"Until we are able to determine and understand this problem…"

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Hi guys. I want to talk about Trump a bit more. There is one aspect of the Donald that everyone seems to miss.

Here is the Donald’s most infamous quote:

“Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again”

This quote is highly controversial … but I think that many people are misinterpreting it. The quote contains the words “Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses”. That is the one part of the quote that just about everyone ignores.

My attitude towards Islam is pretty complicated, and tied to my own personal experiences. I had plenty of Muslims friends throughout my childhood. In terms of personality, they were all different. Some were jokers. Some were popular kids. Some were shy, bookish intellectuals. Some were bullies. Of course, the Muslim bullies I knew as a teen spent time with other non-Muslims bullies. They spent almost no time with the nicer Muslims.

There is a sizable Muslim minority where I live and they honestly haven’t given me any trouble since high school. It’s hard for me to hate Islam, given that I use Muslims Uber drivers sometimes. I have friendly chats with them. Most of them seem to be ordinary, working class men who love their job.

Of course, this brings us to the whole Skittles analogy. Some of the Muslim refugees are dangerous. This means that taking in Muslims refugees is potentially dangerous. Unlike the liberals, I recognize that the Skittles analogy is totally valid. It is, in fact, dangerous to take in refugees from a country full of religious extremism.

That brings us back to that infamous quote. Trump didn’t say that Islam is metaphysically evil. He didn’t say that the ban on Muslim immigration would be permanent. He said that the ban would last until we figure out what’s going on.

I’m glad, because I know exactly what the f~~~ is going on.

I still think that this “clash of civilizations” is manufactured. It’s been manufactured by war lobbyists ranging from Lockheed Martin to Halliburton to big oil. Islam isn’t metaphysically evil, but nasty interpretations of the Qur’an tend to rise to the surface in times of war.

I still think that the Qur’an is similar to the Bible. Many Christians have argued that the Bible isn’t violent because Jesus advocated nonviolence. However, Jesus clearly said that the Old Testament still counts. This means that the Bible promotes violence and nonviolence at the same time. The Qur’an does exactly the same thing.

Furthermore, our numbers are called “Arabic numerals”. In ancient Europe, people generally used Roman Numerals. “Arabic numerals” were invented in old India. The Arabs later adopted them and eventually passed them onto Europe. Furthermore, the word “algebra” is Arabic in origin. That’s because it was introduced to Europe from the Arabs.

History clearly shows us that something has happened to Islam in fairly recent history. When I say “Islam”, I really mean Middle Eastern Islam. You almost never hear about terror attacks in Kazakhstan or Albania. That’s because those countries don’t have oil and they aren’t that close to Israel.

So … yeah … let’s ban Muslim immigration until we figure out what’s going on. I’m not even being sarcastic. Let’s ban Muslim immigration and then figure out what’s going on. If we follow Ron Paul’s advice, that second part won’t take too long.

That’s my proposition. Let’s cut ourselves off from Islam completely and see what happens. Perhaps they will calm down eventually. Perhaps they won’t. Either way, we can satisfy both sides that way. The counter-jihad crowd can feel safe while progressive theories about Islam are finally put to the test.

No matter what the Muslims do, we will get a positive outcome.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[RoyDalParticipant]

For some reason that I can’t for the life of me fathom, the feminists want floods of Muslims to move in and run my culture for me.

I can get by. I’ll just grow out my beard and maybe take on a few teen queen brides. Bowing to Mecca a few times a day is no burden either.

But how will the feminists, communists, and gays get by? Do they really look for a culture where they, respectively, get stoned, beheaded, and thrown off the tops of buildings?

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 6]

There is an argument that says Islam is the problem. I know quite a few Muslims and their cool people. (The women are absolutely gorgeous). It’s the radicals that are the problems. Just like the Radical Christians in the KKK, were a problem. It’s not the entire religion, just a sect of them.

But yes, the responsible thing is. To wait until we have the capability to properly evaluate who is coming into our country. The FBI, the CIA, and Homeland Security have all said that they don’t have the ability or the manpower to properly figure out who we’re letting in. Add to that the fact that, Isis has said they plan to send their troops into our country by infiltrating our refugee program, and you start to see where the concern comes from. Which makes Obama and Hillary’s plan to bring in millions of refugees, very irresponsible, very unsafe and rather ignorant of the facts.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I must disagree with Venom. There is no such thing as “cool” Muslim. Whether they are a jihadi or not is irrelevant because both follow the same book, and teachings. A “cool” Muslim is just a jihadi in-waiting.

The only difference between a harmless hand grenade and a dangerous hand grenade is the little pin. And once their numbers in a country reach a tipping point the gloves and mask comes off and the pin is pulled.

Case and point–Lebanon, once described as the Switzerland of the middle east. Muslims, Christians Jews all living together in a peaceful prosperous country. Now its a terrorist sewer. What happened? 1/2 million Palestinian “refugees” happened. Here is the pattern they follow everywhere they go:

a) Refugee influx
b) form insular communities
c) impose their religious law in their insular community—because they are home sick for the place they left don’t you know
d) Demand the new country respect “their” culture traditions—ie religious law
e) In order to impose their religious/traditional law they need their own courts
f) In order for the courts to have power they need their own police
g) Their local police quickly morph into a militia
h) Civil war

Next time you are considering “cool” Muslims remember there are over a million Catholics living in Saudi Arabia as guest workers and do you know how many Catholic churches there are in the “center-piece of Muslim toleration”? ZERO Now ask yourself why.

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

RoyDal wrote:

For some reason that I can’t for the life of me fathom, the feminists want floods of Muslims to move in and run my culture for me.

The feminists usually argue that “Most of the refugees are decent people. We can handle the few radicals.” Some of the more clever feminists will blame US foreign policy for Muslim anger.

My point is this: The source of Muslim anger doesn’t matter right now. In the short term, we need to keep them out of the country.

Once that is done, we can experiment with different types of foreign policy. Experimental foreign policy is usually dangerous because of the potential for blowback. A strict immigration policy will keep us shielded from blowback while we experiment.

If we find a way to calm the Muslims down, mission accomplished. Coast is clear. They can come back. If we try everything and the problems with the Middle East never go away, the strict immigration policy stays up.

I’m just distancing myself from the extremists on both sides. At this particular point in time, unrestricted immigration is dangerous. That’s why the liberals are full of s~~~.

Of course, we also have right-wing extremists who argue that the coast will never be clear. How can we say that with confidence? The Middle East is currently a disaster area, but we are being foolish if we argue that it will always be a disaster area. What if we solve the situation and peace returns to the Middle East? It could happen. Should we still keep the Muzzies out if that happens?

The Islamic Golden Age happened. That is a historical fact. The Middle Eastern folk were doing science when my European ancestors were living under feudal lords. We are fools if we let potential terrorists into the country. We are equally foolish if we assume that the Middle East will be full of terrorists for the rest of eternity, no matter what we do to or for them.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[TuneoutParticipant]

Uintatherium wrote:

If we find a way to calm the Muslims down, mission accomplished. Coast is clear. They can come back. If we try everything and the problems with the Middle East never go away, the strict immigration policy stays up.

Thats a no brainer – stop pointless foreign intervention and over throwing of gov’t for bogus reasons i.e. Iraq and WOMD when in reality it’s all about oil supply and keeping the military contractors in business and supporting you politically.

Say what you will about Saddam and the Taliban or Gaddafi and Assad but under these leaders their countries were much more stable than the s~~~ show the West has created there.

If Trump gets in he should stop all foreign intervention and concentrate on making America great again.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

RoyDal wrote:

For some reason that I can’t for the life of me fathom, the feminists want floods of Muslims to move in and run my culture for me.

Because muslim men are bad ass mutherf~~~ers who won’t take their s~~~. All these “marginalized” people really want, I honestly believe, is something to push against. Western men have gone moist and won’t give them anything solid to hit… you can’t beat up a bucket of water… and so they want to bring in some harder men they can try to break (or be broken by) so that they can maintain their identities as oppressed victims.

They’d sacrifice our entire society to maintain that image of themselves and they will do exactly that if we let them.

[raindogParticipant 313]

PistolPete wrote:

a) Refugee influx
b) form insular communities
c) impose their religious law in their insular community—because they are home sick for the place they left don’t you know
d) Demand the new country respect “their” culture traditions—ie religious law
e) In order to impose their religious/traditional law they need their own courts
f) In order for the courts to have power they need their own police
g) Their local police quickly morph into a militia
h) Civil war

Sounds like you’re describing the Israelis…

"Free your mind and your ass will follow. The kingdom of heaven is within." -Funkadelic

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Except of course that Israel is the homeland of the Israelis—The rest of the vermin there need to go. The actual borders of Israel are from the Nile east to the Euphrates so they have a way to go yet–but they will get there.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

And feminists attempted to do this:

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Remember the poison M&M one? Skittles is this same thing, but with Muslims. By this reasoning of needing to understand, apparently, there must be men’s studies for feminists so they can study men, to find out why 10% of us may be poison, so they can be safe.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

PistolPete wrote:

Except of course that Israel is the homeland of the Israelis—The rest of the vermin there need to go. The actual borders of Israel are from the Nile east to the Euphrates so they have a way to go yet–but they will get there.

Alrighty then. The Israelis can do that by themselves.
For some reason, they are “God’s chosen people” and yet they always need America’s help.

We just keep p~~~ing off the jihadists every time we help Israel. It’s time for them to sort out this mess alone.

If Israel gets destroyed, the Israelis can move to America … where they will live like royalty.

“By now Jews in the US are the most privileged and influential part of the population. You find occasional instances of anti-Semitism but they are marginal. There’s plenty of racism, but it’s directed against Blacks, Latinos, Arabs are targets of enormous racism, and those problems are real. Anti-Semitism is no longer a problem, fortunately. It’s raised, but it’s raised because privileged people want to make sure they have total control, not just 98% control. That’s why anti-Semitism is becoming an issue. Not because of the threat of anti-Semitism; they want to make sure there’s no critical look at the policies the US (and they themselves) support in the Middle East.”
– Noam Chomsky (who is Jewish)

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[narrow road travelerParticipant 1680]

Technically Judaism is the hardest group ro join. Thier numbers can’t really swell without having like 7 kids a generation.

Islam is the easiest to join. When they have regional control, convert or die. If you die the Muslims can take all the material you’ve accumulated.

So militant Islam is far a huge problem. When a region is under Islamic authority a nation can reach trade agreements with the ruling class. Example Saudi Arabia, UAE and other firm muslim cultures.

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. --Sun Tsu

[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

What a perfectly reasonable and logical suggestion. I think what you suggested would actually satisfy most people on both sides of this argument. I don’t paint Muslims, or any race/religious idealogy with a broad brush because I have worked with all of them at one point or another. Seems like most are just trying to make a living here like I am. Of course there will always be rotten apples in the bunch. It’s 100% reasonable to keep immigration closed to everyone until this mess gets figured out. However, our government agencies seem to have trouble finding their ass in the dark with both hands and a flash light. Great post brother.

[SolidParticipant 7520]

Obviously a country have an cultural identity, some people who can “get along”, so it’s why it’s something unified.

When two cultures don’t get along, the best solution is to not be near each other, avoid conflicts, easy.

It’s tempting move to USA, is something that I try to do, but instead of bitching I’m researching a lot about your country, understanding it’s laws and how things work there. It’s not my home country, it’s like someone else house, you don’t move to live with other people and bitch about everything, is adapt or move, is not your house, is theirs.

It would be the same if USA citizens start to move to any Arab country, and try to impose their culture there, it won’t work, better be everyone in their own country, living by their own culture, or if move, move to a similar place, where you can get along with people without any suffering from both sides.

[SolidParticipant 7520]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

And feminists attempted to do this:

Remember the poison M&M one? Skittles is this same thing, but with Muslims. By this reasoning of needing to understand, apparently, there must be men’s studies for feminists so they can study men, to find out why 10% of us may be poison, so they can be safe.

I use this same example to say AWALT, but with more precision, if 99.99999% of women are bitches, I won’t marry one to have 1 in 10.000.000 to marry someone who is not a f~~~ing narcissistic psycho bitch. But consider that the number of rapists, will depend a lot of your culture, here, 1 in 100.000 is saying that is too much.

It’s the same thing that this image, but we saying that AWALT makes 10 million times more sense because we have statistics to prove our point, they just have imaginary numbers created by themselves (like 30% wage gap)

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