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[Vector VikingParticipant 413]

Daaaaamn! This thread dug way deeper than I thought it would.

I’m glad it exposed one of the mask-wearing trolls. Guys like that just feed the c~~~rarian fire, and we don’t need them. I hope that guy wakes up one day and realizes that he has a limited life span and doesn’t have the time or energy to keep being irrational.

I don’t hate women nor do I advocate hate against any born group. Especially violence. If you need a cathartic dose of a killing spree, play GTA or Call of Duty or hit up your local batting cage for a few hours and get it out of your system, then get back to being someone who likes themselves because they do awesome things.

If you’re like me or Keymaster and do have the time and motivation to allow some women in your life to meet your physical needs, you don’t have to be an asshole to spark attraction. You just need to set your own clear and rational boundaries from the very start. You WILL be s~~~-tested, that’s just how the machine operates. Just stick to your guns and if she doesn’t meet your criteria, excuse yourself from any further interaction. You don’t even have to wind up like you’re going to deliver the Divine Backhand. Don’t give her the satisfaction of having been able to manipulate your emotions at all, because there isn’t anyone, anywhere worth losing your damn mind over. You’re in the driver’s seat.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Vector Viking wrote:

I’m glad it exposed one of the mask-wearing trolls. Guys like that just feed the c~~~rarian fire, and we don’t need them. I hope that guy wakes up one day and realizes that he has a limited life span and doesn’t have the time or energy to keep being irrational.

Wouldn’t reach into my pocket and bet that it’s a guy at all. The take-way from this (today) is really recognizing that the non-MGTOW fraud is more concerned about giving women what they want – and what he thinks they need.

• “women are supposed to submit”.
• “women should be treated like s~~~”.
• “women should be controlled”.
• “women need to be treated like dogs”.

MGTOW are to give zero f~~~s about what women want and need. Especially rescuing after society collapses. I’ll be doing what every other MGHOW will be doing. Building a boat, fishing, sitting on a beach in the Maldives… basically giving zero f~~~s. And glazing the occasional slut like a donut when the opportunity presents itself.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Oh and PS. For all of you who guessed.. good call. This c~~~ had the same IP as the previous failure “Warfare”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BiG_WeaselParticipant 116]

The original feminists were out to get equality (rights, pay, treatment) under the law. In fact, I actually applaud their efforts and successes.  However, any sort of “-ism” eventually shows what it truly is- The promotion of your particular idiom/gender/race/ideology above all others.  Racism, Islamism, Feminism, and on and on are all about self-promotion to the detriment of all others.

The MGTOW movement needs to walk a fine line here.  To be seen as the “male version of feminism” is not what we’re about.  We’re not about “men above all others”.  In my mind, MGTOW is about men taking responsibility and accountability solely to, and for, themselves.  Its about being beholden only to yourself, being self-sufficient without the need/want of a woman/wife.  Its not about “men are better than women because women are lame”, its about “men are awesome because we handle our business on our own and our own terms”.  If you go bashing women, you’re no better than the “c~~~rarians” (A word I love now.  Thanks!) of the world.  If you dislike women, and how they are, I’m on board- but you’ll never hear a true MGTOW say that anyone is “better” than anyone else, regardless of gender/race/etc.  A MGTOW man is an island unto himself. A modern feminist is part of a hate group, dogpiling onto what they deem as an inferior gender.  That’s not how MGTOW was created, and that’s not how it’ll grow.

[AttonParticipant]

The original feminists were out to get equality (rights, pay, treatment) under the law. In fact, I actually applaud their efforts and successes. However, any sort of “-ism” eventually shows what it truly is- The promotion of your particular idiom/gender/race/ideology above all others. Racism, Islamism, Feminism, and on and on are all about self-promotion to the detriment of all others.

Same people who saw nothing wrong with this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

BiG_Weasel wrote:

The original feminists were out to get equality (rights, pay, treatment) under the law.

But they weren’t.  Not really.

Sure they were all about “equal” rights.  And also special rights only to women.  But equal RESPONSIBILITIES?  They’ll have none of that.  From the very beginning feminism has been all for eliminating women’s responsibilities.

So no.  They were never out to get equality.  Not even close.  And it’s a blatant lie to say that they were.

But then that’s all feminism is and ever has been: a big fat f~~~ing lie.

[Vector VikingParticipant 413]

Sidecar, we can agree to disagree on this one. None of us have to toe the MGTOW line, being that there really isn’t a line to toe.

The main point, all motivations of early feminists aside, is that there was a time in the US when women did not share equal rights under the law. That is no longer the case. At some point before I was born 40 years ago, that had already been achieved. Since then, 100% of the time and effort that self-affirmed “feminists” have been doing anything, that anything has purely been causing drama only for the sake of causing drama. Just being contrary c~~~s. Hence, c~~~rarian.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Vector Viking wrote:

The main point, all motivations of early feminists aside, is that there was a time in the US when women did not share equal rights under the law. That is no longer the case.

Yes, and today women don’t – and won’t – share the same responsibilities under the law.
And they vote for this – to be as unaccountable as possible and not even capable of making up their own minds.

Under the law women voted for… a woman can’t even legally make up her own f~~~ing mind to spread her legs and have sex after having a drink.

That’s why they had no place sharing “equal rights”.
It’s like watching a toddler play with a loaded gun.

Horrifying.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Vector Viking wrote:

Sidecar, we can agree to disagree on this one.

But you are not disagreeing with me.  You are disagreeing with history.

You are disagreeing with the fact that you and every man over the age of 17 around you have to carry a selective service card while not a single woman you will ever meet does.

You are disagreeing with the fact that those very same “original feminists” that you tout so highly were happily shaming young men into going to a war for them which those women could vote for but the young men they were voting to send off to die couldn’t.

Do I need to continue? Because I can do this all week.  Feminism has NEVER been about equality.

I’m beginning to wonder if you are disagreeing with the very meaning of “equality” itself.

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

Keymaster wrote:

Oh and PS. For all of you who guessed.. good call. This c~~~ had the same IP as the previous failure “Warfare”.

WARFARE didn’t even make it difficult.  The whole oppress women bit is off the reservation. I didn’t just blatantly /waves@Warfare because it was too easy. Treat women like dogs… really… REALLY?  … Some women really hate men. That’s too bad. Enjoy your cats.

Warfare(I forget this avatar) = SuperMGTOW (Zeus avatar) = MGTOW (Red eye, most recent).

Probably the most hilarious bit for Warfare was the SuperMGTOW account, she put Zeus up. I was wondering how hard she dug for her cliche woman’s studies avatar of make believe misogyny and lo’ n behold the FIRST picture that comes up when you search for Zeus was her avatar. (This was all before she was caught.)

Bitches like her be lazy. (Yet another reason she was busted.)

The MGTOW (most recent) with the red eye was like her trying to be overly dominant and stare down people into agreeing with her. She put a little more thought into it this time. Still failed, her beliefs about men are wrong.

Same bitch. She never gets tired of trying to prove her notion that MGTOW are out to oppress women. LOL that takes effort, and we just can’t be bothered.

[ComingInHotParticipant 160]

She is just upset because I gave her all of my three inches, from the floor, then gave her the best sex she ever had and she wanted me to come on here after she pussymatized me and give the ole NAWALT Unicorn talk and that we were getting married and live happily ever after and she promised she wasnt going to divorce me and talk half of all my assests and alimony along with child support.  But then it happened, she gave me crabs, not the good ones I could sell at a fish market but the other ones, and I had to break it off.  I cry myself to sleep every night she is such a unicorn.  Now she comes on here and hates on MGTOW’s because I dumped her.  I cant help it she just misses all of my three inches…

 

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Reading this thread, I was just thinking that demanding equal rights, while dodging the equal responsibility that comes with them, is not about equality at all. It’s just about finding a more generous baby sitter. This was about the only comment I intended to make here.

But, reading this thread, I’ve just had this thought:

Mgtow have not much use for women, and zero interest in marrying them. For this, mgtow.com gets all this negative attention, all this shaming, all this effort to infiltrate, discredit or otherwise damage. None of this is news.

Monks in monasteries have similarly zero interest in marrying women, and have essentially made a sacred promise never to do it. This is not news either. Everyone knows this. It’s also not news to anyone.

And yet, monks do not have these nut jobs banging on the doors of monasteries demanding to be let in, or trying to impersonate a monk in order to get themselves admitted, or trying to shame them back on to the plantation…

Why?

As I theorize on why this could be the case, the first thing that comes to mind when I try to come up with a reason why monks are treated differently for essentially making the same decision, is that along with their vow of chastity, monks also take that vow of poverty. They may do some basic types of work to feed themselves, but otherwise, they do not produce anything more than what they require for subsistence, do not own anything of value that is their own, and therefore have nothing to take…

The only other difference I can think of is that mgtow, while producing, and being capable of producing much more than we require for ourselves, have not necessarily taken that vow of giving up sex forever. We may very well still have sex with women. But we are never going to marry one in order to try to secure that option. For this, we are seen as debtors who owe vagina owners something, and we are expected to offer whatever we have produced, and ALL of whatever we are capable of producing in order to try to pay that debt…

The person you believe owes you something: the squatter, the welcher, the dead beat debtor… THOSE are the people whose doors you bang on…

This observation is a new one to me and I’m writing it immediately after making it. As red pill as I thought I was, it still sickens me just a little bit more to read back over what I just wrote. I’ve long known that the marriage option was not a good one for me. I saw enough reasons to make that decision and I made it. But then I stopped really looking for more reasons. So now when I continue to stumble onto them, it continues to surprise me. I guess I just didn’t realize how deep the rabbit hole of reasons for that decision actually went.

This is depressing. I’d maybe feel a little better if they at least still tried to pretend it’s about something other than what they can take

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

BrainPilot wrote:

And yet, monks do not have these nut jobs banging on the doors of monasteries demanding to be let in, or trying to impersonate a monk in order to get themselves admitted, or trying to shame them back on to the plantation…

Well actually…

Most people don’t know the degree to which monks were HATED by the general populace in the middle ages. Why were they hated? Because they were unbelievably wealthy. Not so much individually, though the average monk did have an annual allowance of something like 12£ – a huge personal sum in those days, but collectively the monasteries were rolling in so much wealth they would make today’s Fortune 500 look like small potatoes. How did the monks accumulate all this wealth? Largely by not giving it to women. Instead their productivity went to their abbeys or was kept by themselves. With no women to support or children to inherit the monasteries just kept getting richer and richer and richer.

So a lot of the hatred for the monasteries was motivated by envy and greed, just as a lot of the hatred for MGTOW is also motivated by envy and greed. Even though MGTOW will never be as wealthy as the monasteries, we still have something feminists and women want, something they think they are entitled to, something we refuse to give them, and so they will continue to hate us, regardless of what we actually do or say.

Oh, and for the record monks were well known for their use of prostitutes, regardless of what Benedict’s Rule said. Many monasteries even ran their own brothels.

[DurdenParticipant 1051]

Part of the issue is those (who are actually guys) who post such remarks are just starting to unplug and are in the anger phase. I don’t think they comprehend the majority of us are fully red-pill. It can be hard to turn away  someone who might be trying to truly figure things out. Anger is a key phase in overcoming programming that we sometimes look down because we are past it. Although there are sites and videos that focus on unplugging unfortunately we are often the first contact they have with the red pill.

Obviously as this site grows the trolling defenses and spotting will get better. But I do believe it is key to filter out those in the anger stage from those who are already red pill. Whether it be connections to sites and videos that do or setting a separate area for venting. That way we don’t have to deal with those being unplugged because if I want to help others unplug I will go to an unplugging website where I can help them there. They can then determine their path after fully swallowing the pill. Afterwards if that path is MGTOW they can come back.

It may also be phrased as one of the 10 commandment concept as in your video. The one where the other people had audio problems. So it seemed like you were talking to yourself and allowing pauses for an imaginary friend to answer.

It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Gentlemen this just started to get even more interesting.

I happened upon this video on youtube.
It’s called… “is radical MGTOW dangerous”.

It seems there are those (like the f~~~er warfare who failed here 3 times) who are trying to push this idea that MGTOW are somehow interested in “controlling women” and telling them what to do.

••••

Here was my response:

••••

So gentlemen, if you as much as WHIFF anyone who alludes to “hating women” or “controlling women” – just for the sake of it – let us know and they will be booted out. If a woman (or group) actually DOES something that is unacceptable, bring it and talk about it. Preferably with evidence, a link, video or reference materials. But if one – and I mean – ONE s~~~stain like this shows up again, please drop what you are doing and report that s~~~.

The only “radicals” we will be known as are f~~~ing experts at totally ignoring women.
Certified with a black belt in the art of giving zero f~~~s in practice.

Thank you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Fredrick89Participant 1]

Keymaster wrote:

It takes far more strength to NOT beat a woman than to let your fist fly. Slapping a bitch comes from a place of WEAKNESS.

When you say this… you don’t adhere to the self-annihilating maxim of a man not being allowed to protect himself when one or several of the hysterical members of the low-IQ female species, fueled by the confidence of having lived her/their entire life in a totalitarian misandrist world, decides for whatever random excuse to physically attack you?

I don’t think you do. That’d be an intellectual suicide to me, and I think in particular to anyone who strongly emphasizes male independence. It’s just that I know that this nefarious social stigma is being propagated in monstrous proportions, and virtually slammed into men’s heads like never before by the spineless manginas and their sadistic fembot slavemasters, that I get insecure.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

KeyMaster was not talking about that. KeyMaster was talking about violent retaliation or control. He didn’t imply violence is always bad. Violent destruction such as destroying evil is OK. KeyMaster was talking about oppressing women, not protecting oneself.

To be a better man, I think KeyMaster would say, would strive to be less violent and more civil. That’s self-improvement. That’s focusing on oneself.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Fredrick89 wrote:

When you say this… you don’t adhere to the self-annihilating maxim of a man not being allowed to protect himself when one or several of the hysterical members of the low-IQ female species, fueled by the confidence of having lived her/their entire life in a totalitarian misandrist world, decides for whatever random excuse to physically attack you?

Great question! Thanks for asking it and to Pascal for stepping up.

Here’s the deal, from where I am sitting. Everything about a man’s attitude — including everything he does NOT say — should communicate to women without having to say it >>>> if she tries any s~~~ like that, he will have NO problem spending a night or three in jail for the satisfaction of bashing her f~~~ing face in.

When done properly, it will never come to that. No violence required. It’s all in the delivery.
Say it directly to her face if you have to… calmly, like with a really subtle smile, almost like you would enjoy it.

The reason women attack, provoke, start s~~~ and annoy, and get all up in your stuff and throwing remote controls, is because they think you won’t do it. They are SURE of it. Just telling a woman “NO” is like punching her in the face. Have you ever tried it? They are so shocked by “no”, you would think you were Manny Pacquiao. Ask Sean Connery, he knows. Never hit his wife in over 30 years…. but he WOULD if it came to that.

••••••

When women think there is a shred of possibility you might have it in you, they don’t dare.
You start small , like when she’s trying scoop into your ice cream after telling you she doesn’t want one.

A condescending eyebrow raise and disapproving inward breath goes a long way.

“I could, but I won’t . Because I don’t need to.”
That’s strength. That’s power. Women don’t have a f~~~ing clue of what I just said.

They think “strength” and “power” is “I CAN!!!! AND I WILL YOU BASTARD!!!!
That’s not strength. That’s WEAKNESS.

The strongest and most powerful nations on Earth don’t need to actually fire a single nuke.

“I could, but I won’t . Because I don’t need to.”

When a woman attacks me, it’s because I was letting her think she could get away with it.
Any dog owner can tell you “a bitch will get very uncomfortable when she doesn’t feel the end of her leash”.

Bashing, controlling, binding, tying up, beating, confining, restricting.. are all positions of weakness. A fist flies in a moment of weakness. You want her to feel as free as a bird to LEAVE. When she doesn’t , every moment she is there is because she WANTS to be.

It really does take more personal strength to not slap the s~~~ out of a bitch.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Fredrick89Participant 1]

Keymaster wrote:

Here’s the deal, from where I am sitting. Everything about a man’s attitude — including everything he does NOT say — should communicate to women without having to say it >>>> if she tries any s~~~ like that, he will have NO problem spending a night or three in jail for the satisfaction of bashing her f~~~ing face in.

Thank you for the clarification. But, after what I can tell, your code of conduct when it comes to dealing with aggressive women applies mostly to relationships, or women you are befriend or acquainted with…? Do you have any formula for retaining your human and masculine dignity when being ambushed by vile females in the public sphere? YouTube is packed with videos of men being attacked by women. Only in a few of them do the men defend themselves/retaliate/punch and kick back, and in a majority of those cases they get a double humiliation when subsequently being savaged by rabid manginas.

I subscribe to much of what seems to be the MGTOW consensus of what is the essence to survive (and thrive) for a man in this wicked world, namely as much as possible staying the heck away from women – and contribute the least amount possible of finances to the hell system. I have been doing this for 3-4 years already. But if I ever were to be continuosly harassed and finally attacked by a woman (like the guy were in this video that went viral) I honestly don’t know how I’d react. I’d either freeze or go absolutely ballistics and catapult her face into space. I feel like a situation like this is the last resort for the femi-scum to “get me” – making me desperate enough to lose the last thing they haven’t taken away from me yet (or tried to take away from me): the freedom of not (literally) living behind bars.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Keymaster wrote:

“I could, but I won’t . Because I don’t need to.”

Also: “I could, but I won’t. Because YOU’RE NOT WORTH IT.”

Cuts right to their core, does that.

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