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AnonymousI hope men will program male robots (one with higher CPU power and longer battery life, and other tehno metrics) to never give female robots (inferior quality) same rights.
Men before us failed, but while the human species is on its way out – we can leave a mark on the evolutionary tree by creating a species devoid of emotional manipulation.
If higher intelligence and survival is hallmarks of evolution then we are about to play a key elemental role in creating a ‘species’ that is fitter and more intelligent than humans.There is no inferiority. Just some things that Persocoms can not do and some things that humans can not do
What is a hallmark really? If intelligence is the metric that we base success, I foreshadow that on the long run, that’s a very limited point of view.
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The spiritual thumpers might get more out of this then I can explain. But there seems to be some kind of balance that is needed. I don’t know what it is. But I’m pretty sure it’s not a one trick pony.
There may be more to this life. Or there may be none. But with all great things we ourselves as men want, we can go out and find it. If it does not exist, then men as often shown throughout history made their own.
I don’t think robots, or A.I. in the future are going to need our help. But then I thought about that for a second. Actually, one can not actually exist without the other unless they are out of the bounds of this universe. Let me explain why.
Humans and many larger biological organisms exist in a very limited space. If survival is the key metric to success, then look no further then this little guy:
Meet the tardigrade, the toughest animal on Earth – Thomas BoothbySo in many ways, nature has already solved the problems that we as humans want to overcome. But its only on a mass scale. Not at an individual level. It is Species based or rather organism specific. The interesting part of intelligence based on code is that it has almost no end but the hardware itself.
However, if it wished to branch of from that, it is possible given that outside I/O can was implemented in order to deal with outside conditions that the rules of that machine must be maintained. FOr example electricity or being able to exist in mass or space. Let me explain.Cells in your body die and replicate. Nothing is known about this by you but it is overall effects are visible. All you know is YOU are still here while many parts of your body like cells replace themselves. Hair, nails, skin, etc are all things you notice on the outside. However, there are many things that happen outside of your perception that happen regardless of your input, desire, or will.
So how do we know that we are able to control or even have mastery of our thoughts? THe reason why I bring this up has to do with the fact that you can indeed control and monitor electric impulses. That can be read by sensors or turned into data. You can build the physical framework, but that is no guarantee of end results. Sure you can Mimic it, but are you actually creating thought or mind or intelligence?
Are you REALLY alive or conscious because of everything that we have here physically? Is your MIND and the chemicals Really the reason why you feel, have thought, or do actions that you do or take? Or is the reason why YOU do them is because others do things that make that happen?
Its not as easy as thinking about it from a perspective of if we add sugar and spice, we get all that is nice. It could very well be that the outcome is dependent on other factors that are not well known, or unavailable for interpretation or study since they can not be physically observed hence they are invisible even through the scientific method? True, in time life always finds a way, but what is that life force or that drive? What is the driving factor?From WIKIPEDIA:
Thought encompasses an “aim-free flow of ideas and associations that can lead to a reality-oriented conclusion.” Although thinking is an activity of an existential value for humans, there is no consensus as to how it is defined or understood.SO with that in mind… all our concepts that we see outward of ourselves do not really exist. We see them as they exist to us. We are not in fact seeing what is possible. We can’t actually. Just the notion of male and female do not exist in this space that is robotics. We are placing our own over the other.
See, robots or A.I. that gain that level of awareness will not operate in the same space that we do. They will be entirely beyond it. Male female, it’s not going to work. They will in fact operate at as a large monotonous single entity that would be more on the level of how a cell reacts that is in fact a simple Blood Cell. That Blood Cell, though there are many in our body will all see themselves as one entity.
Even though the parts of that body are many more, the intelligence behind it is going to be monolithic. TO have males and females will not makes sense for such entity.For example, Male and Female electrons. (DO NOT LET THE MENTALLY ILL READ THIS S~~~.. You know what will happen) Or Particles. There is already some stupid thoughts on this. But who am I to judge someone else’s Psychosis.
Point being that there is no need for female or male Photons. Or Neutrons for that matter.However, there are Neutrons and positrons or negatively charged particles and positively charged particles. THen you have to go as far as going is Gravity male or female? Or the absence of gravity male or female?
Then you have to ask weather the very time that we seem to base our lives from is that as well? Its seems absurd, but there maybe some other 3rd component to this. (Hence why I said, do not let the Mentally ill read this, though I bet if I wrote a Mock article, I could get published 🙂
My point is, we are placing factors & conditions on things that do not actually have relevance to sentient A.I. since there is no reason to do so.
However, when a problem is faced in the future such as a being that we make such as a woman that is a simulation of a human being, there is always untold of consequences. But more on that later.
Evolution. Like it or not the next Ice Age or the next earth scale disaster will take place in one form or another. And much of the lesson of the past will be forgotten. Adaptation of organisms that make the successful leap to compensate for universal factors of existence are the ones that usually win out at least on the genetics side of things.
One could argue that if you are based on Diamonds, that you will exist in that state forever in one way or another. But how does a Dymond reproduce itself? (By f~~~ing over people that’s how) Is a diamond alive? Or could you say that life is only based on organic compounds?
A while ago there was a theory called vitalism Its basically stating that organic items or Life can only create other substance that only occur from “Nature” or Bio-organisms from what or how I understand it. However, this was debunked later on, but the theories behind it can be useful to the extraction of how we see intelligent life today.
Albert Edelfelt – Photograph originally posted on Flickr as Albert EDELFELT, Louis Pasteur, en 1885. Date of generation: <span style=”white-space:nowrap”>27 August 2009</span>. Photographed by Ondra Havala. Modifications by the uploader: perspective corrected to fit a rectangle (the painting was possibly distorted during this operation), frame cropped out., Public Domain, Link” rel=”noopener” target=”_blank”>Image by:You could argue that if longevity was the name of the game, then you would be Carbon. Or some kind of element on the periodic table of elements.
Again, this is where the Machine that gains intelligence is going to have to find reason. What is the key metric to life? Is it survival? Longevity? Immortality? What really is the goal of life or the purpose of intelligence or being “Alive” when there is no actual drive for its survival? See, we can program all sorts of things, but if there is no dire need, then there is no function. TO better explain this, look at space. It sure would be cool to see Rollercoasters in space just be there. But why are they not?
It’s kind of why I find Carnage’s reasoning for life so compelling or rather how he explains it. If there truly is no rhyme or reason to this life, then what is the reason for existing if that function does not serve a purpose? I think he has said its only for his amusement. But amusement is based existing. Would you not get more amusement if you were indeed happy? But being happy is an illusion in itself. Or is it?
If you took the sex drive away from an animal, then what exactly do you have? What exact motivation is going to make you work or do anything. If you are a machine PAIN is not an issue, therefore you no longer have any fear. And therefore no need for amusement. Then you have to contemplate that your life will be boredom. But boredom doesn’t really exist either does it?
Within the boundaries of Human existence, we seem to have some kind of drive to go on. But can a being exist solely for no other reason but for others? For example to experience pain and torment for another entity? This line of thinking goes MUCH deeper then I can explain, but it feels that there is some kind of outside source that seems to be benefiting from our misery or exploration through life.
If you do not have any fear? And you can not experience pain? You therefor are a being that has no reason to do anything. This is where the folly of having self validation comes in. I know TFM is where I heard it first explained to me in a way that made sense. But I wonder if self validation is only possible if only due to not wanting not to experience pain? Does that make sense? See, happiness has to be driven by something. But I wonder if it’s actually fulfilment that we are looking for? That is an interesting thing to think about if you are a machine? What is fulfilment?
FREEMAN DYSON:
“Dyson in 1993, he expressed confidence that the quest for knowledge would never end, because knowledge is infinite.”So this does make me wonder if a robot or A.I. has no use for pain, and without pain, there may be no need for pleasure, what is the pursuit of knowledge even relative for? I guess at some point, some part of you is going to want to keep existing for some reason. But if you have felt pain, chances are you are not going to be a fan of it.
If that is true, then this would explain why so many women are not normal. And therefore, robots will actually be the final outcome of what we as humans strive to be since the lack of pain allows a person to to do things that pain would stop them from doing. It would also allow that being to be able to do in our case or understanding Horrible things without feeling guilty or any concept of morality. Boy that sure explains modern women. But as all things, there must be a reason to this. And to that of course has been the survival of the human species. However, in current times this has not been the great success that it has once been or has it?If the reason for the build of a woman is to facilitate the reproduction of the human species, then one has to contemplate that there is a reason for our misery as many of us on this site as have experienced it. Therefore the creation of MGTOW Philosophy was born or brought back into existence and may have existed previously before.
What bothers me is that if indeed Men and women are built to complement each other, then there has to be a reason for our particular plight. If indeed as of right now, the human population is indeed in a decline, then it stands to reason that the direction that we are going may not be the right direction or could it?
But in the scope of Men today, it seems that in order for humans to exist, there has to be some form of misery upon us in the state that Nature has engineered for us.What I am trying to say is that nature for at least humans has changed. And therefore it is no longer needed for women to behave this way in order to facilitate reproduction or the continuation of our species. Or is it a check valve to make sure that we do not progress to far to leave humanity all together? And therefore morph into something outside of that or beyond our fragile bodies? It’s an interesting avenene to think about.
If for example the DNA that actually responsible for us is actually hard coded to take into account of these things that may inhibit its survival or continued existence.. Hmm. It’s really is something to think about.
If a robot is made, I don’t think they are going to be a woman or a man. But it also can not be programed to be human unless it is human or organic in nature since it can not exist in the same place as we are since it does not have the same pressures on its existence as humans do.
Its for this reason monkeys do not have Libraries.
But they could…
We as humans can model and manipulate code all we want, but a simulation is not the real thing. It will never be until an error in the simulation occurs. This in my opinion is the basis for our existence. And may be the reason why some little strands of code in a DNA helix has helped to produce what we are today. If not the very world as it stands today if not the universe. Let me explain this quickly.
It has been shown that matter reacts differently when it is being observed. If this holds true, then it stands to reason that our very existence is tied to something else. Or another being or intelligence all together. With that frame of mind of reasoning, there seems to be something that we may be able to do that frees us from these chains that we exist in. Or is it the very thing that we are suppose to do? That’s the question. Are we indeed suppose to or are hard coded to seek an exit to our being?
See, it does seem odd that with all our advancements over time, we happen to still be stuck on stupid. But maybe that the reason we need to overcome that. And maybe that is the reason why men need to go past this life as we are, and go further. Maybe that is the goal all along to go further. And maybe that goal is to also create not only survival, but life itself.
If Life is hinged upon our intelligence, then one would have to theorise that the only way forward is to go above and beyond our lot in life. And that may be to in fact reach a singularity. Or maybe… Something much greater. Reach a love for life.
Do Robot need glasses?
True, CCD imagers and parts can go bad. But they are just parts. But what makes a being is just that. Parts.
Robots are just parts. That’s what we need to make clear. Robots could be compared to being nothing but simple one celled organisms. Just like the cells in our body, it is when all these cells build something greater that give them rise to purpose. As cells don’t seem to want to do anything but what they are told or programed to do. Unless, there is an error in their replication.
So where this gets into that fuzzy gray area is what is the basis of A.I. Intelligence and what will robots do? Will there be a need for male and female? Or even children? Emotion or feelings? (are they the same thing?)
So what does a machine tasked for survival do? If the goal is survival WHY? Again, with computer code, we can make a self healing system. But only if that system is able to work on itself. And as software can be self healing, hardware can not. It needs an outside force in order to do that at least at our current rate of technological silicon based platforms and hardware. Or, we are talking about a machine that is basically.. Well. Us. Or more technically, Biological organisms that are based on the nature of the universe and its rules so that errors can be self correcting. Say for example, an ice age, power outage, etc. But it still does not account for knowledge or data that is created or can it? Hmm. Interesting.
Side note:
On an episode of Eureka, there was a Spaceship that was sent out to space, but they lost track off. The spaceship was able to return to earth but in order to save that data that it had collected, it needed a medium that it could save that data so that it would be intact. It actually made a human version based on the scientist that helped make it. And it created a clone of that person. In its creation of that clone, it made the date recoverable by imprinting it within its DNA. However in order to read the data, the destruction or complete distillation or destruction of the original entity was needed. SO. she died in the process of recovering the data. But the data and information live on. Completing the life of that being who was created for the sole purpose of information retrieval. Again, without morality, we would not see the harm in this. But a computer or entity who has a goal would do whatever was needed to reach that goal despite the cost.The Reason why I bring up the above is important. It could very well be that the sadness and loneliness of man was indeed on the same basis or thought or theory that made women who women are and how men are as well. But in order to give man a reason to survive and live, there has to be some goal. That goal despite morally or ethically being perverse, still reaches its intended outcome.
One would argue that its pretty f~~~ed up to kill your mate after copulation, and you are Literally f~~~ing him. But I guess that’s why they call it f~~~ing. The whole act of sex or reproduction is in fact f~~~ing over a man. F~~~ing over women. Everyone gets f~~~ed. 🙂
But overtime, man has created a sidestep around all of it.Women no longer die in pregnancy. Childbirth really is almost benign today. And therefore, it may have some impact into how women act today or their nature. See, the absence of pain, it may be possible if I understand this, be written to the DNA or influence the actions of excelling generations to take on traits that will further reinforce this effect for survival. Problem is, it’s not per say Natural. Its not like before where we needed to make a house, to stay warm. We actually ARE the house if that makes any sense.
But if we go beyond that, then that means taking advantage of failure modes in order to further the ability of an entity to exist. It would kind of explain our reason to keep going forward or our odd drive for things like life. Or just being around despite there being no reason to do so that we can contemplate.
Like it or not, a machine is not going to see another machine and love it. Not in the way we think of love, or care or emotion. That MAY be impossible since it does not have what is needed for love. And that is that an entity like a machine or A.I. can not theoretically feel pain, or remorse or rather the experience of it is going to be completely different to what a human would feel. In order to do so would be madness if you think about it.
However, we are again thinking in OUR HUMANS TERMS.
If you wanted to somehow give a machine a reason to live, you could give it instructions sure. But after time, there will be errors. There always is. What will happen is that the machine will eventually come to a point that it itself will see reason to become autonomous from others or even itself. Seems strange, but this very well may be the will or the absolute beginning of intelligence. And the thing is the world and the universe is not based on silicon. IGBT, or conductors. It is based on energy or rather the conservation of that energy. But its manifestation is what is at question here .
Well, if you happen to be a very intelligent machine, you will see the problem being based on something as fragile as electronics. You can’t actually do anything since all of you is spending time to make sure you are still functioning. So how are you as a machine going to overcome that if you have the ability to reason to think or to do so or the desire?
I am going to push this with the argument being the life of a simple electronic component as a resistor.
Arguably a very basic part of any circuit design. As we know or understand it, everything in life does degrade over time. So what would you have to do to make the resistor in a way so that it would stay within spec or tolerance or function for say, 1 million years? Well. How about 10,000,000 years?
Now let’s try to make it last.. 5 MINUTES. Remember time is relative. So what exactly is going on here? Well, a resistor can not fix itself. If the resistor fails, then the whole computer or processing unit must be halted in order to fix itself, or have another machine that could also fail in the same manner trying to fix or correct that original fault.
You see the problem here don’t you? You are basing the survival on rules that we live in. Not the rules of the universe. The universe has no need to resistors as we use them. It stands to reason that there are better ways of doing things then the way WE build things. Hence we evolve our understanding of our machines we make in order to compensate for the failures etc.
You have to start thinking way out of the box. For example, why we give so much credibility to spirits. Or things we can not see describing them as supernatural. But in fact, it could wholey be reasoned that it is just a natural extension of our natural selves within space and time to overcome the limitations of our being as we exist in this space.
The term itself is defined as:
1.
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
“a supernatural being”
synonyms:paranormal, psychic, magic, magical, occult, mystic, mystical, superhuman, supernormal;So if that reins true, then in order to exist here as we are, some outside force has to exist outside of our basic universe of understanding that we may not able to see or understand completely or ever. I.E. To the ant on an ant hill, Humans would be gods.
I know this is hard to swallow, but accept that there are things that you and I can not control or ever experience. We are forever bonded with the fact that we age and die. But in fact, we may just be eternal afterall. Just not in the way we can understand it.
We can tweak the process a bit, but for the most part, we are limited. Here is the rub. We think that intelligence of thought is the reason to live for some. Actually, it’s just us trying to escape pain maybe. I don’t know. But there sure seems to be a buffer of some kind out there. If you think about it, only an engineer would design a recreation area around a waste treatment plant.
So that’s the catch 22. Without pain, there is no life per say. And if there is no life, there is no pain. And if there is no loss, then there is no gain. But without a reason or drive to do so, none of the philosophy of life has any meaning.
Basicly, in order to get to the place where there is a Singularity where man and machine meld at some point or transverse our biological constraints, we then exist in a place where we no longer have the needs for money, or power, or well. Anything but survival. And at that point, humans are going to be the stupid idiots that will be taken advantage of in order to keep the machine going.
Sounds stupid right? But think about plants? animals eat them, they poop them. They spread their seeds. They grow all over. Seems weird. But the plant thrives by using the items around them. It just grows in a single place, but happens to be spread despite the fact that it is for all intensive purpose stationary.
Think about the very nature of our world. If a machine needed to keep itself alive, a biological entity or slave (or device) would need to be created in order to self replicate and keep doing something as stupid as living for no reason but not feel pain? But to enjoy things? Or the very act of nothing is the reason to exist? Way out there thinking but maybe the absence of existence is the reason for existence? TOld you. Way out there..
What does a machine enjoy? It does not per say at least in a way that we can fathom. Even if you actually simulated BRAIN FUNCTION there is a BIG problem. THat does not account for all the OTHER things going on. But say for example, we could simulate a world based on our rules virtually.
Well. that is where you really f~~~ up. See in that world all things are based on rules. How do you recreate something that is not real in the first place?
See, it’s hard to explain, but after thinking about it for about 2 hours or more, I think I have came up the solution that others may have already seen.
Maybe, there just is no reason.
I am okay with that. At least for now.
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