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I have the giving a lot of thought lately to the effects of a large amount of unencumbered men in the society we know. Absent families or obligations what is the next step on the macro societal level? I would think this would lead to massive social unrest in years to come. I know many of you would say more government however the government is dependent upon the taxpayer mostly men. Thoughts?
Massive social unrest will ultimately lead to massive social improvement from a MGTOW perspective.
The greatest tragedy in life is to spend your whole life fishing only to discover that it was not fish you were after. - Henry David Thoreau
Its leading to lone wolves, soloists or unencumbered men as you say.
The macro civil unrest is due to Gynocracy, not Men. If anything, we inadvertently keep the whole charade going simply out of preserving our own standard of living. They mooch off us, our taxation, our skills, our instinctive altruism…
But we come in many flavors dont we? Millions of single men, each looking after himself carefully. An army of Individuals. Not exactly unified though as each is on his own peculiar island.
Women have honed in on the disturbance in men. They see our resignation, self imposed or not. They are starting to experience the ripples their own irresponsibility created, a sea of withdrawn men. I sat down to dinner in a public burger joint near the theatre. The woman immediately near me within ear shot used the term TFA in context to describe an undesirable male. It was unmistakable, she meant a True Forever Alone type.
Whether I give credence to these labels or not, they are now common parlance! Consequences are multiplying windows are shutting… Women are about to be put in the hot seat Publically for their treachery. Many will believe their halfassed apology and trust them again. I wont! LOL monk!
The woman immediately near me within ear shot used the term TFA in context to describe an undesirable male. It was unmistakable, she meant a True Forever Alone type. Whether I give credence to these labels or not, they are now common parlance!
Yes.
The fact that ‘incel’ and ‘TFA’ have entered the vocabulary of the lowest level hole, is revealing. That they have a negative tone doesn’t matter.
Add to that an avalanche of ‘Where have all the good men gone?’ articles in the press, the surge in egg-freezing and so on.
Despite all their rationalisations, they are beginning to suspect that something is wrong, and that things are not panning out quite as they thought it would.
Many will believe their halfassed apology and trust them again.
Over MY dead Body.
I would rather f~~~ing Party away my next 20 years then EVER take that bait again.
I have the giving a lot of thought lately to the effects of a large amount of unencumbered men in the society we know. Absent families or obligations what is the next step on the macro societal level? I would think this would lead to massive social unrest in years to come. I know many of you would say more government however the government is dependent upon the taxpayer mostly men. Thoughts?
This is the MOST interesting question we have had in a while.
Hmm.
Okay. Lets break this down “Stephan” Are you related to Faust by any chance? He to has a dandy way of compressing a S~~~ ton of information in a small space. 🙂
First lets tackle the Family Obligations. Many of us still have Parents. I’m pretty much at the point that I am looking after my mom. She fell the other day, and she was glad I was outside to pick her up. Yesterday, I noticed that the tree needed to be cut so that it does not fall on cars when driving underneath it. It was dead. So I and a Hispanic guy came over and we tackled the tree. So like it or not, I’m going to be taking care of my mom for QUITE some time. she is getting up there. She is not “Old” yet. But she is getting weaker. So I got my hands full for the most part.
Many other men will have to deal with this as time comes. Sure I got a sister, but she has her own life. So I think many men are going to be doing this as well. This may also secure a Financial future for them as they may or may not get the house. My mom is single, so it seems this is what is going to happen.
On to Social unrest. That is going to be more with the Crack head crowd. They are going to be in the metropolitan cities. If you don’t want to deal with it, then just WHite flight. When you see a HUD housing. Development? Just set it on fire like they do in Oakland. 🙂 (I’m KIDDING!) But there are places like the North West Front that seem to have the values of keeping well order in the community. But they are still somewhat gynocentric. So just be aware of that.
As long as you keep the law enforcement at bay, and keep to small close knit communities, you should be fine. I always like Napa Valley wine country. But to each his own. I also strangely liked Nevada. So the unrest that is going to be faced is going to be in more liberal areas with less then 80% “whites” If Conservative, this number can be as low as 50%. But they must all have the same values. Content of character matters here. A strong heed to nationalism is going to be needed in order to keep the social order.
I suggest staying away from Indian, Muslim, and Asian at large communities. Like it or not, they breed recklessness. Its not the people all themselves, but you must understand, these demographics grant themselves to Vices and are vulnerable to them through the youth. Again, the youth of tomorrow is going to be VERY black pilled.
Crime and terrorism is going to be on the rise in the USA. These groups are breeding. And they are going to be looking for new recruits as the Black population should see a marketable improvement in most areas if further conservatism and victimization ideology slowly wears off.
THe Area’s that are going to experience the most turmoil are going to be the Poor area’s and liberal area’s that tolerate trash. Drug use and so forth.
As far as women, I don’t see anything really major going on. They are simply going to go with the flow. And as there will be less immigration at some point due to war, there will be a need for women in the workplace for some time. However, you will start to see the change of people and attitudes. Slow at first, but there is going to be plenty of changine of hands in the next q0 years. (Swap Draining)
As far as Mass panic? Only in lieu of Terrorist attacks. As long as their is a STRONG hispanic community, this will not gain hold here. Many jailed men will be let out in the next few years. And that is going to secure our security and pleasant way of life. Think of the Roof top Koreans.
Despite women being almost unwanted. You are going to see a surge and sensationalism of perceived female crime and victimhood. These women are slowly going to go crazy as more women take their prized attention sponges. Again, these will be treated marginally differently .
You will see more women Murders as in women killing and self mutilation and drug and substance addiction. Again, for the most part, what you will see is them being lethargic. SO they should not pose to much of a threat.
However, the old guard is going to be fighting to regain control. THis may pose some small issues.
You will see a revival of male culture that’s for sure. It’s one of the good things about our abstraction from the plantation. At least for older men. Look forward to larger meet ups at the car shows etc.
As far a Civil unrest? Real world protests and danger? That’s going to be more of a thing for the the previous victim hood complex folks. You will be seeing a TON of BLACK infighting and Hispanic Infighting. Just stay out of those areas They will be fighting over.
There will be a small push to Religion. However its not going to be Typical christianity. It’s going to be something else I forecast.
Jobs will still be there. Men will move around more. But for the most part its all going to be good for men as deregulation and the need to build our infrastructure is going to be needing a MAJOR overhaul. so it should keep men busy for quite some time. Women will be pretty much left to Medical and so forth. WOmen’s health care needs are going to be Phenomenal. Pay the piper so to speak.
About Taxes, I think this is going to be the shocker. Many more services are going to shrink. Much of the children that will be born will not longer be going to the Public indoctrination centers. In fact many more men will be there to give their time to all boys schools. THat’s the best part. Men in the retirement age are going to revitalize things without women or the state getting in the way.
Women however will continue their slow downward spiral. So they will be begging for female teaching gigs etc. Sadly, they will still be doing the same old thing. As time passes, they will be replaced in due time.
You will be seeing women get very woke to the fact that they do not have a future that was once portrayed. In fact, due to older women being left out in the cold, the younger generation of women are simply not going to know what was lost for quite some time.
Sure there will be stories. But the natural progression to Long Term Relationships are going to slump. In fact the Hook up culture is going to be alive and well.
Unless a Major event or war happens, everything is going to be just fine. If it does? Plan on seeing many women get Red pilled as they get drafted in.
Sooner or later, I say about 25 years, they marriage laws are going to change. THat will be the start of the rebuilding of western civilization. I would not plan on it. I see more of a further progression to A.I. and full fledged BioSynthis of Female and Male robotics. The artificial womb should be well underway at this point. So the change in the laws are going to be mute for a long time.
THe word Niger is going to be out of fashion at some point. So are some other common terms. However, there will be if I can hope a march to save western COnservative values. This may start in the Mormon church first. THe Catholic church will be a long lost shameful memory.
The one thing you are going to stop seeing is male hate. Women hating however is going to be the norm. It will be their curse for as LONG as the next 50 years. There will never be the day that WOMEN ever live out the shame of what they caused. ANd believe me, its going to be put on them SQUALRY.
Universities will eventually become more and more ghost towns. As more people learn online and at home, and as men leave the education to hands on things and learning? there will be little desire for women to do much of anything. But be forced to keep the same broken system going.
Women are going to try to give Feminism one last HOORAH. It’s going to go down in flames as they start looking back at what got them here. And knowing they can never go back to what it once was.
Women are going to be the next working slaves for the next foreseeable future. Men will enjoy living great easy lives. There will be a PUSH to automate as much medical care as possible. Japan will lead the way.
Space exploration after women learn that working really sucks, is going to be the next real major growth milestone. However. Its going to be more robots in space then humans in the next 50 years.
The best part is going to be watching the world change. That is going to be the best part. One day, we will all look back, and wonder how silly we were in the past. And how a resurgence of humanity will come back. Plan on being respected in the future. What we went through to get here, it will be remembered that WE were the Pioneers for change.
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My thoughts are I have one life to live, so I’m just going to do what is good for me. I learned this from watching how women live. I only need a finite amount of money to make it through life, and that amount really isn’t all that large with no wife or kids. I’ll be retiring years earlier and just enjoying life rather than slaving away until I’m well into my 60s. The way I see it, its a net gain for me. Nobody’s final words have ever been “I wish I spent more time in the office,” instead I’ll just get to spend my time relaxing, pursuing hobbies, and traveling. Its a huge loss for society though, as I won’t be supporting a woman, I won’t be raising any kids to be productive members of society, and because I’m not doing those things and spending less years working I’ll be paying less taxes. Also, I have no need for a house or a second vehicle, so I’ll be saving tons of money in property taxes over the years as well.
Will a lot of guys walking away and doing the same potentially be harmful for society as a whole? Absolutely, but what is the alternative? Marry some post waller, pop out a couple kids, and maybe 10 years from now when I could otherwise be retired instead be in divorce court losing my kids, assets, and future income? No f~~~ing way! If women are unhappy and society is going to go down the drain, well, people should have thought a little harder before society became so anti male and women becoming trashy sluts with zero loyalty who could wreck her husband because she isn’t happy became “acceptable.”
Not my fault, not my problem. I’ll be down in South America or Asia in a few more years living on the beach getting happy ending massages whenever I want. All the post wall carousel riders back home will simply be irrelevant.
The macro civil unrest is due to Gynocracy, not Men.
More specifically, it’s due to the gynocracy running out of other people’s money.
But that is not our problem.
Will a lot of guys walking away and doing the same potentially be harmful for society as a whole? Absolutely, but what is the alternative?
It’s a choice between being consumed by society or letting it starve to death.
Let it starve.
As I see it, since the population is roughly 50% male and 50% female, for every unencumbered man out there, there is one unencumbered female. In just the last year, I’ve seen a published statistic that single adults in the US now outnumber married adults. So more than 50% of all adults are single. My thoughts on the future as these trends play out?
I know that I am going to get old alone. I know that somewhere out there is a woman who is also going to get old alone because I chose to stay alone. What society will look like in the next decades depends on the effect of the 2 of us getting old alone, magnified to more than 50% of the population. I don’t really know how well prepared those women are for getting old alone. (I do know that their most valuable asset will continue to deteriorate as they age). I seem to be pretty well prepared for getting old alone. I have always spent less than I’ve earned, and have saved and invested the rest. When I can’t work anymore, it won’t matter. I’ll still be able to pay my bills. Most women I know have spent everything they’ve earned, and spent all of anyone else’s money they could get their hands on as well. Their existence has been subsidized by the transfer of wealth created by men to women. It happened on a personal level as individual men transferred money to individual women (blue pill dating and marriage/divorce), and happens on a mass scale as the government taxes wealth from men and gives it to women with social security, welfare, etc.
Since the wealth transfer by marriages will decrease as the numbers of marriages continue to decrease, I foresee women demanding more wealth transfers from government to make up the shortfall. And although I expect the government to promise them whatever they want, I’m less certain about wether men will continue to earn that wealth as taxation on men’s wealth goes ever higher in order to continue the maintenance. It’s harder to tax a man who is less inspired to earn in the first place.
To me, it’s already clear that women had a much more efficient wealth transfer system when it was mostly a personal, one on one transfer. That system had men voluntarily earning and transferring the maximum possible amount of wealth that they possibly could. I anticipate the coming system of mostly government transfer is going to have men producing the minimum they possibly can, because that’s what people tend to do when you over tax them. They lose the incentive to produce. This is what I call ‘gender based socialism’.
I see the coming government imposed, gender based socialism taking the path that socialism always takes…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
The government exists to serve its electors and itself. All western states are overregulated but government does not know how to go back on regulation. It knows that each regulation confers at least the benefit of a job to the people enforcing it and also in theory exists to give some protection or advantage to some elector. So government far more often creates a new regulation than removes one. This leads to government being very expensive and administering a lot of very expensive systems that give benefits to women.
There is no way the big cuck government will die quietly. It will do its duty to protect its ever increasing number of weak and incompetent electors (women plus men who are the product of socialist education making snowflakes and the breeding of the less capable funded by the taxes of the more capable). The incompetent outweigh the competent already in number.
Single men will be taxed. Every penny will be bled form everywhere it can be as costs mount and incomes drain. That I think is 90% likely. After that is harder to read. There are several scenarios. On the far out and exciting side you have; Government collapse due to a natural disaster it can’t handle because people are so weak or invasion by a race who are not cucks. At the other end of the spectrum you have economic recovery somehow arriving through some sort of breeding restriction/ the return of natural selection, or a descent into socialist hell and poverty before one of the previous scenarios plays out. I am sure there are others too like possibly a gradual change in attitudes brought about by social.
We may or may not live to see but be sure the big cuck state is coming for your savings.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
Anonymous3There is this saying: “there are no feminists in a sinking boat.”
And believe me, this boat is sinking. It is already taking water, but the captain is not announcing anything, because there are no lifeboats.
What I am saying is that once SHTF we will see a dramatic chameleonesc change in women, trying to cling to the nearest available man. And being the blue pill instincts what they are, whatever red pill lessons they might get will be thrown out of the window.
The rationale will be that, in such times, family law is a thing of the past, the police is not responding to idiotic “one phone calls” and no woman in its right mind would leave the security of a man. Yea…
You see, its all superficial. Deep down we are what are genetics makes of us. Take out the negative feedbacks and we get to be white knights all over again.
Take out the positive feedbacks of doing otherwise and women return to the security provided by a man.As I see it, since the population is roughly 50% male and 50% female, for every unencumbered man out there, there is one unencumbered female. In just the last year, I’ve seen a published statistic that single adults in the US now outnumber married adults. So more than 50% of all adults are single.
Ah … but ‘single’ does not necessarily mean childless. We have only to look at the ever increasing army of welfare whores to see that the government statistics are skewed.
I know that I am going to get old alone. I know that somewhere out there is a woman who is also going to get old alone because I chose to stay alone. What society will look like in the next decades depends on the effect of the 2 of us getting old alone, magnified to more than 50% of the population. I don’t really know how well prepared those women are for getting old alone. (I do know that their most valuable asset will continue to deteriorate as they age). I seem to be pretty well prepared for getting old alone. I have always spent less than I’ve earned, and have saved and invested the rest. When I can’t work anymore, it won’t matter. I’ll still be able to pay my bills. Most women I know have spent everything they’ve earned, and spent all of anyone else’s money they could get their hands on as well. Their existence has been subsidized by the transfer of wealth created by men to women.
That’s pretty much been my attitude since my divorce. I’ll have plenty to live on when I retire. I’m lucky enough to work for a company where I’m still in their pension plan so I’ll have a guaranteed monthly income. Between that and what I’ve put away I’ll be fine even if Social Security dries up. At this point my opinion is that a single woman in her 50’s would see me as the last chance to make up for 30 years of s~~~ty financial decisions. I’m not sure what to call that, but I wouldn’t call it love.
To the larger point, there’s something like 7-8 billion people on earth. That sounds like too many. Let the population decrease by a few billion and let people move around to where the jobs and wealth are as it happens. From there the biggest problem is societal attitudes themselves, and religion. Religion may be the single largest cause of death in the history of mankind outside being eaten by a lion or something.
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Not my fault, not my problem.
I choose to also be in that class of men.
1. some men will continue being brokedicks, cucks and pus%y beggars (blue pill)
2. some men will continue to Lament their solitude and misunderstand whats going on (TFL, “Incel”)
3. some men will readily identify whats happening and embrace their independence (MGTOW, MRAs sometimes)
I’ll still be able to pay my bills. Most women I know have spent everything they’ve earned, and spent all of anyone else’s money they could get their hands on as well.
They may very well be horribly prepared for retirement, as a lot of men will be thanks to divorce rape, or even just the fact that some men are horrible with money as well…but the government isn’t going to care if pumpkin has to work until she drops dead. In fact, the government will enjoy it because they’ll still be skimming payroll taxes off her. Sure the government favors women over men, but the government favors government over all. Pumpkin that could have spent her retirement years with you exploring Europe, chilling on a beach in South America, or simply hanging out in a nice house with a pool in the back yard and the grand kids over swimming in it will instead be spending her golden years as the Walmart people greeter or some other mundane, thankless, meaningless job.
Ah … but ‘single’ does not necessarily mean childless.
Absolutely…there is a major difference between a 40-50 year old guy who spent his life saving and investing and a 40-50 year old slore who maybe works a minimum wage job sometimes who just got booted off welfare because all her kids are grown up.
It’s a choice between being consumed by society or letting it starve to death.
Let it starve.
Pretty much. I’m not out to do anything to actively hurt society, I’m just not going to make any unnecessary sacrifices for it.
What I am saying is that once SHTF we will see a dramatic chameleonesc change in women, trying to cling to the nearest available man.
Yup, I think most of us here understand this and are solidifying our resolve to stay MONK.
Single men will be taxed. Every penny will be bled form everywhere it can be
Yup, but even that Grape will turn into a Raisen because the Hive Collective’s thirst is unquenchable. Muwhowhahahahah!
Take out the negative feedbacks and we get to be white knights all over again.
Maybe it will all loop again… but there is a possibility that after a REAL Male Sexual Revolution maybe things will be different. Of course this brings us to Future Tech that removes Sexual Reproduction from women, thus reducing their ability to wreck havoc on the economy by low birth rates, family courts, poor parenting etc… In A Brave New World, children (who are actually born, right now we dont even have enough children) are not brought up uneducated in Ghettos by single mothers and then pick up dangerous memes and become criminals and burdens to the state.
After The Fall, surrogacy and artificial wombs will hopefully dethrone women from the advantage they have over us all, (sexual reproduction) which combined with modernity and social memes, has created an unsustainable human course.
TSingle men will be taxed. Every penny will be bled form everywhere it can be as costs mount and incomes drain.
A straightforward Man Tax has already been proposed in Sweden, but the backlash was such that for the time being at least, it went nowhere. Feminists elsewhere have picked up on it, so it will reappear at some point.
After that is harder to read. There are several scenarios. On the far out and exciting side you have; Government collapse due to a natural disaster it can’t handle because people are so weak or invasion by a race who are not cucks.
Declassified CPUSA documents reveal that one of their long term goals is to engineer a takeover by increasing the welfare burden to the point that the state collapses.
The filth will then take to the streets en masse and the Reds will pose as their saviours.
IMHO
Re: Man taxIf “they” want “social instability”. Go ahead, put an additional single man tax out there. Single men ALREADY pay the most is taxes.
You will successfully cause a real revolution.
Want to see a real “tax revolution” with real physical consequences?
Want to see real oppression of women?
Want to see wholesale liquidation of politicians and other so called “elites”?What some eggheads forget is that “single men” means unmarried and includes MOST of each countries labour force (aka taxpayers), Defense forces, LEO’s, and includes every other aspect of “civilization”. How long do you think “the good guys” will put up with this when they figure out it means each and every man including themselves?
Want “equality” folks?
Stand and fooking deliver or shut your pie holes.
Equality is damn well earned, not given.There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
I used to give a s~~~ and visit blue pilled websites like Breitbart. Now I couldn’t give two f~~~s about any of it – the one thing that annoys me about the West being islamic is I cant drink anymore but I suspect it won’t be another 30 years until that kicks in and ill be in my 60s and not giving a s~~~….and thats assuming ill still be around! Altho part of me wants to see it all so the pussy brigade get rocked to death – muslims won’t fail the s~~~ test like white men have (the men who gave those ungrateful c~~~s their freedom)
muslims won’t fail the s~~~ test like white men have (the men who gave those ungrateful c~~~s their freedom)
Muslim countries might still be passing the s~~~ test with women…now if only we could get them out of the Dark Ages politically as well as make them stop f~~~ing little boys.
I am unconcerned with what happens to women. I am happy going my own way, being in my monk zone forever.
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