Undoing Feminist Memes

[Anonymous 14]

So I was just browsing for some Disney memes I wanted and randomly came upon this random feminist blog with a filled with stupid feminist memes. One of them in particular caught my eye and I just had to do something about it. This is the one I’m talking about.

So I fixed it and send it back to her.

 

She didn’t like it at all 😀

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

8chan /pol/ is very fond at changing around these memes.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I am hard pressed to think of any Disney movie that did not work in a “girls are better than boys” message somewhere. I grew up on Disney. Mom didn’t want my young mind polluted by scenes of sex and violence. Instead it was polluted by blue pill bulls~~~.

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RoyDal:

 

Some of the Disney flicks in the last 20 or so years have been notorious for that.  Mulan is a good example–absolutely dreadful.

 

[RennieParticipant]

RoyDal wrote:

I am hard pressed to think of any Disney movie that did not work in a “girls are better than boys” message somewhere. I grew up on Disney. Mom didn’t want my young mind polluted by scenes of sex and violence. Instead it was polluted by blue pill bulls~~~.

Or that Dad is abusive, controlling and doesn’t know what he’s doing.

[knightslayerParticipant 36]

@quarter wave vertical: i actually enjoyed mulan. even though the concept of a woman becoming china’s greatest hero is ridiculous, i like mulan’s character. i don’t think women should enlist in the military for physical roles. they’re just not built for combat, however, mulan put herself in a man’s shoes to protect her father. not to prove that she can be just as good as a man. i admire that. they wouldn’t have kept her if she couldn’t meet pt like the others, so she was willing to accept the standards expected of men unlike the special snow flakes demanding that the standards be lowered for them. she eventually earns the respect of the soldiers and risks her life to save them as well. even when mulan is ostracized for hiding her identity, she still tries to save her comrades and the people of china from the hun’s final attack. it’s said that if a woman is going to act like a man, she better be prepared to be treated like one and that’s what mulan did. she was accountable for her actions and persevered to preserve not only herself, but everyone she cared about. basically, she’s everything i wish i could find in a woman.

[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

knightslayer wrote:

@quarter wave vertical: i actually enjoyed mulan. even though the concept of a woman becoming china’s greatest hero is ridiculous, i like mulan’s character. i don’t think women should enlist in the military for physical roles. they’re just not built for combat, however, mulan put herself in a man’s shoes to protect her father. not to prove that she can be just as good as a man. i admire that. they wouldn’t have kept her if she couldn’t meet pt like the others, so she was willing to accept the standards expected of men unlike the special snow flakes demanding that the standards be lowered for them. she eventually earns the respect of the soldiers and risks her life to save them as well. even when mulan is ostracized for hiding her identity, she still tries to save her comrades and the people of china from the hun’s final attack. it’s said that if a woman is going to act like a man, she better be prepared to be treated like one and that’s what mulan did. she was accountable for her actions and persevered to preserve not only herself, but everyone she cared about. basically, she’s everything i wish i could find in a woman.

Mulan was awesome until the 2nd movie, then all feminist hell let loose.

My Goal: To Leave Society.

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I only saw the first Mulan movie.  Aside from it being a rather cheesy musical, I disliked the “girl power” feminist message.  It wasn’t one of Disney’s best efforts. Then again, I didn’t like Lion King, either.

 

By comparison, a few weeks ago, TCM showed Third Man on the Mountain, which Disney made over 50 years ago.  Now that was worth watching.

 

 

 

 

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

I’ll admit to not seeing mulan. But, I’ll still say the problem I have with movies and feminism is this: when I go see a movie about Patton, or Macarthur or some other man who’s accomplished something inspirational, I’m watching a movie depicting something that already happened. The message I get from feminism is that women can do anything a man can do, but haven’t because men have been keeping them oppressed. The message is that part of the oppression has been men telling them for all these centuries that they can’t do it. And as part of their revolt against all that oppression, they want to see movies with the message that they actually can do it. I get this…at least in theory.

I get that feminists want to see movies depicting women doing all these great things because they want to send a new message to little girls that they really can do all these great things that men have done. I get the theory that if we just keep telling little girls how many great things they’re capable of, that this will one day result in them growing up and actually doing those things. So I notice that more and more movies have that message in them somewhere.

But these are no longer stories about something that already happened anymore. Now, they’re a story about something we HOPE is going to really happen someday as a result of our telling ourselves over and over that it will happen someday. I think it’s possible to take a capable person and make them incapable by convincing them that they cannot do it so that they will not even attempt it. Once they’ve given up the attempt, they are in effect incapable of it. But the reverse of this is not true. This does not work in reverse.

If I convince someone that they are capable of something that they are not actually capable of accomplishing, I’m not doing them any favor. I’m just setting them up for failure.

Has any feminist ever considered that perhaps the reason that our chivalrous medieval male ancestors told girls and women that they could not do some of the things that men do was to protect them from failing at doing those things, (in a time when failure at those things could often result in death) rather than to oppress them?

At the time, women who acted like women were worth protecting. Whereas women who attempted to act like men were as impossible to protect, and not likely to survive long anyway. Because medieval farming, construction, mining, combat were even more dangerous than they are today.

On another thread on this site, I followed a link to the article about the first female carrier fighter pilot who was celebrated as a champion of women’s equality to men when she began flying fighter planes from American aircraft carriers… but then died not long after when she made a mistake and died trying to land one.

Do feminists have a back up plan for managing the embarrassment when their social experiments result in these spectacular failures? We can have movies about great women leaders, but do we really want to send Hillary Clinton to go face off with Vladimir Putin over Russian aggression in Europe? What if Putin doesn’t follow the script?

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[RennieParticipant]

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I only saw the first Mulan movie. Aside from it being a rather cheesy musical, I disliked the “girl power” feminist message. It wasn’t one of Disney’s best efforts. Then again, I didn’t like Lion King, either. By comparison, a few weeks ago, TCM showed Third Man on the Mountain, which Disney made over 50 years ago. Now that was worth watching.

Didn’t like the Lion King either, all that stuff about death and survival of the fittest was disturbing. The 2nd or 3rd one was feminized big time too.

[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

I just finished watching Chicago on TCM.  Ouch!  Aside from it being a disorganized mess with unmemorable songs, it puts out a terrible message.

 

The main character, played by Renee Zellwegger, was despicable.  She behaved like a tart.  She cheated on her husband by canoodling with someone who promised to get her into show business.  She shoots him dead when she finds out that she was used for his private pleasure.  She’s put on trial for murder and then lies about being pregnant in the hope that she’ll be let off.  In the end, she’s acquitted and her wish to be on stage is eventually granted.

 

But, since she was a woman, it was all right, I suppose.  Let a man do the same and people will be baying for his blood.

 

[Anonymous 14]

What would you guys say about Frozen then? I like CGI movies with winter(snow and ice) theme. The first Ice Age is my favourite CGI movie of all time. I was really eager to see Frozen that is until in a pre-release interview of the first female director of a Disney movie she said “Frozen is full of strong female characters, ones who can kick a man in his face“!!!!

Oh? So that is what being a “strong female” is all about?! “Kick a man in his face”? 

Hmm okay!

And the movie became such a worldwide success with little girls idolising the two male face-kicking strong female protagonist.

Well, what goes around comes around and when it does you Princesses will find yourself in a kingdom bereft of a company of a Prince because all the Princes will have MGTOW’d by then. Sweet dreams, Princesses.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I remember ejecting Mulan from my DVD player before 20 minutes were up. My red pill tendencies must have been kicking in, or the loudmouth sidekick got to be too annoying. I won’t even start on Frozen or that one where Angelina Jolie is a witch. Why bother?

On the other hand, I wish they would keep making Shrek sequels.

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[mgtow_85Participant 752]

I admit, I watched Mulan and found it a bit funny. Well, based off the role of Eddie Murphy playing Mushu, the travel-sized dragon, and the horse who apparently doesn’t like taking any of his s~~~. The cricket is a bit annoying, and seems to be getting into trouble a lot more than being considered “lucky.” Like, what the F~~~? The whole reason Mulan tanked her little appointment with the dyke-looking Matchmaker is because that f~~~ing bug got into the tea and f~~~ed everything up as a result just because Mulan was trying to get that damn cricket back.

The only reason I tolerate it is because of the father in the story. He is some big-shot war hero who is a permanent cripple, can’t walk without the use of a cane, and yet China’s government policy wants to throw him right back into the army as cannon fodder when the other conscripts are being taught to march endlessly for MILES and this guy can’t even hobble for more than a few steps. Mulan doesn’t join the army based off the feminist point of view that “a woman can do just as good in the army”. Hell, you see how much she sucked in the basic training scenes. Can’t keep up with the recruits, can’t fire an arrow to save her life, apparently lacks upper-body strength. But because the other recruits suck just as much, she manages to squeak through without turning heads.

Mulan joined the army KNOWING that the army would put her to death if they discovered her true identity, but she doesn’t give a f~~~ because she knows what her father’s chances are at survival if he was flung back into the wringer to fight a bunch of Huns who are apparently about 10 feet tall and can scale the Great Wall without much effort, destroy the finer part of China’s Imperial Army with few casualties, gets wiped out by an avalanche of snow, but 6 or 7 survivors is all it takes to seize the emperor and control the Forbidden City. So she seems to care a lot more about her father than most daughters are today when their “deadbeat dads” are mentioned to them in the worst of terms.

Maybe that’s why I gave the movie a chance. And maybe that’s why I watched the sequel, even though it sucked ass so bad, I wanted to burn my own retinas out. Disney isn’t known for producing good sequels. The plot seemed to be thought up of as a last-minute effort and I couldn’t follow the storyline. Kinda ruined the entire Mulan thing for me.

[mgtow_85Participant 752]

RoyDal wrote:

I remember ejecting Mulan from my DVD player before 20 minutes were up. My red pill tendencies must have been kicking in, or the loudmouth sidekick got to be too annoying. I won’t even start on Frozen or that one where Angelina Jolie is a witch. Why bother? On the other hand, I wish they would keep making Shrek sequels.

I agree wholeheartedly with you on that! Shrek kicks ass! I own all of the movies. And because I can’t manage to sleep at night anymore because I’m used to working overnights and am going through an insomnia phase at that time of day, I should go watch them again right now!

[AussieBlokeParticipant 144]

BrainPilot wrote:

If I convince someone that they are capable of something that they are not actually capable of accomplishing, I’m not doing them any favor. I’m just setting them up for failure.

Has any feminist ever considered that perhaps the reason that our chivalrous medieval male ancestors told girls and women that they could not do some of the things that men do was to protect them from failing at doing those things, (in a time when failure at those things could often result in death) rather than to oppress them?

BP as always you demonstrate your breadth of knowledge and logical thinking – I was always encouraging to my ex but ALWAYS with a (realistic) critical view of her abilities to ensure she did not become disheartened by failure. It made no difference, she just saw it as me running her down.

The harder the fight the sweeter the victory

[TuprosParticipant 21]

Nothing wrong with Mulan as it is based off of a legend.  We all know Disney likes old stories and modifies them a bit.  For an example, the little mermaid, she dies in the end in the original but Disney changed it around and made it into a happy ending where she lives and marries the prince.  In this case there’s no Eddie Murphy dragon or the horse with Einstein’s IQ level.  Then there are other adaptations that have her die and what not so…..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hua_Mulan

[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

Agreed.  There’s nothing wrong with the actual story itself.  France, after all, regards Jeanne d’Arc as a national heroine, and even named one of its warships after her.

 

But it’s the cutesy twists that Disney added, along with making sure that there’s a politically correct message, that got to me.

 

[Anonymous 14]

This is probably one of the few Disney movies without a feminist theme. Enjoy!

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