To make a Choice

[ExecrationParticipant 1496]

I’m Starting to Wonder if this site is for me or moreover-removing myself entirely from the sense of this post-question objectively, if certain aspects of the MGTOW philosophy represent all of the human failings/nature any philosophy or ideology can and possibly does.

Realizing the MGTOW philosophy is Concerned with an Honest Evaluation of how unfair Males are treated and suggests implicitly or explicitly moral reform(which can be argued and to what point I dont know), on the basis of a lack of moral integrity within society that causes the unfairness, i find it ironic, at times when that gets pushed aside in terms of men being fully capable and right making their own choices.

After reviewing the post by Rockmaninoff titled ” I’m not sure if I’m MGTOW anymore” with an associated tag “Mangina and his new kitty-kat”(I’m not sure if he tagged it himself) and comparing the Philosophy of “Oil Change dating” and a few variations that are viewed as acceptable I noticed some odd contradictions. None that are important to mention.

Despite veteran members remaining respectfull and addressing him rationally I noticed some Extremist respones.In Consideration of the fact that the man doesn’t need approval and he even discussed it with members who remained respectfull( despite not sharing his views) i beilieve is what makes for very mature Conversations;The possibility to share opposing views which can be essential to learning as oppose to being closed off.It is impossible, and this is for some of you,to expect to share any of what some of you beilieve with him if you hurl Insults and expect it to mean anything in his regard when discussing with him. I’m sure enough of us went throught that with a lot of women so I wasnt sure what you were trying to teach him.

Also I myself am beginning to disagree with awalt(maybe I want that to be Wrong or it is) which is nescesarry for the MGTOW philosophy to function and represent itself however, based on the member count its hard to argue unless you consider demographics and other various relavent information.I’m not seeing much of any Constructive answers in the MGTOW philosophy other than GYOW which I think is beautiful however even though GYOW is possible all of the same laws exist. The forumns take account of recent events that seem to suggest nothings changing.In all of this, That isnt to say MGTOW isnt the answer but it seems like picking ourselves appart or seeming at times completely irrational does anything.

I’m just unsure. Now having said that I know I can seem like an asshole.That is entirely my fault.I’m curious if this site at this point is Concerned more with the truth or the anger involved in a lot of certain responses.

[VassagoShaxParticipant 255]

I’m a new member here, I found this place by accident. Funnily enough it was an old-ish article pretty much denouncing this place and all its ‘hate mongering’. Anything that causes a raised eyebrow from the published media definitely deserved a look from me. And since joining I have met a very diverse bunch of guys all of whom have many different ideas about women. Actually compared to my (admittedly narrow) view point, this place is actually a far more mild, even tolerant group of guys that I initially gave them credit for.

Over the last view days my entirely negative and I fully confess, hateful view of women has been softened some what. I can’t claim to have exclusive insight into this place, guys have been here A LOT longer than I have. But for what its worth I will throw my hat into the ring and offer an opinion.

Honestly, I really, REALLY don’t like women. And I don’t think any amount of camp fire discussions is going to change that. I have very real reason to hate. That being said I have found no small amount of solace from being here and weirdly I have found some measure of comfort from this place. I don’t think MGTOW is suggesting it is right about all things, that there’s even a universal approach to things. All it seems to suggest is that men, guys, us, have the right to go our own way. It doesn’t have to involve sniping at the opposite sex or ourselves. Just a case of doing what you feel is right for you.

If you feel this place is not the best for you, I don’t think anyone here will paint a cross on your back and start loading the rifles. As one member put it, this place is a small island of solitude when you need it. We may not all agree about things, but least we do have some common ground. Maybe next week, next month or even next year I will decide to go my own way from MGTOW. But for now at least I am glad to have found the place.

Change is a slow process, for good or ill, and any sort of change is a confusing and frightening thing. But it helps knowing there are people, guys, who have a shared experience and will have your back if you need it.

[Anonymous 43]

Go your own way.
What does that mean to you?

Are you looking for someone to save you from the edge and returning to the blue pill world?
Only you can make the best choices for you.

If returning to the plantation is your best option, then go. Go with my sincere blessing.

Wander the Earth, sample and date the worlds 3.5 billion women looking for the unicorn. I personally believe there are unicorns out there, maybe as many as 10,000 of them in the entire planet. I am not going to waste my time and dwindling resources to find some random woman who will make all my dreams come true. You finding a unicorn means you have sufficient resources and you are the best that particular woman thinks she can ever do. Meet those two conditions, and she will stay loyal to you, and actually stick to the wedding vows.

Understand the perils of the one phone call, no fault divorce, false rape and assault allegations, disease, unwanted pregnancy and I’m not happy are still in effect even for unicorns.

Prove us all wrong, show us this mythical unicorn, rub our faces in her amazingness. I want to stand there before the two of you, slack jawed, just in awe of the unicorn. I want to believe. I really do. If you can find one, maybe I can too.

Then come back when she kicks you in the b~~~~, takes you to court and ass rapes you. I will welcome you back with open arms, Brother. No judgment, no I told you so. I will sit next to you and lend you a sympathetic ear, put my hand on your shoulder and hand you the coldest beer you ever had.

Go with God, Amigo, and good luck.

[BufordParticipant 935]

There is a strong correlation (not 100%) between a member who has recently taken the red pill and the vehemence of their responses.

We’re all vulnerable to the millions of years of biology programmed into our DNA. It’s perfectly natural and expected that it will surface, no matter how hard we try or how far removed we are from women.

It’s like living away from home, you really miss it sometimes. But then you go back for a visit to find that nothing has really changed, and it reminds you fairly quickly of why you left in the first place.

"This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags. - Sheriff Buford T. Justice"

[Anonymous 54]

Just think exactly like I do, and youll do just fine.

But seriously folks,

Sounds like you dont want to give up on the unicorn dream.
Ive been going my own way over a decade now, but one thing Ive learned here is how invariably predictable women are. They are all the same..
Mabey different tactics, but with the same results.
I allways say, you want to learn about women, try being out of work and broke.
See how your unicorn reacts to that.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Each carries his own load.

Personally, I am not searching for something. I am a useful cautionary tale of what not to do.

I can’t go back and talk sense into my young self. I can’t tell me the way it is going to be if I get married to her.

I can’t tell my young self that I am not ready for it. I haven’t prepared for it.

I wish I could talk sense into me. She won’t be there to help you like you think she will boy. You will be expected to carry the load by yourself. And, you are ill f~~~ing prepared. You can barely take care of yourself.

But I know I wouldn’t listen. But maybe, just maybe, by my being at this site, a young brother will get it.

Good luck brother. Prepare well.

Peace brothers

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Just think exactly like I do, and youll do just fine.

But seriously folks,

Sounds like you dont want to give up on the unicorn dream.
Ive been going my own way over a decade now, but one thing Ive learned here is how invariably predictable women are. They are all the same..
Mabey different tactics, but with the same results.
I allways say, you want to learn about women, try being out of work and broke.
See how your unicorn reacts to that.

Yup. They will get on your ass for sure. When you’re not working it means that you can’t subsidize them. They can’t have that. No work = no meal ticket. Women in general resent having to work. When they see that they’re working and your not, seeing that they’re the one subsidizing you p~~~ing them off. They don’t want to do that. They don’t think they should. Because they recognize you’re getting a free meal ticket. That’s what they want. You’re interfering with that.

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

I’ve been reading the forum for a while, maybe a year or so. I’ve learned to read between the lines.

There are many contradictions, indeed. There is a lot of downright garbage. But there are also many gems. Stories from men with experience. So many painful stories from men who got burned. I find them very useful. You know what they say about those who learn from other people’s mistakes.

Personally I like the introductions section much more than the others. Notice how similar the stories are. That’s proof of AWALT. Not perfect proof, and not absolute proof, that is impossible. But for practical purposes, AWALT holds.

As for answers, no, MGTOW doesn’t really offer much. Take control of your life and do what you want to do is as vague as it gets. I think only the basics hold: don’t sign a marriage contract and don’t get in legal trouble with women, otherwise you’re stuck in a bad place. If you want to go deeper, MGTOW will not have the answers. Maybe that’s better, because I’m not sure there is a right answer at all.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

Execration wrote:

veteran members

I don’t think the number of stars guarantees a good quality post. In fact, I’ve found many posts from new members more useful than those of “veterans”. The latter often sound all the same, at least to me. I’m not sure if that’s good or bad. But it’s just not much new, so not that interesting.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

There are lottery winners. Would you ignore the mathematical odds and try to be a lottery winner?

That said there are ways to increase the likely hood of finding and maintaining a Unicorn till death. You have to be rich enough though and give up living in the USA.

You have to removed the financial incentive of divorcing you and increase the incentive of staying in marriage.

So you cannot stay in the USA and have to live in the country of your wife where there are social pressure for the wife to stay loyal. So Asia or Islamic countries.

If you still have asset in the states, beware that the wife can get a green card by claiming domestic violence then proceed to divorce rape you.
http://family.findlaw.com/domestic-violence/the-domestic-violence-green-card-immigrant-visa-petitions-for-vi.html

So move your asset overseas. Beware that even if you keep money overseas the government can size it through FATCA/ GATCA, so convert them to real estate or something.
http://thecrux.com/this-is-still-the-best-tax-haven-for-americans/

At the same time, foreign countries are offering citizenship / permanent residency for sale, if you have a certain amount of asset / investment in that country. So it is good to have these permanent residency on top of hording assets overseas.

Now countries you are hoarding wealth is off limits to Unicorn hunting, hunt in countries you don’t hoard wealth in, rent you home there so you wife cannot divorce rape you, or if they do, there are nothing for your wife to rob.

Note that this only cover your asset, your are still not immune to the drama, nagging, mood swing, land whale evolution, cheating, weaponization of children etc. However since she have no leverage over you, she will exhibit these behavior less.
And if she does not behave, you can walk away with your asset intact hunting for another unicorn.

So in search for your Unicorn, chase money first, then when you have enough money, your sex drive have likely decrease so you can make another decision without your biology clouding you, is the effort of attaining Unicorn worth it?

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[BushidoParticipant 637]

Anonymous wrote:

Go your own way.
What does that mean to you?

That is what I like about MGTOW.

We’ll slap each other silly with “Don’t do that!” and “Why did you do that?” while at the end of the day, so long as you respect the will of fellow brothers here to go their own way you’ll do fine. I’ve had my moments where I questioned AWALT and whether or not unicorns are real or not (if it is Scotland’s national animal how could they NOT be real?!) and my optimism gets shot down in fire.

Look, the decision you make is yours alone. All we can do is offer our guidance and support – even if we think it is the wrong decision. We are like a father figure in a way; a bad father makes your decisions for you or prevents you from failure. A good father will allow you to make your own decisions and will let you experience firsthand what the consequences of a bad decision is.

Execration wrote:

I’m just unsure.

There is no shame in uncertainty – take some time to look at it objectively, perhaps with new perspective. Not every decision is one to be made lightly!

Logic guides your actions, emotion guides your morals. Only you may decide how you use them.

[bstoffParticipant 4865]

I agree with May 7 2020. That’s the “correct” answer as far as I’m concerned.
Keep in mind that everyone here has opinions of their own, and are often drunk, moody, or whatever when we see and respond to posts. If someone says they are considering leaving MGTOW and seeking their unicorn, some guys resent them and feel their efforts on them have been wasted and that they must recall the wandering sheep and protect him from the bad, bad world out there by any means necessary.
Most of us know the Prodigal Son, especially the young ones, must leave the nest and seek their fortunes, no matter what the risks may be. The “fathers” here should be aware of this, as we have almost all done this ourselves, at great cost. Some of us are angry. Some of us are concerned about another member of the “flock” is about to get fleeced or worse at the hands of the wolves out there.
If anyone really feels they need to stray from the MGTOW path, whether they feel pressured by the outside forces, have found a unicorn they want to pursue, or whatever, they are always welcomed back, and know we want to hear your story when you return.
MGTOW is for every man who has been red-pilled, no matter how many times it takes to lead them here.

[ExecrationParticipant 1496]

I’m not really sure how to respond to any of you because I get where all of you are coming from.

Outside of Work Most Women are repulsed by me, the others ignore me and I’m Completely fine with that.I am by no means lonely.After a failed marriage I’m 99.9 percent sure I’m not getting married again-theres only one thing that will make me decide differently and that will cause me to get married.

I think I may have miscommunicated something with the NAWALT comment and thats my fault.I only meant recently I’ve met one Women in my life who saved my ass from what could have been hell on earth. We both did not have any Romantic interest in eachother , and for what reason she did save my ass I’m Unsure.

IMO It was the strangest thing.We use to talk in her Office, shoot the breeze.More of Something like friends.We never went out, never did anything toghether just bonded in a friendship kind of way through talking.We also saw eachother infrequently.S~~~ we talked about tons of stuff.She was Completely capable of crucifying me to. I didnt even realize she helped me until she no longer worked there.I also was nowhere near deserving of the help she gave me.I respect her because of it.So for me a lot of opinions changed.

Doesnt mean however I dont realize the power of a phone call.Makes me a VERY VERY CAUTIOUS person.

Thank you guys, I appreciate everyones very thoughtfull responses.

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