US Foreign Policy Debacle and Collapse

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Yes brothers our country has stepped into the s~~~ again. Turkey has decided to go to war with the Kurds—officially. What does this mean? Turkey is in theory a NATO ally and the US is treaty bound to assist any NATO ally immersed in a military conflict. Now here is the problem:

a) Turkey is a NATO ally in name only–its government openly threatens Europe with the threat of using mass immigration as a weapon. They refused to aid in the destruction of ISIS.

b) The Kurds are the principal native force WE supported in the war with ISIS.

So what do we do now? Abandon the Kurds and kick them to the curb like we’ve done before to MANY supposed allies; OR do we continue to back them against a member of NATO?

Only our Government would be stupid enough to allow themselves to get caught in such a trap—its embarrassing.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2018/01/21/turkey-launches-air-ground-offensive-u-s-backed-kurdish-militia-syria/

[Anonymous 54]

Morons.

We should stick with the Kurds.

How many times do they have to left hanging out to dry.

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

One middle east war starts to come to a close, another starts.

mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

[JB BooksParticipant 3182]

Don’t care… not in the top 100 things important to me…

We just don't realize life's most significant events while they're happening. Back then, I thought, "Well, there'll be other days". I didn't realize that that was the only day. - "Moonlight" Graham

[It’sallbsParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

So what do we do now? Abandon the Kurds and kick them to the curb like we’ve done before to MANY supposed allies

That’s exactly what will happen Pistol.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[Anonymous 54]

There is a large Kurd Population where I live.
Yes their legal.

Nice hardworking People that are Very Proud to now call themselves Americans.

How many f~~~ing times are we going to do them wrong?

Bill, feel free to jump in, with some real
knollage on this.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Your government always does everyone wrong Hoky Koky.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[AstroParticipant 2045]

We have screwed the Kurds far too many times for helping us. Turkey has become a radical Islamic nation and is no longer a democracy. Screw the Turks and screw NATO as well if they don’t like it.

[Anonymous 54]

Astro wrote:

We have screwed the Kurds far too many times for helping us. Turkey has become a radical Islamic nation and is no longer a democracy. Screw the Turks and screw NATO as well if they don’t like it.

Yeah Sparky! Standing up for my Kurd Buddies!

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Astro wrote:

Turkey has become a radical Islamic nation and is no longer a democracy.

Yes and prominent people in the UK were warning about Turkey 15 – 20 years ago.

I remember an article “a chilling wind blows through Turkey” from about 2000.

But of course the brainwashed simp masses in their 9to 5 s~~~ wage slave job get their cheap 7nights in Bodrum flying easyjet so all’s well with the world.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Astro wrote:

screw NATO

https://www.davidicke.com/article/419677/nato-instrument-us-imperial-power-masquerading-freedom-loving-military-alliance

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

This policy of the enemy of my enemy is my friend has backfired so spectacularly so often I fail to understand why it is still attempted.

mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Since Erdogan is an aggressor and Turkey is not attacked by some foreign forces, then Article 5 can’t be applied.

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Suggestius wrote:

Since Erdogan is an aggressor and Turkey is not attacked by some foreign forces, then Article 5 can’t be applied.

I’m with you brother but just wait and see how they wiggle around it.

[KolaxisParticipant 668]

Astro wrote:

Screw the Turks and screw NATO as well if they don’t like it.

Couldn’t have said it better myself, Sparky. Turkey is a NATO affiliate in name only. Every agenda they have is counter to the principles that NATO was founded on. Not that NATO is what it once was, either.

Jackie: How do you write women so well?
Melvin Udall: I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I think Kolaxis is right on point as well. NATO is a farce…a bad joke and it is high time for it to go the way of the dinosaur. It serves no useful purpose whatsoever.

[narwhalParticipant]

I could be wrong, and I’m far from an expert, but I’m not seeing how our membership in NATO means that we are obligated to assist Turkey in invading Syria. If the Kurds were attacking Turkey from Syria, that would be different, but that’s not what’s happening here. Turkey is attempting to use the current political environment as cover so they can wipeout the kurds outside of their territory before they have a chance to assist the kurds inside their territory…in case that ever happens. I fail to see how this is a US problem or an obligation of NATO membership.

Honestly, if NATO members have more of an obligation to help build the wall between Mexico and the US then we do to help out Turkey her. In the Mexico/US case, we actually are being invaded.

As far as the Kurds go, I don’t think we obligated ourselves to arm and defend them against all their enemies. We simply allied with them against a common enemy when it was beneficial to both parties. It’s not really any different then when France assisted the US during the American Revolution. It’s not as if France was bound to protect the US till the end of time.

All that said, I do think it’s in the US best interest to use political pressure to discourage Turkey from this action. I doubt it will end up being a bad move for Trump as long as we don’t use military. Military usage will be used against Trump by the democrats.

Ok. Then do it.

[MonkParticipant 17046]

All this assumes that American Foreign Policy is actually set by Americans.

It isn’t.

Once that fact is grasped, the method behind the seeming madness becomes clear.

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

😀 Unfortunately they have changed the words of the speech. In 2001 I had this one with more taunting words about American playboy soldiers and blah-blah-blah. And there were no words about the revolution. I can’t remember all the speech.

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

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