To have children or not to have, that is indeed no question anymore

[ScandinavianParticipant 590]

I’ve been debating with the bitter parenthood on a website full of conservative evolutionist nazis. What I kept hearing was two arguments, and pretty much only these two in different forms are what’s coming over and over again:
1) “Not having any yourself means you’re not qualified to an opinion on the matter. Children are the best thing in life.”
2) “Your genes will DIE! Horrendous thought! Why not just kill yourself immidiately?”

The fun thing is that I just recently found an article, sad to say it’s in Norwegian, but one part of it (the important one) was in English, so I won’t have to translate it hehe:
”Over the past few decades, social scientists like me have found consistent evidence that there is an almost zero association between having children and happiness. My analysis in the Journal of Socio-economics (Powdthavee, 2008) is a recent British example of parents and non-parents reporting the same levels of life satisfaction, on average.
But the warnings for prospective parents are even more stark than ‘it’s not going to make you happier’. Using data sets from Europe and America, numerous scholars have found some evidence that, on aggregate, parents often report statistically significantly lower levels of happiness (Alesina et al., 2004), life satisfaction (Di Tella et al., 2003), marital satisfaction (Twenge et al., 2003), and mental well-being (Clark & Oswald, 2002) compared with non-parents. (…) Thus, what these results are suggesting is something very controversial — that having children does not bring joy to our lives.”
http://www.minervanett.no/det-gode-liv-uten-barn/

So, now that research is giving us the thumbs up, will we perhaps be able to make the parentfascists shut up, or will they just disregard science?

[RoyDalParticipant]

To pass my genes on to future generations, or not to pass them? — That is the question.
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous divorce court
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by withholding my sperm end them.

Hookaay, that’s as far as I can take this one without falling off my chair.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 11]

Misery loves company.

My genes in a child in this walled garden despotic modern world. Surely, I’d be sued.

[UntamedParticipant]

I have three wonderful children and they’re the best that ever happened in my life. Never regretted having my three angels, they’ve been an anchor for me even not seeing them for many months at the time.
I would’ve killed myself in 2009 had I not my children to think about.
But I’m not saying everyone should have children, it’s not a given to anyone to be a father or mother, for some it’s simply not their path in life.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[quiksilver123Participant 14]

For me, the central question comes down to this…

Is a guy willing to have children in a country where the likely probability is that you will get completely screwed over in the legal system and not see your children often ?

[Just a ManParticipant 934]

The argument these emotional children use against me is: if the children are not yours you cannot possibly love them as much as your own.
This argument fails. Simply ask any parent who has adopted.
I married a woman who had two boys with two other men. One lived with her parents and the youngest lived with us. When we got together he was about a year and a half old. We bonded and I LOVED that kid. I was working 12 hours a day 7 days a week graveyard and woke up to a note saying it was over. The youngest was 5 at that time. Greatest kid on the planet in my opinion. Ripped right the f~~~ outta my life and I was ripped out of his. To this day I don’t even bother the argument, since I still feel like shoving my fist through the back of anyone’s head who says non parents cannot love a child that is not theirs as much as a child that is theirs. Took me YEARS to get over her doing that to us. F~~~ you emotional retards and your entitled “I’m a parent and you’re not so you have no say” bulls~~~.
Thanks for letting me vent….again. lol

Philosophy, the female repellent

[MyselfParticipant 353]

Scandinavian wrote:

Not having any yourself means you’re not qualified to an opinion on the matter. Children are the best thing in life.

By that logic, having kids yourself means you’re not qualified to an opinion on the matter. There are better things in life than devoting twenty years to raising children.

Seriously though, it is a deeply personal thing. I know I would love to be a father, but I also know I love the time and freedom that has come without that responsibility. I would not be where I am today had I wound up having children.

We just cannot see in advance where this path or that path will ultimately take us in life.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

My daughter is part of me, and I see me in her many times.
This is rewarding when they are good qualities etc.

This is obviously a very sensitive topic.
Seeing I am a father may negate my views here regardless of my words..

Why??
One could argue that because of my position, I could not be objective or unbiased in any stand I take.
Of course there is the other side of the coin that one could use to rebuttal.

For whatever it is worth, without the love from my daughter, I too may have checked out in my darkest hour about 7 yrs ago.
While I spent a month in jail, it was the only thing that kept me from losing my mind…

The jail counselor telling me, “Your daughter loves you & wants to live with you, no matter where I am.”
Yes, my daughter watched me be arrested & knew where I was, and why I was not there for Christmas that year.
She was about 9 1/2 yrs old then.

I understand the title of the thread, but I for one have never had it be a question for me regarding my daughter.
To have one or another one NOW, with how f~~~ed things are, I would have to say in word…

NO

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

Imperious twits who tell one whether one is qualified to have an opinion on a matter, as Scandinavian described, should be told what else they are qualified to do.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Genes won’t get passed on? Well;, if one is healthy enough, the genes can be passed on at a sperm bank, if a guy desires it that much. But, I don’t think that is the whole part. There is a desire to have the label, and tribal connections also that matter.

I see some men do want to have children, in order to have someone they can train and impart things on, that can go on. There are other ways to do this, but the default is children as the social norm (Blue Pill thinking).

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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