Thoughts on Trump?

[NewgroundsParticipant 558]

It’s disgusting since I made this post the media has tried to cut his head off over 100 times, It’s crazy how the liberals are so terrified of losing control of the herd that 100s of articles have been written about him shaming him in just 4 days. All the media attention about him and lying Ted’s wife, they literally latch on to anything they possibly can.

|Right Wing Death Squad| Swallowed both Red Pills /pol/MGTOW

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Trump is an unhinged madman with poor self-control. I don’t want his to be in control of the largest army that the world has ever seen.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[Anonymous 22]

Stargazer wrote:

I’m not a social or political scientist but here’s how I see the illegal immigrant situation:

People come to this country to find work to make money that they can’t get in their own country. They’re willing to take great risks and do incredibly difficult and stressful tasks for long hours for much less pay that any U.S. Citizen would accept. Their illegal status gives them no protection and is used as a constant threat against them organizing or seeking a better deal.

Essentially our economy depends to a large degree on this economic underclass being denied rights and protections.

If we gave them those rights, they wouldn’t be worth having here for economic purposes and if we sent them back, the work they do would either cost many times what it does or not get done at all.

So it’s not surprising they take whatever advantages they can of us because we’re taking advantage of them. If you believe our country would be better off without illegal immigrant labor, then I believe you have a weak grasp of the true costs of many of the goods and services you now receive as a result of their presence here.

I honestly hope Trump wins and kicks them all out because it will expose the hypocrisy of people who claim that they are a drain on our economy rather than the drivers of so much of it. Agriculture, construction, hospitality, food preparation, yard care, child care, packing, shipping… name a long hour, low pay job that can be done without legal rights and you’ll find illegal immigrants doing those jobs. Throw them all out and who’s going to do those jobs? Certainly not me or you.

I was wondering why nothing has been done about illegal immigration in the USA. But it must be like you said.. they want them in the US but don’t want to legalize them. So, they just want the illegals to work hard and everyone else should just shut up and accept the situation as it is.

The US government should stop lying to people. They come up with excuses like “we don’t have the resources to deport them”, or “they deserve a better life” and other BS when they just want to exploit these illegal immigrants for cheap labor.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Anonymous wrote:

they just want to exploit these illegal immigrants for cheap labor.

WE. We want to exploit illegal immigrants for cheap labor. We benefit from low prices, we benefit from not having to do these jobs ourselves, we benefit from their lack of legal representation and health protections and we justify it to ourselves by demonizing them.

Not to mention that WE are the government.

There are no lizard people from Andromeda making these choices, it’s US and the sooner we take responsibility for it, the sooner we can act to fix it, or at least be less hypocritical about it.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Working people have to compete with these immigrants, and their wages are depressed by it, or they are squeezed out altogether. Just providing some balance. Cheaper prices mean nothing when you make zero.

You are speaking of the experiences of individual people whose jobs have been outsourced or made cheaper by economically oppressed labor forces. I am talking about the choices made by society at large which have enabled these events to occur in the first place.

The is a fundamental difference of opinion here. On the one hand is the idea that globalization is a tool of the corporate elite designed to enrich themselves at the expense of the public. On the other are individuals in the free marketplace making choices which ultimately undermine their own viability.

Rather than point the finger at “them” and say it’s “their fault” that things are the way they are, I choose to take responsibility and point the finger at myself for the choices I have made. In every town where the “mom and pop” shops have gone out of business you’ll find a community of local people who went to the big box store in the next town over to save a few bucks until one got built in their own town and drove the mom and pop shops under, or something of similar effect. For my part, I can not choose to buy cheaply produced electronics from China at B&H in New York to get rock bottom prices, no tax and free shipping then lament the fact that I don’t have access to a high paying electronics manufacturing job and my local Fry’s has closed.

At the end of the day, all the tinfoil hattery and blame throwing in the world isn’t going to change a thing but choices you make as an individual to take those hard jobs at those lower paying wages, buy those locally produced goods and services at those higher prices, give political and economic power to oppressed labor forces and protect the rights and living environments of the people who do the s~~~ work your quality of life depends on will make a difference.

There no bogeyman immigrant trying to take your job, there is only you and millions of others like you making decisions that cause that job to fall below the level of economic viability past which you wouldn’t be willing to do the job yourself or, in the case of H1-B visas, that make the education and skills required too much for you to reach at the price that the market is willing to pay for them.

Honestly, as a person so bent on self-determination, I’m surprised you’re so ready to blame someone else. I hope you’re planning to vote for Trump so that the reality can come home to roost. It will be an interesting world indeed when all of the jobs that immigrants do for us cost ten times as much or stop getting done at all because “real Americans” won’t pay a fair price for them and won’t do them themselves.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Society is an abstraction, and one which you pointedly refuse to include the victims in.

Trees number many and are real but forests are an abstraction. Air molecules number many and are real but wind is an abstraction. Numbers number many and are real but equations are an abstraction.

Shall I go on?

Ridiculous.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

You’ve made no point.

We’ve been through this before and I maintain that you are either a troll or, worse, that you actually believe everything you say.

But for for the benefit of people who may really not have grasped my point, I will elaborate.

By claiming that society is an abstraction, you assert that it is merely an idea, not an actual thing that exists and has power and impact… at least I assume you know this is what “abstraction” means.

Society is to individuals as a forest is to trees, wind is to air molecules and equations are to numbers. Not only are they all the sums of their individual constituent parts but each, as a whole, exerts synergistic power far greater than that of the combined powers of their individual parts.

Society and the other systems I mentioned are not only real, but their potencies expand non-linearly as their scope increases when compared to that of the individual components which comprise them. To say that society is not a real thing and has no power would be akin to suggesting that a tsunami is less real and powerful than a puddle of water or that an atomic detonation is less real and powerful than a pound of powdered uranium.

Do you understand my point now?

It is childish and absurd to even suggest that the combined choices of three hundred million people simply have no weight or impact. Such an assertion literally renders you intellectually invisible to any person with a functioning brain. You may as well simply shout PUDDING! for all the value you bring to this conversation.

Honestly, I’d say talking to you is like talking to a woman but I can’t as I have actual respect for some women. At least a few of them are capable of simply not saying anything and thereby APPEARING to at least have some sense. Clearly even that is beyond you.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Stargazer wrote:

Trump is the pseudo-fascist hero the right wants, but not the one they need.

Pseudo, as in false. I have asserted here on numerous occasions that Donald Trukp is not a true fascist but that he merely borrows from the fascist rhetoric playbook.

Quote me saying otherwise.

[Anonymous 42]

It doesn’t matter who sits in the glorious white house, the madman’s mansion on the Potomac flats.

These minions of carbon tax are attacking any ideology that denies their hobnail goosestep march to gain more and more dominion over national sovereignty with the erosion of individual rights!

A government of the government, by the government, for the government).

They hobnailed marched us into this mess, they’re gonna hobnail march us out of this mess! Except one thing, you and I wont be here, they will!

At some point the GDP won’t even be able to pay the interest on the debt (all p~~~ed away on cronyism).

We’ve gone over the edge financially and no one wants to admit it, they fudge the numbers just like they do about global warming, global cooling (summer/winter) climate change!

Gun grabbing, right’s grabbing, tax grabbing, people grabbing.
It’s only gonna get worse, not better.
They’ve abandoned all forms of due process under constitutional values, they write their own values like an army of dictators, many of them are above the law, answerable to no one! Think about that! ANSWERABLE TO NO ONE???

We’re no longer protected by law, instead we’re continuously ENDANGERED BY LAW! ENSLAVED BY LAW! CONDEMNED BY LAW! DISPOSABLE UTILITY>>><<< and douche bag.

A government of children with loaded f~~~ing guns!

The darkest day in history for liberty, independence, and freedom, and all these swindled stupid f~~~s can do is keep up with the Kardashions!

Those that forget the past are CONDEMNED TO REPEAT IT!

Baby parts, baby parts, get your baby parts, you ma’am, would like a baby heart?

The only thing the white house has to offer is “who’s in charge of hell on earth”.

[NewgroundsParticipant 558]

Woah a battleground went on here, whoever wants to give Americans the advantage over illegal immigrants has my vote. Globalization is a scam just like global warming/global cooling/climate change.

|Right Wing Death Squad| Swallowed both Red Pills /pol/MGTOW

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