Video: Would MGTOW exist if?

[WolveParticipant 191]

[RoyDalParticipant]

There have always been confirmed bachelors all through history. I think there would be far fewer modern day MGTOW, and we would be a lot less vehement, if society was not rigged so heavily against men. If I had a reasonable chance for a successful family and a bit of happiness along the way, I very well might have gotten married. Big if. The way things are now, marriage is living suicide.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

It’s always been rigged heavily against men and if anyone thinks “MGTOW wouldn’t exist if….” that’s complete bulls~~~. We know this because we have several in-print references of the exact term “Men Going Their Own Way” dating back to 1835 – all the way through the 1900’s. Before WWI and WWII. So it’s not some recent cultural explosion. Prior to 1997-1999 there was no internet to google anything. There wasn’t even the ability to Google. Since damn near every second introduction begins with “had no idea this even existed!!! So happy to find this place” MGTOW exists to a degree …. not even they (or we) are aware of.

MGTOW has been around for centuries. Jesus Christ could be called one and Galileo too. He’s a good example from 600 years ago. But he didn’t have the ability to chat with other smart Galileos, simply log in and say “Hey have any of you other smart motherf~~~ers noticed the Earth is not the center of the Universe? I’m pretty sure it’s not flat either”.

Women simply HATE it when men get together to compare notes. If you’re talking about stupid useless stuff like sports, cars, work or beer, the wives like men in that spot. But as soon as the conversation turns to women and you start to show a real awareness and pushback…. they get very nervous and want to break it up. Because it’s now GAME OVER for them.

They like to keep men working, busy and distracted. My own brother has been a husband for 15+ years and father for 12+ years. He hasn’t sat in a room by himself to organize a single thought in exactly that long. Even when he flies out of town to some cool city for a business trip, he doesn’t book an extra day to chill by the pool – or hang out with me – or by himself…. he flies back THE MINUTE it’s over. He’s a good little slave.

Changing laws that make sure you don’t get financially f~~~ed in a divorce is not a benefit. That’s like giving a man a hand grenade saying OK you don’t have to be careful now, because we have removed the explosive element and it won’t blow up in your face when you pull the pin.

“WOW!!! AWESOME!!! I DIDN’T GET F~~~ED BY THE DIVORCE AND FAMILY COURTS!!!! DAMN I’M LUCKY!!”

Only in a sick society would that be cause for celebration.

Changing the way society is pitted against men is not a benefit for men. Even they remove the draft men will still sign up for the military because they have been duped into thinking the country they are prepared to die for has any value worth fighting for. Removing the draft isn’t doing men any favors. Making sure you don’t lose millions in a divorce isn’t a BENEFIT for you. MGTOW will exist regardless.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 1]

I think (and dare I say, feel?) the same way. Mgotw would exist, regardless of Nawalt. It was a matter of time until men realized that he gains more living by his own terms than to have another grow up to keep caring for, with little to no benefit in return.

I take my parents as an example to a certain degree. Make no mistake, I love both of them (my mother and my father), but I think I would be unhappy if I got myself a wife that does anything but be at home, doing nothing, receiving all the benefits I would be sweating to gather. My parents are from another time, so my father slave himself away with a smile on his face, and my mother “supports” him to a certain extent, but I fear that’s not healthy to none of the 2. My father becomes emotianly dependent to my mother, and my mother becomes dependent on everything else (including emotional support) from my father. It is saddining, really.

I even saw in one youtube video that, the main reason herbivore men went so deep in Japan, was not because of their women per se, but economic power. Men just saw it was not worth it. No great gathering, or comparison of notes (as far as I can tell, which is not much, just speculation) like we are having here on the west. So, if anything, feminism not only speed up the process that would naturally occur, but it is going to backfire BADLY on females. At this point, females can say whatever they want, actions speak louder than words and women still want their cake and eat it too.

So yeah, either way, it is just a matter of time for men to walk away. The only choice women have is to walk beside us or be left behind.

I wonder which one they will choose.

 

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

As long as there are Men there will be MGTOW, because Going Your Own Way is what being a Man is.

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

sidecar wrote:

As long as there are Men there will be MGTOW, because Going Your Own Way is what being a Man is.

Exactly. I think a lot of us think that the stereotype of men being nervous and stuttering when we’re around women is socially influenced; it’s not how we would normally react. We’re responding to years of conditioning the idea of being “less than” or having to “earn” a beautiful woman’s time/attention/interest. It’s not real, though.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

sidecar wrote:

As long as there are Men there will be MGTOW, because Going Your Own Way is what being a Man is.

Absolutely agree is the PREMIERE masculine trait. Not just about being social proofed “leader” / alpha everyone pretends to want to aspire to (Hitler?) …. but being able to stand on your own with perfect solitude when in a crowd and nobody is following. That is what separates the MGTOW. They don’t need “a following” (or popularity) to “feel like” they are right in order to know what is right. A MGHOW knows it within himself already.

“It is easy in the world to live after the world’s opinion. It is easy in solitude to live after our own. But the great man is he who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude.”
– Ralph Waldo Emerson

It’s unclear if the man in the photo above was thinking about something else (like food) or if he defiantly refused to raise his hand. But they didn’t care about WHY he didn’t raise his hand. And shot him anyway.

MGTOW already existed +70 years ago in that photo.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Even without the laws and feminism, women would still throw men under the bus. Women can claim rape, domestic violence, mental abuse etc. It’s a woman’s nature to lie. I haven’t met a woman that didn’t lie. You wonder why men drink so much? Hell if women went through what us men went through in marriage or divorce they would be drinking like there’s no tomorrow. Sex isn’t enough of a benefit. Cooking isn’t a benefit either.
I’m going my own way because I know women’s true nature that’s it.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[WolveParticipant 191]

Keymaster wrote:

Sidecar wrote:

As long as there are Men there will be MGTOW, because Going Your Own Way is what being a Man is.

Absolutely agree is the PREMIERE masculine trait. Not just about being social proofed “leader” / alpha everyone pretends to want to aspire to (Hitler?) …. but being able to stand on your own with perfect solitude when in a crowd and nobody is following. That is what separates the MGTOW. They don’t need “a following” (or popularity) to “feel like” they are right in order to know what is right. A MGHOW knows it within himself

Exactly my point in the video ^^ although I would like to add that men naturally want to share their knowledge and insights with their brothers.

[WolveParticipant 191]

RoyDal wrote:

There have always been confirmed bachelors all through history. I think there would be far fewer modern day MGTOW, and we would be a lot less vehement, if society was not rigged so heavily against men. If I had a reasonable chance for a successful family and a bit of happiness along the way, I very well might have gotten married. Big if. The way things are now, marriage is living suicide.

Exactly but eventually MGTOW would grow anyways wouldn’t it because the people that would become the most famous in the modern world are those who improve themselves for their OWN goals and isn’t that what MGTOW is? A simple manifestation of men wanting to follow their passion or desiring to find their passion and reason in life?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Wolve wrote:

RoyDal wrote:

There have always been confirmed bachelors all through history. I think there would be far fewer modern day MGTOW, and we would be a lot less vehement, if society was not rigged so heavily against men. If I had a reasonable chance for a successful family and a bit of happiness along the way, I very well might have gotten married. Big if. The way things are now, marriage is living suicide.

Exactly but eventually MGTOW would grow anyways wouldn’t it because the people that would become the most famous in the modern world are those who improve themselves for their OWN goals and isn’t that what MGTOW is? A simple manifestation of men wanting to follow their passion or desiring to find their passion and reason in life?

A core part of MGTOW now isn’t the improving oneself, but the avoidance of women to sum degree, right up to marriage, because women are seen as evil, either by nurture or nature, and that evil must be combated and avoided.  Doing your own thing is a byproduct of this, but seems to be embedded in, but not the main focus.  Look at the bulk of the threads on here related to MGTOW.  They are all over the ways women are evil.  They are far less about men going their own way to do what they way.  It is about validating a narrative that women are evil, or at least act evil because of societal norms make them so.

The appealing part, I see, which would lead to more growth, is the focus on what you said.  But that isn’t the focus now apparently.  There is arguments over the nature of women now, with some said “extreme” views being opposed by others in MGTOW.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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