year. Essential services do not cost that much.

Further I like your first statement to an extent, I imagine you would like something like ancient Athens where only the adult male citizens could vote.

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[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Being and adult and a male should not entitle him for the vote. Anyone who want to have a say in how the country / area run have to make a minimum level of contribution first.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Ingtar ShinowaParticipant 40]

of course. Because then you end up with the problems we have today

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[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

Stargazer wrote:

Gentlemen such as yourselves.

Somebody break out the mayo… we’ve got fresh tuna.

Not exactly your first typical post. I think I agree with my friend. Grilled tuna sounds good

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[pabsawakeParticipant 1761]

The verbiage these Tuna’s use. Always a dead giveaway.

"You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything

[AttonParticipant]

Justice

A system of innocent until proven guilty is guaranteed, to all citizens in the context of a legal trial. Any evidence could be submitted in trials as to avoid the pitfalls of the current system. Anonymity in cases of rape will not exist and special privileges will never be given to any person or persons. In this system true equality is the primary goal throughout. In the case of serious crime any citizen over the age of 18 is expected to report it. Failure to do so can expose them to the same criminal punishment as the guilty party.

Liberty

Everyone in the country will serve the council and by extension the executive. The state will however be a representative republic and citizens may chose 8 or more depending on population lords. They are subject to a long list of requirements based on their duty. The most voted for lords will form a council then leader is decided between the lords. That council is then installed by the executive of previously elected lords and notable individuals. The council will enforce the rule of law and ensure service of the people to better the state. The executive will ensure the council betters the people while controlling the military. Freedom of speech will be ensured provided it does not harm the state, executive or people. People will be required to serve the state to a reasonable capacity, like any day job. Outside of this they are free to do as they will and personal property is granted based on there contribution to the state.

Opportunity

School will be structured to maximize the productivity of citizens. Students are educated to the highest level they are capable with the intention of maximizing their ability to serve the council. Schools will make every effort to enhance their students that is their only role. These students then serve the state and as they progress earn personal property as they do currently. More or less is given in accordance with the persons contributions.

Standard of Living

All citizens will be made to serve the council and the executive. This system also puts upon the council and executive the responsibilities of ensuring the status of the populous. Service will be expected and compensation will be provided.

Longevity/ how easy would it be to maintain the system

Impossible or extremely difficult.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Ingtar ShinowaParticipant 40]

hahaha atton, I was reading through your well thought out and thorough response and I was thinking how would you ever keep this from turning into a democratic dictatorship and then I got to the last part “impossible or extremely difficult”
poignant, thank you

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[Anonymous 0]

How about an intro?
Until then, you are just another TUNA
Looks like we do have a weekend tuna hunt after all.

[Ingtar ShinowaParticipant 40]

look, you can either participate in a civil discussion or leave. I don’t know what your silly acronym stands for but I came to this group to have a forum with other men where I could discuss ideas in a space free from female group think and political correctness.
If you do not wish to participate you’re free to leave, if you want an introduction to me look at my profile. If you have questions for me then message me.

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[pabsawakeParticipant 1761]

Ingtar Shinowa wrote:

if I were only being taxed for essential services I wouldn’t have so much of a problem. What really bothers me is the fact that government spends more than the Gross Domestic Product of our nation every year. Essential services do not cost that much.

Further I like your first statement to an extent, I imagine you would like something like ancient Athens where only the adult male citizens could vote.

When did Gnostic mention Ancient Greece? And when did he mention that only adult males should only be allowed to vote?

This is the problem I have with your post you are baiting us. Not buying it.

"You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

You might want to have a discussion about having some f~~~ing manners. You join our website and act like a prima donna. If you’re not a woman you should be

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[Ingtar ShinowaParticipant 40]

actually pabsawake, I was the one that compared his ideal to ancient Athens.

The Athenians were the ones that only allowed adult male citizens to vote.

I personally disagree with the whole concept of a democracy. I have 2 ideas on opposite ends of the spectrum which I will detail in another response.

Further this is how I write, my tone and lexicon are my own. If you don’t like them that is not my problem.

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[Ingtar ShinowaParticipant 40]

Im not the one who is being rude in this thread. If you did not wish to participate in what was supposed to be a fireside discussion you did not have to follow the thread.

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[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[Anonymous 0]

Ingtar Shinowa wrote:

look, you can either participate in a civil discussion or leave. I don’t know what your silly acronym stands for but I came to this group to have a forum with other men where I could discuss ideas in a space free from female group think and political correctness.
If you do not wish to participate you’re free to leave, if you want an introduction to me look at my profile. If you have questions for me then message me.

I’M FREE TO LEAVE??? F~~~ YOU!!!
You come to this website for the first time and tell long standing members that they free to leave???
You sound like a woman who is trying manipulate men into saying something that she can use in her feminist college rag. I’ll bet you have little titties, too.
Come and get me, psycho-babe!
TUNA HUNT IS ON, BOYS

[Ingtar ShinowaParticipant 40]

I didn’t tell you to leave the website, I said you could leave the thread I started for a gentlemanly discussion on politics which you have turned into an insult fest.

I will not engage you in such female bulls~~~. I understand you were here first but if you cannot respect a mans opinion based on merit alone then you need to rethink your position.

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