24 year old virgin

[IgnisParticipant 157]

Hi guys.

I did not told my entire story but the title says it all. I am a virgin, a 24 year old virgin.

Since I discovered MGTOW the world shifted and turned upside down. Everything made sense since then.

I started this post mainly to hear what you guys have to say about my situation. Sometimes the whole subject (women, relationships, etc) turns a bit confusing. I never had sex with a girl, not even a blowjob. The good thing is that I can explain why:

After I turned 17 and went to the gym girls started to approach. I could say I do well with women, whenever I set eyes on a girl I know there is a 60% chance she is interested. It seems I have good eye or select women that I know are attracted to me.

What I did always worked. But I was afraid of being aggressive and do what I wanted: F~~~ them. Its was like all my feminized childhood beliefs started to say “you should respect her” “if she doesn’t want to f~~~ its okay, give her time” What I did not know was that most women do not take the initiative. I am sure they wanted to be f~~~ed but I was scared of “ruin it”.

I was in situations where I could have had sex but was not agressive enough, so it all ended in nothing.

So this pretty sums it all. It´s weird being a virgin MGTOW. I know what women are capable of, that they are not worth all of our efforts. But if I never tasted the “prize” how can I know is not worth it? I mean, I know it because of the stories all of you share here, and because I see relationships falling apart around me. But not because I experienced it.

I sometimes want to have sex with a woman, to experience it. But I don´t want to deal with all their crap.

Hope to hear from you guys.
(As always, sorry for my english)

 

[Anonymous 14]

30 year old virgin here, and honestly, I don’t give a f~~~, quite literally. Who, when and why put such a high premium on not being a virgin, we’ll never know. But if to join the non-virgins club I’ll have to shove my dick inside some ugly, foul smelling t~~~ belonging to some twit with even worse credentials, with the attitude as if she is doing me a f~~~ing favour not to mention the risks involved,  then no thank you, I’ll gladly remain a virgin for the rest of my natural life.

But you know what, this term virgin doesn’t really work on men, especially MGTOWs. Because, 1. Men don’t have a f~~~ing flower to get deflowered to begin with and 2. When you have your hand that does the the job way more efficiently than any woman ever could, plus is risk free, pregnancy free and will never ever say “NO” so why bother?

[Eric LauderParticipant 84]

“But if I never tasted the “prize” how can I know is not worth it?”
Exact. I’m older than you, and my suggestion is: try it.
With an escort: it’s not dangerous. It will be an interesting experience.
I can share my personal experience – I’m not virgin, I’m 41 yo, I’m divorced.
Before my marriage I had sex with a lot of females, I don’t know the exact number, for sure more than 30, probably around 40, maybe even 50. In a matter of about 8 years. I’m not sure about the number but I know my relations lasted about 3-4 months each, but sometimes less, and sometimes I had two different relations at the same time. There were even two more long relations, 6-8 months each, but I cheated with both girls, multiple times. After I started to chase females, I do not remember a single day without an ongoing relation.
After that, I married. 13.5 years, two sons. Never cheated.
MY JUDGEMENT:
Sex with females is not about your physical pleasure, it’s about the satisfaction to get a prey and to show to yourself you’re able to give pleasure to a female. Your orgasm is just a detail, only female orgasm really matters, for both sides…females aren’t generally interested in the pleasure of the MAN. For a MAN the best thing a female can do is a FELLATIO, but females are generally very avaricious in giving it: they use it like a prize if you perform well in many other things. Also, young females are not good performers of fellatio…the so-called PIV is nothing special: you have to wear LaTeX (condom) or she can take the pill: if she take the pill her sexual desire drop to about 10% of the sexual desire of the MAN (usually she’s at 20-25%) and by so you’ll f~~~ very rarely if she take the pill.
OK, lets’s start with PIV: you have to concentrate your attention on her: she can reach the orgasm only if you are able to wait, to control yourself, to not reach orgasm before her. If you reach orgasm before her, all is ruined and you will be ashamed. I reached orgasm before the females no more than 8-10 times in all my life.
I was quite great, I know. 🙂
But after years and years, finally I just realized: WHO THE HELL CARES OF THEIR PLEASURE??? 🙂
Now, I don’t care anymore: I’m absolutely uninterested in her pleasure, now.
And, my conclusion is, sincerely, that I think a female in the bed is a great LIMITATION to my sexual pleasure.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

“But if I never tasted the “prize” how can I know is not worth it?”

Simple. You don’t need to personally murder someone to know that its’ WRONG.

You don’t need to personally sign a marriage contract to know that it fails a cost/benefit analysis.

You don’t need to personally be dragged through a miserable divorce either.

You don’t need to personally shag 1, 30 or 100 women to know that her “price” is too high – or it’s not worth it.

In fact… the only chance sex that IS worth it, is when there is no price (or condition) attached to it. Because she is getting laid too.

All this is important, because there is a genuine misconception that MGTOW are nothing but a bunch of incels (involuntary celibates). But even the male virgin who voluntarily decides – in advance – that it’s not worth it is not an incel. He has merely determined it fails a cost/benefit analysis.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

Dont worry about it too much mate, dont get me wrong sex is awesome fun but frankly not worth it for the bulls~~~ you have to put up with. Find a decent brothel or escort service if you really want to.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[Eric LauderParticipant 84]

I’m not sure the misconception about MGTOW as a bunch of involuntary celibates is always genuine – frankly I think is very often a mistification just made by the manginas to justify THEIR ridicolous attitude towards females – pussy is not bad, it can be a good PSYCHOLOGICAL satisfaction sometimes – but, seriously, a MAN cannot live all his life with a female paying an enormous price for some pussy.
And when you’ll try an escort, remember: the escort is a professionist of pleasure, a girlfriend is always worse than an escort, and a wife is always, on the whole, worse than a girlfriend – so you’ll have a good hint.

[jambearParticipant 282]

@ignis

I have only used escorts my whole life and the experience for me was , eh. When I finally had sex it was nothing special and seemed kinda boring. I regret having sex now because if I did not I would be able to call myself a virgin, and that would be awesome. But I would suggest to make up your own mind, use an escort if you want to try it, if you are worried about becoming addicted to it like some sort of drug remember this. Even one hit  of heroin is not enough to get you addicted. For what it is worth sex is lame save your virgin title and wear it proudly.

[Anonymous 14]

My apology for my last post here. I wrote it just after I had this heated debate with a retarded cousin sister of mine who has made it her divine duty to call me up every now and then and lecture me about how my bachelor forever life is slowly killing me and how it is my divine duty to procreate, for that is why God created me.

You see, I had an extremely conservative upbringing. My family was(and still is) deeply steeped in ancient ideologies and traditions and even though not all of it were bad but they were extremely restrictive nonetheless. We were taught to place our family and honour before ourselves. By the time I reached adulthood I had transcended most of those conservatisms but at the same time being open minded individual I did recognise the importance of some of those traditional values, so I decided to incorporate them in to my set of principles.

One of those principles is about being a hardcore monogamist. I’m yet to meet a single person who agrees to this principle of mine though. Being a hardcore monogamist means I have decided that I would not put my penis up for sale. Just like sexual exclusivity in a relationship, my sexual exclusivity in life will be with that woman I decide to spend the rest of my life with. Now do not consider me deluded with the concept of the perfect woman. There is no such thing as a perfect human being and I have no such unrealistic expectations. Rather the right woman for me should be someone who is more human than a woman. She definitely must be flawed but there should be absolute compatibility with me not just physically and mentally but spiritually as well. I am pretty sure I’ll never find anyone like that but I am not exactly wasting my time looking either. I am just trying to enjoy life Going My Own Way. So you see, virginity for me is more of a choice than anything else.

I am not an involuntary celibate either because in my lifetime I’ve had sex offered to me way more than I have wanted and strangely enough most were from women who were much older to me. From a piano teacher who intentionally unbuttoned the top of the blouse to make her cleavage visible and placed her hand on my lap and uncomfortably close to my crotch while showing me a chord or two, to distant relatives, newly wed wife of a friend(whom I made a post about in the Relations~~~s section), next door neighbours(about whom I’ll make a post soon if find things going out of hand), and household helps(maid/housekeeper) one of whom after failing to lure me with all her antic decided to do a little striptease in my room only to lose her job. Could’ve ruined her pretty badly and even get her arrested but she was deadbeat with a 2 year old kid and I was just too lucrative an insurance policy that would have solved all  her problems. Gotta admire her survival instincts.

So you see I am not exactly an Incel but I see life as it comes down to two choices, what anyone else in my shoes would’ve done and what I would do.

“Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—   
I took the one less traveled by,   
And that has made all the difference.”
-The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Ignis,

Your worth as a person is not defined by sex or having a significant other.

If it happens, it happens. Please remember our warnings and proceed with caution.

Fuck this planet.

[IgnisParticipant 157]

Thanks for your opinions ,guys. For now I will keep my  dick intact. There is simply too much risk, too much to lose if I dont do it with a sane person.

@cap285
Thanks Cap.I know. The thing is this natural necesity we all have or had. But I will not move an inch to be with a woman. If I can get it  for free and without doing nothing  I´ll do it. But if I have to work for a pussy, forget it.

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

But if I have to work for a pussy, forget it.

Women will ALWAYS test you. Try to see how far you’re willing to go for it; it shows them the value you hold THEM in. Too many women define themselves by their vagina and how far a man is willing to go for them since they cannot seperate the two.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[TYEParticipant 291]

I am a 17 old year old virgin turning 18 soon (Thanks to being Home Schooled lol :D) it’s no big deal honestly losing your virginity is nothing to brag about, and those that do are Manginas that require women for social validation. Do I want to have sex some day? Sure. It’s not the end of the world if it takes me longer to find someone I actually want to screw, because I don’t believe in that find the right one crap. I will also not be having sex until I get my vasectomy, and the operation is confirmed as a complete success by a doctor I can trust, after that sex will happen when it happens i’m not going to chase it, but if its offered why the hell not.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

<cite>@fitzbones said:</cite>
Women will ALWAYS test you. Try to see how far you’re willing to go for it; it shows them the value you hold THEM in. Too many women define themselves by their vagina and how far a man is willing to go for them since they cannot seperate the two.

This!

If I’m out and get approached, I give it one hour. If we’re not leaving to go f~~~, back to whatever game is on the bar TV. If I’m watching hockey I tell them if they want to chat me up to it between periods (pun intended).

Fuck this planet.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

Women are generally character disordered. When you’re a person like that, it’s hard to hold on to that delusion of perfection. So, there you employ a whole slew of defense mechanisms. Project, reaction formation, etc. We dismiss this in women though, thinking it’s no big deal, but when we see it in men we bash them.

When women come up with their defenses, we’ll literally go out of our way to accommodate them. There’s a “therapist” who gets naked, and hypnotizes men to get them to conform to her feminist ideals. She’s very likely reaction forming because this is her way to get her sexual urges to get naked in front of men and be sexy, but she doesn’t want to be considered a sex worker who likes to be naked, so she frames it as a very pitiful feminist framework. She’s very sick. Her name is Sarah White.

Sarah White is lauded on vice.com and on mainstream media, but she’s very dangerous.

[Anonymous 14]

<cite>@peterfa said:</cite>
Women are generally character disordered.

Exactly and most manginas are neurotic. Perfect combo.

<cite>@peterfa said:</cite>
There’s a “therapist” who gets naked, and hypnotizes men to get them to conform to her feminist ideals. She’s very likely reaction forming because this is her way to get her sexual urges to get naked in front of men and be sexy, but she doesn’t want to be considered a sex worker who likes to be naked, so she frames it as a very pitiful feminist framework. She’s very sick. Her name is Sarah White.

Holy s~~~. Just Googled her found her website. She isn’t even that attractive. I mean yeah she’s okay but she looks like some college undergrad paying her tuition fees by doing underwear modelling, type. And are some of those manginas that weak that they go into a trance on seeing a naked woman? I’d like her to try her s~~~ on me someday, I’ll just stay and pretend until she finishes then flip her the bird and leave.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

Well, you’re exactly right that they’re neurotic and it is a perfect and sick combo.

This woman is very dangerous. While under hypnosis and sexually aroused, people are very vulnerable to suggestion, even more so without the arousal. She’ll be using feminist theory to “fix” the man, who is already really messed up, hurting and trying to get help. She’s going to break most of her patients.

[BigChefParticipant 1]

I feel the same way, about just wanting to experience sex. I don’t really feel a need to prove myself to society by doing it, I’m just curious, sort of like experimenting with drugs; I just want to know what it’s like.

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