Trying to understand the root of all these probems…..

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  • #193173
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    Varun
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    This one is going to be a long one and I wil try to make it as simple as I possibly can.

    Now I’m no ‘expert’ or ‘scholar’ but this is what I have been able to piece together:

    Why did feminism arise?

    Feminism began with the suffrage movement, i.e., the right to vote. The way I see it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the idea of this era. Everyone should be abe to vote, women too, even if most of them were not much affected by politics. I think it was needed.

    The second wave wanted ‘women’s liberation from traditional gender roles’. This is where things started to get awry. If I try to put it in simple vocabulary, women wanted equality in the workplace, equal pay, social respect just like a man. They demanded that they were human beings too, and that this was their right.

    Well, they were all right up to the point when they said ‘equal rights’, but I think they made a very major mistake…. they forgot they had ‘equal responsibilities’ too.

    I would have liked to see history as woman finally stepping up in the various fields, more women ‘taking’ up the gender roles of men like working in factories, fighting in wars etc. etc. that could have been presented as proof. “Look, we have shown you that we can work as equally as men could. We proved it that we can be equal to men. Now give us our rights”. But that didn’t happen. They asked for the prize without even competing in the race. Most of the women in that area ‘did not work as much as men did’, obviously they couldn’t because of the prevalent traditiona roles and customs. If they really do wanted rights, they shoud have ‘proven’ themselves first. They should have taken up the sword and shield and defend their nations alongside spoon-feeding their toddlers and wrapping bankets around them. Most of them did not maintain this role. What about men? They did miantained their roles fairly. History itsef is a witness.

    The third wave was less ‘equal’ and more ‘individual’. Things like ‘I should be able to do whatever I want’, and ‘I should not be told what to do’.

    In this case, I want to derive meaing from parenting roles. The parents prevent their teenagers from doing certain stuff because they do not want them to get hurt. They do know that as teenagers, freedom must be provided to them, but the world outside the home and school was very unforgiving; there would be no one to take care of them if they venture out alone; they stil have to learn a lot from experiences before being able to make good decisions.

    Something similar happened here. Traditional men did not entertain the thought that women could ‘handle’ it outside, so they vehemently opposed the idea of an independent woman. As I see it, the third wave ‘meant good’ for women, giving them a sense of freedom… in short, they were released of their traditional gender roles and they were free what they wanted to do, which was , I say, okay, until they decided what to do with it.

    That, I think, was the primal point of metamorphosis of feminism from what it was supposed to be and what it is today. Initially, what was a liberation movement, turned into a master plan for domination of one gender over the other. TOTAL DOMINATION. They didn’t bother shaming men in order to achieve ‘equality’. They didn’t care abusing their new-found freedom and their new-found powers to push the entire maledom into a state of permanent excruciation. In the quest to achieve the ‘female value’, they ripped the ‘male value’ to shreds.

    They did have a better option option.

    My ideal view of feminism was where every woman were successfull in propagating good values into the society ‘together’ with men by their side. They always had that option. If they had thought more ‘we’ rather than ‘me’, more “how we can do this together” rather than “how I can f~~~ him over so that he won’t f~~~ me over”, I don’t think MGTOW would have had a reason to exist. They were clearly blind to the grave consequences of their liberty. They f~~~ed up big time, and even then we are not angry at them. We say that “Ah! Its just their nature. Let’s not get angry. Lets just accept it and move on. Let them do their thing. We will do ours.”

    And now they are acknowledging the fact that they made a mistake. The NAWALTs are clearly stating that “things didn’t have to be the way they were; lets fix it”. But the damage was already done in a galactic scale. Young women were already responding to the mutated idea of feminism and causing destruction of men at all fields of life. In my words, the NAWALTS were ‘too late in their approach’ and ‘didn’t see the fire until it had decimated half of the city’. These consequences, they are effecting us men till date and we still haven’t recovered. I don’t see a way we could be recovered. Though I’m always a very hopeful person.

    I really wished things coud have been different, but like the saying goes, all’s well that ends well. Huh! I look forward to the miracle that would hold this line true.

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

    #193181
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    ILiveAgain
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    Shoulda coulda woulda

    They knew or are just as guilty with silence.

    One could spend years figuring out why they did it.

    Who fking cares … THEY DID IT … or stood by saying nothing.

    Now they’re ‘worried’

    Not for us .. but what they’re about to lose or experience.

    Don’t waste your time wondering why you’re being fked up the ass. Remove your ass from their dick and never trust the ass fker again … EVER.

    You didn’t make them who they are.

    Just go your own way.

    #193242
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    Unicron
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    The Jewish Women’s Archive recently launched an online exhibit called Jewish Women and the Feminist Revolution, which uses a timeline, interviews and scans of historical artifacts to look at the contributions of Jewish feminists to Jewish and American history. (You can see it at http://www.jwa.org/feminism.) It’s annoyingly full of bells and whistles and zippy little floating boxes and animations, often at the expense of any real depth, but it did get me thinking: Why have so many leaders in the feminist movement been Jewish?

    http://forward.com/articles/2305/why-are-there-so-many-jewish-feminists/#ixzz40RGn3ZzE

    Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have preferred.

    #193284
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    Tiga K
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    I am not supporting or discouraging the traditional gender roles, but when feminism came along and challenged the traditional female gender roles, it was inevitable that men would stop following the traditional male gender role. The manosphere is evidence of men finally doing that. As long as a lack of balance remains between the genders, we will see more and more men going their own way.

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    I think there’s a few things that go into it. I’ve posted elsewhere that Gloria Steinem was CIA trained and funded, and she is relatively open about it. So you can see that from the 60s onwards, there was a shadowy undercurrent potentially guiding the hand of feminists. What’s the goal? Eventually, total population control. How do you get there? Marginalize and legally bind the most profitable and industrious sector of society – men. Then, dismantle the apparatus used to get there. Feminism will die a death, probably by being registered as a hate group, as they lose more and more support from mainstream society. This is all part of a larger plan, in my view.

    Why all/predominantly Jewish? I don’t know, but could it have anything to do with who is funding them? Who controls the banking system? Hollywood? Media? Perhaps the answer lies there.

    Qui bono? Follow the money. Who stands to gain the most from realising the goals of feminism? It’s not women, by the way.

    #193377
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    @quietlyquietly:
    “Gloria Steinem was CIA trained and funded”

    this

    "It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

    #193555
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    Qui bono? Follow the money. Who stands to gain the most from realising the goals of feminism? It’s not women, by the way.

    suuure it’s not women that got benefits out of feminism
    suuuure…

    #193618
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    Qui bono? Follow the money. Who stands to gain the most from realising the goals of feminism? It’s not women, by the way.

    suuure it’s not women that got benefits out of feminism
    suuuure…

    Ah, it might seem like women gain the most from feminism, but I don’t think that’s the case. Yes, they gain a lot, but who really benefits from the massive forced wealth transfer from male to female? Remember, men earn 70% of all wages, and are inclined to save most of that money, or invest it. Females spend all their own money, and 2x more than that again. By transferring men’s money to women, it gets spent immediately, and not saved. This is simple corporate end-gaming – give men’s money to women, and you increase profits by 2x. Corporations benefit. Courts benefit, lawyers benefit, nail salons, dress shops and kiddy shoe shops benefit, and ultimately it’s back to corporations. Government are beholden to corporations, so whoever owns the most corporations is Qui Bono. Follow the money.

    On the legal side, government gets to pass insane laws tying everyone up in so much red tape that they can’t sneeze without falling foul of the law. Women may appear exempt at the moment, but just wait for the tables to even. Women too, will be caught in the system they fought for generations to build against men.

    There’s a bigger picture at play here, and feminism is a convenient tool, that’s all. Ultimately it’s about power and money.

    #193620
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    @ Quietlyquietly, Great insight!

    "It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

    #194033
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    Everyone should be abe to vote, women too, even if most of them were not much affected by politics. I think it was needed.

    The same people who will never pay for that vote on the front lines of war.

    A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

    #194035
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    Feminism began with the suffrage movement, i.e., the right to vote. The way I see it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the idea of this era. Everyone should be abe to vote, women too, even if most of them were not much affected by politics. I think it was needed.

    Well they didn’t earn it and because of them the bar for voting was removed, which means all kinds of idiots are now voting who shouldn’t be. Those idiots have screwed things up royally.

    There are good reasons why women weren’t allowed to vote and they used to be common knowledge about a century ago.

    #194165
    Varun
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    Feminism began with the suffrage movement, i.e., the right to vote. The way I see it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the idea of this era. Everyone should be abe to vote, women too, even if most of them were not much affected by politics. I think it was needed.

    Well they didn’t earn it and because of them the bar for voting was removed, which means all kinds of idiots are now voting who shouldn’t be. Those idiots have screwed things up royally.

    There are good reasons why women weren’t allowed to vote and they used to be common knowledge about a century ago.

    I won’t say much about the matter. What I’m implying is that feminism wasn’t always the s~~~brick it used to be. Maybe you are right, maybe they shouldn’t have been given the power; but they were given the power because people at that time believed in their words “If you give us the rights, we’ll help make a beautiful world of equality and justice“. This statement wasn’t wrong in the first place. They could have taken other ways to achieve equality; you know ..like commensialism – one part unharmed while the other benefitted. But instead they chose the parasitic way.. one party benefitted, and the other party goes down the s~~~ hole. Don’t you think they could have done better? Just for the sake of this debate, consider that they were rational human beings.

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

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