Thus spoke Zarathustra – Nietzsche

[Sigma LondonParticipant 37]

I’m sure anyone philosophically inclined has read this by now but I want to point out a paragraph that reflects us as MGTOW and raises a serious question:

“Are you one of those who had the right to escape from a yoke? Many a one has cast away his last worth when he has cast away his servitude.

Free <i>from</i> what? What does that matter to Zarathustra! But your fiery eyes should tell me: free <i>for</i> what?

Can you give yourself your own evil and good, and set up your own will as a law over you? Can you be judge for yourself, and avenger of your law?

Terrible is it to be alone with the judge and avenger of one’s own law.”

I think this is the hardest part of MGTOW. Giving our utility and love to women is/was a huge part of our identity. Instead of taking the easy way out where all the answers to our existence lie we have opted to free ourselves but “free for what”. I expect most of you have your own answers now, but I see a lot of the newer MGTOW guys in pain and I remember that pain myself.

 

[John DoeParticipant 743]

We have not cast off a yoke, but rather found a new one in brotherhood as we learn and reach towards a new vision of society.

We have the right to cast off our yokes and the evidence is that many of have done this.  But we also have the right to take up a yoke.

I do not agree entirely with Nietzsche, but I do not disagree entirely with him either.  If we can decide what is good and evil and that is in our nature, than if we don’t decide then we are going against our nature.  To go against our nature leads to deficiency in who/what we are.  Would Neitzsche have to view that as evil, since that is the thing he was struggling against?

If I took Neitzche’s advice and decided that my own will was law, then I would be submitting to his idea and essentially his law and not my own.  Going even deeper into his argument, has he even come up with the concept of law on his own?  Because if he hasn’t then on the micro level he is still obedient to some extent to something outside him, and that is itself the concept of law.  The fact that he is making an argument about law only proves law exists on its own terms with its own existence because the law has affected Neitzche enough to submit an argument about it.

Obviously we are free to do and believe what we want.  One can simply observe existence and notice that is the case.  But does it bring about a fuller existence?  Or rather a deficiency?

If we are to find any truth in philosophy, it can not be limited by the men who brought it.  The greatest mistake in philosophy is the religious worship of the philosopher or philosophy.  Observation, in its purest and simplest form, is the most important thing.

[FoolProofManParticipant 1]

Nietzsche has my undying respect especially for his way how he dealt with “academia”/intellige-whores. Its because they have done exactly what you describe – they took science and seeking of Truth in general and perverted it to Religion/Evil.

God (the real one/not a human) created LIFE not religion. Its actualy pretty staggering how much effort  “civlization”/hell will go through in order to deny the fact that you cant lie to the “thing”/being that is essentialy your source for everything real. By denying the real power and constantly pretending and lying you get what we have now in this world.

Nietzsche had a great way of putting it and this book is just The one that anybody should at least try to read. At least twice. Once for start and secondly after you digest it and live it a bit.

[mikaalParticipant 6]

I am currently wrestling with myself similar to this at the moment. I have acknowledged that I am Sisyphus and ultimately all that’s matters to me is myself and what I choose to do with this life, yet I am not sure what to do with it yet. So many paths are at my disposal.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Every moment of every day I am compelled to choose. I must choose what to do and how to do it (even breathing for example). I must choose how to deal with the outcomes of my prior acts, and I must choose how to deal with circumstances beyond my control.

Alternately, I can surrender to my established habits or the demands of others. This is also a choice in the strict sense: It is the choice to let others run my life.

So, it looks like I’m in broad agreement with Nietzsche.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

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