Voluptuous xxx magazine should be called "The Girl Next Door"

[JjParticipant 178]

ComingInHot wrote:

I think what JJ is trying to say, JJ correct me if I am wrong, “Is that there are no magazines that have fat guys on the front page with women buying them and masturbating to them.” He is trying to illustrate that there is a double standard of objectifying the sexual marketplace, regardless of personal preference to big women. Personally yes they have a nice face and an amazing chest, but that is where is stops for me. I would let them blow me, but truth is every heavier woman I have had relations with, didnt want to suck dick, complained it gave them lock jaw, insisted she lay on her back, then when they got an orgasm they would be so out of breath and tired they would almost immediately fall asleep, and that is them laying on their back. I do agree this is a small sample size of about perhaps ten women, but that is enough for me laziness crosses all aspects of a persons life, work, health etc. He is not fat shaming just pointing out an honest truth, there are no fat dudes running rampant in porn like there are fat chicks, thus it logically follows is a double standard, all personal preferences aside. Hope that clarifies that for everyone.

Yes sir, this is exactly what I ment by the post and my clarifications. It’s easy to reach this point by putting aside ones personal feelings or preferences and zooming the lens out to view this from a cultural point of view. If I had worded this forum in such a way as you have used you words wisely, I believe that people would not have acted from the unconscious part of their brains. But alas, I am brash go the indirect route. I have been accused of be an “instigator” on this site… I agree.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Why should I or any man or MGTOW spend more than one second or one ounce of brain power talking thinking or debating the merits or lack thereof of fat women or skinney women or earth women or alien women? ?? Me I’m done with women. I am not about to spend time energy money time or anything else looking for NAWALTs or unicorns or skinney women or fat women. Guys I’m MGTOW I left that table a long time ago.I invite all of you to do the same.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[JjParticipant 178]

This is a topic has has been go over again and again yet ppl still have instinctual actions acting perceived of defending woman. Our whole f~~~ing economy is run by statically  unhealthy overweight women with bad personalities who get to be apart of the mainstream U.S.A by using the welfare system. I have been abstinent from Sex and woman over a year now, just because I walk my own path does not mean that I believe these topics are irrelevant, they are even more relevant.

[JjParticipant 178]

 

 

Same old answer to this same old topic. Either ppl get personal, defensive, then project or they play the “I’m going my own way and that’s no relevant to me and I and voicing my disapproval and patting myself on the back at the same time.

[ComingInHotParticipant 160]

Gentlemen,  I think what happened here was a slight misinterpretation and just a snowball effect.  While I don’t agree with an ad hominem attack on a person in any sense of the words, I believe all of us can learn something here.  We just need to step back and see what happened.

He was just saying there is a double standard, and there truly is, and it is not just in porn with bbw etc.  You can go on youtube right now and find a dozen videos by “feminists” who say they like being fat and fat is beautiful and my favorite: “… I like the way my stomach giggles going up the steps.”

That mindset effects people, there is an obesity pandemic in america.    I just graduated college less then a year ago and am doing grad work and the majority of women are overweight and ugly, which is a bad combo.

Here is an example.  There is 10 women:      Then there is 10 men:  ………of those 10 women 4 are obese, 3 are ugly =7  that means guys are going to be going after 3 women who have average looks and are in somewhat good shape.  That is 10 guys going after 3 women, that is a problem.

Being BBW is not only in porn, it is the new fat acceptance movement, pushed by feminists and also by companies like dove etc.

I think this shows both sides of the debate, lets try not to resort to name calling, disagreements are great it allows us to look inward and resubmit our outlook, views etc to be read and debated in a friendly manner.  We are all men here and sometimes quick to snap, but we are not each others enemy we may disagree but wholeheartedly we cant afford to bicker within when we are in the struggle of our lives being assaulted by women, the media and unfair laws against men.

I counted 482 women one day walking through my campus.  I would only have had sex with 38 and I have by no stretch of the imagination high standards.  The other 400+ women were hideous: looked like they got hit by a 150 pound bag of what the f~~~.  Were obese, were a combo of the two, or had some form of anomaly that I couldn’t get over ie jacked up teeth looking like jaws, a huge curved nose looking like a bird beak etc.

There is a problem in our society, and it isn’t men, that is for sure!

[megatoad69Participant 449]

I fully understand where you are coming from Jj, but that doesn’t change the fact that I like the thick ones, (not the saggers).

And why, why, why, are overweight men the biggest critics of fat women?

My mind brings me to a guys I’ve known, “Oh she’s fat man!”

(as I look at the big ugly gut sticking way out there on him.)

 

Anyway, just to add, making criticisms of the appearances of women does nothing to help the mgtow movement. it just seems petty, even though Jj is right, that women are told they feel great and fabulous what ever they do or however they appear.

But men get no support, like ‘hey pal, it’s OK you have a low paying job that makes you unappealing to women”,  ‘Poor boys are cool too’

You can't reason with unreasonable, there; women, figured out, there is nothing to reason.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

I just think it’s unhealthy to spend too much time thinking that anything makes one woman better than another.It leads into NAWALT thinking.Like “Well she’s really hot and has a good figure and she can cook” or “over here or or there the women look better.” IDGAF how a woman looks because her looks are not my problem.I left the plantation so I don’t pick cotton or women anymore

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[AlbertParticipant 646]

ComingInHot wrote:

Lets try not to resort to name calling, disagreements are great it allows us to look inward and resubmit our outlook, views etc to be read and debated in a friendly manner.  We are all men here and sometimes quick to snap, but we are not each others enemy we may disagree but wholeheartedly we cant afford to bicker within when we are in the struggle of our lives being assaulted by women, the media and unfair laws against men.

Wisdom. +1 from me.

E=MC² Bitch

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

I just don’t give a a f~~~ about skinny women or fat women. About what half or 2 thirds of the American population is overweight???? I don’t know but I don’t care.Not my problem and nothing I can do about it.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[JjParticipant 178]

 

 

I did not delete these Score Voluptuous magazine. I like variety and masterbate to these Cubbies even though I prefer a healthy body type, I’m a celibate going on a year now. I’m interested in why a functionally useless  (<— don’t get upset this is a metaphor) unhealthy statically parasitical vain narcissistic female has more social value than a man. Can’t a man be sexy too???? Can’t a variety of men be deemed as beautiful??? Why is this subject so jarring to both men and women? WHAT IS REAL BEAUTY? WHAT IS SEXY??? WHY ARE MEN’S AND WOMEN’S femininity and masculinity so wrapped up in this meat grinder of a culture? We have all herd the answers to this and this subject has gone through so many cycles yet it is such a touchy topic anywhere I go.

What is human worth?? What are healthy standards??? How do you measure worth or beauty.

Men complain day and night concerning woman being held to no standards but when you put this in the context of sexual arousal the lizard brain takes over. Zoom this s~~~ out to space and beyond. I’ll bang a cubby space alien if it makes everyone feel more comfortable. I’ll take one for the home team, planet earth!

[JjParticipant 178]

 

 

More pushin for the cushion dude; nothing wrong with that. I’m appalled by women not following social dynamics and instead act like men are supposed to earn her? Honestly; this is the reason why only 20% the population of men get to mate with 80% of the woman, but the kickers is that the majority of the woman of the United States are overweight, bad attituded warthogs who don’t need no man and are allowed to be to apart of mainstream society via the welfare state. A women can generate almost twice as much income abusing the welfare system at the cost of men and rewarded with acceptance via any ugly bad attitude soulless female has more social value than a virtuous single male? I’m tired of seeing men “take what the can get” and destroy themselves in the process. Men have worth! A Man has more f~~~ing worth than parental alienation, Cubby magazines, more personal worth than the welfare state. This notion of “female acceptance” in turn makes men even more society worthless.

[JjParticipant 178]

To clarify again; I have no issues with what a man deems to be sexy. This is 100% not about that, in no way or form was it on my mind. The bigger picture is what I seek. Looking for more answers and no topic will ever be off subject because of perceived popularity. I don’t give a s~~~ what the neighbors think or perceive. I seek truth, and to understand it. Personal feeling put aside

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

I’m actually ALSO not in favor of the bulls~~~ feminist meme that “all women are beautiful” or that “there’s nothing wrong with being fat.”  I see both sides.  Really it was the “unattractive” statement that bothered me.  “Attractive” is really a huge, overall judgment about a person.  Making it just based on body weight is way shallow.

Also, “fat shaming” does bring into play way to many feminist ideas I don’t buy, so I made a poor choice of words.  I meant to directly address your allegation that they were “unattractive” and should have stuck with that.

I do agree with your points about women being able to get away with being MUCH less healthy than men, and still have men chasing them all over the place.  Women in general get a TON of sexual capital off just being a vaguely female shape and having a vagina.  That is super unfair to men.

Personally, I take this stance.  YES a fat woman can be attractive, and I’m willing to consider a fat woman.  YES an ugly woman can be attractive, and I’m willing to consider an ugly woman.

You know what’s unattractive?  Mean, haughty, demanding bitches.  You know what’s attractive?  A woman who treats a man well.  The weight, physical characteristics (within reason) are just icing on the cake.  If it’s a great cake (i.e., a nice woman), it can be missing a little icing, no problem.  If it’s a lump of s~~~ (i.e, a bitch),  all the icing in the world will not make it a cake.

[JjParticipant 178]

Yes yes sir; you are apathetic and don’t care, and believe that this topic is irrelevant. I disagree, it will always be relevant in my opinion. There is no point for you to post what u have posted other than to pat urself on the back, the truth is your post is irrelevant and you are just kicking “the strawman”. I’ve not a single time posted in the way that u have sir, nothing to pat myself on the back for. Good for you

[JjParticipant 178]

 

 

I will clarify very specifically; when I use the terms “unattractive” “useless” they are metaphors. One woman may be attractive to some men more than others; a prostitute is useful. A unhealthy overweight arrogant woman may have many healthy uses or have many beautiful things or features about her, but… this culture and media is about exploitation and almost always and the cost of a man. “The wall” is a good example of forced measurement of beauty. I do not agree with this way of living, it is a falsehood. The society and culture do not care about non superficial beauty, it is irrelevant. What is relevant is the status quo, young female = worth, man with provisions = worth. Even a woman who has no social value of our past is now worthy of a 19 inch dick Brad Pitt lookalike with billions of dallars, her usefulness, natural beauty are irrelevant. She deserves the world and the state will see to it if she does choose, she will have a slave (the man did not live up to her understanding of what was entitled to her, he does not measure up. No big deal, get him for child support and alimony and this cubby cupcake can $be apart $ of the $ culture  $ through slavery$.) Useless to the world, ruin the family unit and economy.

[Anonymous 23]

I got bored after 5 posts of what looked to be women talking to each other but I agree with JJ on this. Packaging fat people as anything other than a symptom of an unhealthy lifestyle is immoral and wrong. I also dislike thin girls and their entitlement (I like that middle ground, curvy, feminine and ladylike) but my opinion on fat people is the same as it is with all those “trans/kin” gendered people – As a society we need to be assisting them medically, not confirming to them that they are fabulous as they are.

[JjParticipant 178]

You are missing the point, I’m in agreement. The “ugly” the “beautiful” ones, what’s the f~~~ing difference. Add to a conversation, don’t subtract from it. Feel free not to do so

[KeymasterKeymaster]

JJ are you back to stir up s~~~ with other members again?

Don’t.

Didn’t you learn anything from your previous episode?

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

Keymaster wrote:

……………JJ are you back to stir up s~~~ again? Don’t.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

A few days ago, we became the number one MGTOW Forum online (if you google “mgtow forum”) and it’s because were doing something right. It’s our responsibility to make sure if a hostile tone is present, it is directed more outwardly (at the world) than inwardly at other members. MGTOW are the last place on Earth were men are accepting of being told their preferences and life choices are not acceptable.

Trust everyone understands this. That’s all.
Have an excellent weekend.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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