U.S. = Subsidiary of Israel.

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Unicron wrote:

So, did the Jewish founders of Google ‘steal’ wealth,

They do every time they under pay corporate tax.

I’d call that a slight role reversal. Private corporations and individuals CREATE wealth. Governments STEAL it and regulate it into oblivion. NOT giving thieves money, hardly constitutes theft.

Why should corporations pay any tax, let alone, 38% for the largest companies, among the highest rates in the world? That said, all companies seek to underpay taxes. If you want more jobs in the REAL economy, and fewer in the IRS and tax accountants, then a simplified tax system is a must-have. And a smaller government that doesn’t tax job and wealth creating companies, at 38%.

JoeBauers: The problem with this theory is many people ‘took the land’. The Ottomans took it. Then the British took it (Mandate Palestine, 1914-1918). Then the Israelis took it. In the US we took the land from the native American Indians. Should they have ‘right of return’ to Manhattan? Or just throw the descendants, the bone of gambling revenue on reservations?

Actually, Israel did NOT want the Second Iraq war. Israel wanted a strong Iraq to counterbalance Iran. Earlier, in the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980’s, Israel actually sold 100 million dollars+ of weapons to IRAN to weaken Iraq and prevent a quick Iraqi victory & Iraqi domination of the region. This was part of the Iran-Contra scandal. You have to look at the long game rather than conspiracy theories. So the Israeli strategy has historically been to counterbalance regional powers against one another, and that cause was NOT served by the US war with Iraq, which has destabilized the region and threatened Israeli security through the rise of Islamic State AND Iranian hegemony. The reason for this strategy is Israel is a relatively small country, and they didn’t want all the Arab countries forming a coalition against them.

I’m no defender of Israeli aid — the aid does far more harm than good — it enables corrupt leaders in the Arab world to have a bogeyman. Without Israel, their economic hardships would be blamed on their leaders, NOT Israelis. And yes, the IDF has killed more Palestinians, than Palestinians killing Israelis. But not 50:1. I do find it tiresome when people don’t give a s~~~ about the million deaths in the Iran-Iraq war, but are greatly concerned when the IDF kills several thousand Palestinians. The thinking is quite similar to Black Lives Matter; white policemen killing blacks is egregious; but blacks killing one another is not worth discussing. As stated, the real cost of this foreign aid isn’t those direct dollars; it is the cost of the blowback, which costs many multiples of the direct foreign aid. As I suggested, if we had not sent ANY foreign aid anywhere, there would have been no reason to attack us on 9/11… And thus, no Afghan war OR Iraq war.

The best thing that could happen for peace in the region is less influence of religious parties in Israel (no more right wingers. Likud leader Ariel Sharon’s visit to Temple Mount for crass political gain, was unforgiveable; he directly started the Second Intifada by doing so and is personally culpable for the scores of deaths that resulted). But you’d also need a complete sea change of Palestinian leadership away from commitment to the destruction of Israel, and towards good governance, transparency, and professional administration.

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Anonymous wrote:

FrankOne wrote:

Let’s think of some alternate hypotheses for the over-
representation: A culture of success. Highly valuing education. Nearly 100% literacy for hundreds of years. Kids are EXPECTED to succeed… What’s NOT to praise about this culture?

Here is what I feel should not be praised-

They are a group of people who over 100 years ago hijacked a religion for the sole purpose of having a reason to take land from people who had been there for centuries. Not just any land, the HOLY LAND. Zionism dates back to the late 1800’s. Biblical Jews are supposedly copper skinned, Jesus himself was supposedly copper skinned. Peaceful weed smoking Ethiopian Rastafari are more likely related to biblical Jews. (they are deep into the bible) What we have is an ANGLO takeover of a religion for empire building reasons, greed. Notice the Jews in control in Israel and the ones in power positions in the states are anglo, not copper skinned. A foothold in the Mid East, the idea of which rose at a time when wise men knew oil was going to build empires… So, we have a nation of people, who took the nation under false pretenses, and they are now fighting for that “tribal” identity to remain pure, just as racist white nationalists have wanted here in the U.S. in the past, and still do in some places. Jews don’t marry often outside their religion, and if they do they want the non Jew to convert. (Elizabeth Banks) Zionist Israel and Jews around the world that support it push just the opposite narrative for the masses. Left wing media wants races mixed, refugee crises from wars they wanted in the Mid East now flood the E.U. mixing everyone up into chaos and in-fighting. Do they take in refugees? No. Will they ever give Palestinians citizenship or allow them to have their own nation be recognized in the U.N. No. Will they fight for each-other and their homeland? Yes. As he world gets mixed up and dived into chaos they maintain their purity. It is no different than white nationalists…the very thing they have demonized for years in movies and T.V. They continue to get more and more wealthy, as those around them are intentionally de-stabilized and flooded with refugees, or straight up slaughtered. This has all been done at the cost of the U.S. taxpayer…If you cannot see what is going on, give it a few more decades, it will become more and more evident as time goes by.

Also, from what I can find out in 2014 Israel killed 2k Palestinians and suffered only 41 deaths. I don’t need to go look up old stats from their initial wars that they started in and around Israel. I don’t believe the numbers either. The U.S. itself does not even count civilian casualties anymore of collateral damage from drone strikes, everyone blown up is just called a “combatant” now so that we are absolved of all wrong doing. All I know is they are currently still killing Palestinians at a rate far greater than the average person would think if they just watched T.V. for their news. And yes, I believe that rate is near 50 to 1. Creating terrorism seems to be the plan. Chaos that rises shall be focused on other countries they want destroyed. (Syria) Refugees will be pawned off on E.U. countries. Everyone looses except Israel, and they don’t even pay for it, you and I do.

Zionism is Nationalism. The distinction of Zionism and white supremacist nationalism is hard for me to separate.

Yes, I have read stacks of books you don’t even know exist.

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Excellent post.

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Agreed, great post FrankOne.

There is a huge amount of legitimate anti-Israeli feelings (like Chomsky) and outright anti-Semitism on the left, even if it doesn’t end up changing Democrat policy. The main difference between the anti-Israeli feeling of the left and right is that on the right you have to go WAY to the right to find it – the centre right are fiercely pro-Israel – whereas on the left it’s as prominent among the moderates as at the extremes. Again, even if that means it doesn’t change Democrat policy – the Israeli lobby seems to strong to stop any actual change there.

Christian conservatives tend to be pro-Israel. Why? Part of the reason is they believe God promised the Jews Israel. Another is the end-times prophecy that the Jews must build the Third Temple, which is difficult to realize unless they control Temple Mount. How do I know this? I asked ones I work with.

That seems to be a predominantly American thing. I read a biography of an American evangelical who converted to Catholicism some years back, he said it was the number one problem his evangeclical friends had – not with his change in position on the Pope or Mary, but on millennial issues (with which the understanding of Israel, the Temple Mount etc is tied).

Among evangelicals outside the US, such as here in Australia, that’s doesn’t seem to be a priority. The believe the doctrines but they don’t vote / donate / agitate based on that one issue.

Zionism is Nationalism. The distinction of Zionism and white supremacist nationalism is hard for me to separate.

I quite agree with that, JoeBauers, but not every Jew by any means is a raving Zionist, any more than every US citizen or Christian is a raving nationalist (or raving anything). So arguing, “but that guy’s a Jew! that company is run by Jews!” doesn’t help your position. The Jews I know range from scholars to agnostics to secularists to my closest Jewish friend who is a lady who left Israel because she was sick of the politics. Lumping all Jews together in a conspiracy is no better or more sensible than lumping any other group into a conspiracy.

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Shiny wrote:

I quite agree with that, JoeBauers, but not every Jew by any means is a raving Zionist, any more than every US citizen or Christian is a raving nationalist (or raving anything). So arguing, “but that guy’s a Jew! that company is run by Jews!” doesn’t help your position. The Jews I know range from scholars to agnostics to secularists to my closest Jewish friend who is a lady who left Israel because she was sick of the politics. Lumping all Jews together in a conspiracy is no better or more sensible than lumping any other group into a conspiracy.

You fail to see my position if this is your response. Or you are trying to paint me as anti-Jewish? Because here is the rub, most left wing media is owned by Jews, and what is the one thing that will never be shown on left or right wing media? The Palestinians side of the story. Let me know when something like this gets on one of their T.V. stations-

Therefore, yes, the ones in control are running a tight ship, and are conspiring to do so. At no point do I say “But that guys a Jew” as if all Jews are bad…I know some super f~~~ing cool Jews. Israel Shahak, author of Jewish History, Jewish Religion and mentor to Noam Chomsky, two guys who I have learned a lot from, BOTH JEWS. Both heroic men to me.

Or another hero of mine, Rabbi Weiss-

If your goal was to paint me as anti-Jewish, I am afraid you failed. I am anti-bulls~~~. I grew up around some very powerful Jewish families. I know s~~~ firsthand that if I were to ever speak of it I would be in court so fast up against a legal team so powerful that I would have no chance in a lible case, and that would be if they were merciful. I have learned from the ones who are brave enough to speak up like Chomsky, who, by the way, does not get on T.V. anymore… Why? Re-read paragraph one. So, to put it more clearly, Zionist Jews run and control most everything of importance in the U.S. and conspire to keep a lot of stuff off of T.V. And yes, there are some great Jews out there who speak out against Israel and it’s bulls~~~, sadly they do not get on T.V. And no, I don’t think every Jew is a “raving Zionist”

I think Fox did have Rabbi Weiss on once, but Chomsky and Shahak, I don’t think they have been on much mainstream T.V. not in recent years anyhow. And pretty much zero Palestinians giving their opinions on anything, total blackout there.

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