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Hi,
I noticed a pattern amongst mgtow-esque material out there on the web that have to do with white guys pairing up with asian girls as a means to get revenge or show off to the western/white girls who at one point or another rejected them or screwed them over.
As an ethnic Chinese guy who grew up in Canada, I pretty much consider myself Canadian at heart. However, having been raised by Chinese parents and being exposed to the inner workings of the Chinese/Asian community, it allows me insight into both sides of the coin.
There are two mutually exclusive types of Asian girls. It doesn’t matter if the girl is a westernized Asian or what we call FOB Asian (someone who grew up in Asia and only recently arrived). There’s the Asian girl who will only date Asian guys and there’s the Asian girl who will only date non-Asian guys (mostly white).
This is in marked contrast to western/white girls of which a large percentage are rather impartial to race. I know this is a cliche but it’s more about the individual guy himself and how he makes her feel than his background. In other words, a white girl doesn’t have a “purpose.” She isn’t going to date a white guy or an Asian guy or an Arab guy as some kind of political or cultural statement. She perhaps may mostly end up with a white guy because white guys are the kind of guys she happens to meet and also have more in common with but it’s not specifically because of his racial background.
Asian girls have a political purpose when choosing to date a white guy. I’m not saying there’s no genuine affection between an Asian girl and her white boyfriend. The two could very well be in love and have a great connection. But there’s a strong component in Chinese culture and upbringing that puts a strong emphasis on putting aside personal feelings for prestige reasons. Anyone who has lived in Asia and even experienced a little bit of the culture will know Chinese/Asian culture is very much about status and face.
Even though many Asian countries are as rich and technologically on par with western countries, there is still this pervasive inferior feeling of the Anglo-Saxon race. This inferiority complex began when Commodore Perry of the US Navy fired the first cannon shot in a Japanese harbour and when the Chinese lost the Opium wars against Britain. To you westerners, this may have been just another war from the hundreds of engagements that occurred but it was a serious psychological blow to the Chinese who for a large part of 2000 years thought of themselves as the most superior race and civilization. There are also more minor reasons such as aesthetics. Chinese and Asians value paler skin as an attractive sexual quality.
I’d like to emphasize that I am by no means a bitter Asian guy. I am happy for AF/WM couples who have found happiness with each other and have nothing against them. But sadly, most AF/WM couples, I actually believe the real victim is the WM. He is the one being exploited. On the outside, it looks like the opposite. The white guy with the colonial submissive asian girl. It doesn’t help that Asian girls are outwardly submissive in appearance to further persist that image. I grew up with white guys and many of them have been my good friends and colleagues. Besides the small minority who have some sort of “Asian fetish” or yellow fetish, I know that most white guys who end up with an Asian girl are sexually attracted to all kinds of girls.
What I’m worried about here is the devious thoughts of the Asian girl. It may feel good to a white guy who after receiving rejection or betrayal from western/white girls that he finds success with an Asian girl who is smitten with him and who is also thinner and more subservient and more sexually attractive than her western/white counterparts.
However, I’d like to put across some facts. I work in the consulting industry and I spent some time in Shanghai which has one of the largest western expatriate communities in Asia. I’ve seen lots of interracial dating, mainly AF/WM as most of the western expats are male. I recall an incident where I went to a party where everyone brought their spouses. Here are my observations:
1. The Chinese girlfriends of the White Males were almost 90% significantly of lesser beauty than the Chinese girlfriends/wives of the local Chinese guys. A part of this may be in the differential ways that Chinese guys and White guys perceive beauty but generally speaking, there was a marked contrast.
2. The few White female expats that were there, most of them came with a Chinese guy rather than a White guy.
3. The Chinese girlfriends of the local Chinese guys were not at all curious about the White guys and even viewed the the Chinese girls dating them with some disinterest and in a few cases, disdain.
4. There were all-white couples as well and this was mostly in the case where the White male was some sort of “higher up” or a real rainmaker. Someone like this could probably have his pick of the litter in both the west and China but his wife is a WF.
The above are just observations. And not universal truths obviously. But I have to say, I have seen more or less the same in cities in North America such as Toronto, San Francisco, etc.
Asian girls are the products of extremely patriarchal societies and they will use their sexuality for status. Here is one major pattern I’ve noticed. The Asian girls who exclusively date Asian guys are ones who had strong, good fathers. A good father figure is very influential in a girl’s mental and sexual maturity. The Asian girls who dislike or even despise Asian guys are almost exclusively ones who grew up in poorer socio-econonomic circumstances where the father was of low status and in some cases a domineering loser. Someone who could not hack it career-wise and support his family and was so ashamed of it and took it out on his wife and daughter.
Most Asian girls who grew up with a low status but domineering father will associate all Asian men with her father and paint them with a negative brush. She will prefer white guys. Now, if you’re a white guy dating this type of Asian girl, it may feel refreshing to have a girl who is all smitten with you. But those of us who have been in relationships before, particularly long-term relationships. The physical attraction and sex are like alcohol and drugs and their effects wear off over time. As popularly said, 50% of great sex is in the head and is about an intimate mental connection with your partner. Also, how much could you actually value a girl who disrespects her own father. Unless he was some abusive lunatic, he was most likely just an immigrant who found it difficult to adjust in western society and didn’t have the educational credentials. In better circumstances, he would have been a normal man.
In marked contrast, the Asian girls who exclusively date Asian guys are not only tend to be more physically attractive but their family backgrounds tend to be higher on the socio-economic ladder and most important of all, you’ll notice they have healthy relationships with their fathers. They respect men in general and although they are guilty of being status-conscious, they are of the lesser evil.
In summary, all I’m trying to do is to shed some light here. If you’re a white male and you’re having an awesome time with an Asian girl, all the power to you. But I’d like to make an observation that the guys who tend to be attractive and charismatic attract girls from ALL races. If you’re a white guy who has been rejected and stepped over by white girls but you’re finding success with Asian girls, it’s because those Asian girls have a political/cultural purpose in mind. They’re using you plain and simple and it may feel great now but over a long-term relationship, it’s going to come back and bite you.
As an Asian-Canadian male, I have no inferiority complex. I could be what you call a high status Asian male. I have a six figure salary, a good social life, and although I’m not good looking, I have had some sexual success with girls of all races. My reasons for going MGTOW are largely intellectual although personal experiences definitely play a role. But I have to say, in the small chance that I do decide to one day pursue a long-term relationship with a woman, it would be with a western/white woman.
I’ll take assertiveness, bluntness, and maybe even feminist leanings over deviousness, ulterior motives and the status-seeking and inferiority complexes of Asian girls any day. I believe MTOW has been overly harsh on western women (mostly deservingly so) but also has overlooked the deviousness of Asian girls.
On a more macro-economic note, I invite you to take a look at the birth rates of the richer East Asian nations such as South Korea, Japan and Taiwan. Their birth rates are even lower than most western countries. It’s obvious that in Asian societies where women become more liberated and have greater independence, they are just as devious and even more so than their female western counterparts.
That is all for now. Hope this was insightful.
P.S.
The best girlfriend I’ve ever had was this French-Canadian girl who with her Catholic upbringing and the fact that she grew up in a small town in Quebec and had no exposure to non-white guys swore that she would NEVER date outside of her race and viewed “immigrants” such as myself as undateable. She and I had a fabulous couple of years together. And she’s the only ex-girlfirend I view back with any sort of fondness.
Like I said before, most western/white girls, as members of the Anglo-Saxon race which for now is the most economically and technologically superior in the world, have no political gain by the guys they date. It all comes down to the individual and his qualities and to me as a visible minority, that’s what I’m grateful for. Read above for why this doesn’t work with Asian girls.
I have limited experience with American born Chinese girls so I can only attest that they are exceptionally clever when it comes to social manipulation as well as aggressively dirty in the sack. My ex-fiancé was what you would call FOB Japanese, though, so I can speak to that if you don’t mind this being a general discussion of Asian women and not just Chinese girls.
I agree with everything you’ve said so far about Asian women pretending to be the subservient stereotype that most Western men imagine… pour your beer, massage your back, make your lunch and call you honey all the time… sure, Japanese women are great for that! But it’s also true that they totally dominate their men in the home and that, I believe, is the cause of the tendency toward what you called “herbivore guys”.
In Japan they call them soushoku kei danshi which is literally “vegetable eating style men” as opposed to nikushoku kei danshi or meat eating style men. Japanese women will tell you that young men become soushoku kei because of the twenty year long economic recession Japan has been going through… that there are no opportunities for bright, hard working young men to achieve wealth, buy big cars and houses and live it up with expensive food, clothes, parties and travel like they did back in the ’80s when Japan was on top.
The truth is, I believe, that this analysis has the entire equation backwards. The recession isn’t causing young men to drop out of consumer culture, live in tiny apartments, collect comic books, play video games, eat cup noodles and fantasize about f~~~ing robot women… young men dropping out has caused the recession.
While older women in Japan run the household (collecting their husband’s salaries and turning their modest homes into rococo nightmares of cats, doilies and cutesy s~~~), young women live at home and mooch off their fathers then go out and work throw-away jobs in retail and food service so that they can earn $30k a year which is 100% disposable. They take this money and use it to collect designer handbags, quaff frilly drinks in sparkly nightclubs, wolf down $50 gold leaf encrusted crepes, and take weekend vacations to Hawaii with their girlfriends. These women are called “parasite singles” because not only do they not need careers or husbands to pay their rent (living off their fathers, as they do), they know that no young man who might be willing to marry them could possibly keep them in the lifestyle to which they are accustomed.
These are the women that so many pick up artists and bitter old anglo men idolize as the perfect examples of traditional, 1950s style females. Sure, she’ll be dependent on you and treat you nicely until she can speak the language and stay in the country on her own legally, but she is definitely no NAWALT (or maybe AWANLT for Asian Women are Not Like That) and will sell you to the glue factory as fast as any other woman once she has used you for all you are worth to her.
This ex-fiancé of mine… she rolled up on me like a f~~~ing freight train full of flowers and makeup and t~~~ and made me WANT to believe that she was going to make my life better than it could ever possibly be otherwise. And I fell for it… for a time. But as soon as I proposed, the veil came off and I began to see her for what she was… just another woman who was looking for a mule to hitch her wagon to… and the wagons of her family and friends as well.
Don’t be fooled, men… they may be Asian Women but they’re still women. Culture and language barriers might mean it takes a bit longer for the shine to come off, but when it does, you do not want to wake up to that harsh reality having not only signed the contract, but having also paid the import fees as well. You think it’s hard to divorce an American woman… try paying to bring a woman over, marrying her, divorcing her and then having to pay to send her, your kids and half your stuff back with her.
Eddie Murphy RAW – Foreign women
Update:
At the 2:20 mark the new wife from Africa learns how to be an American Snowflake and gets a short course in divorce law.Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
You gotta have money to get the pussy. Women clap and cheer.
No romance without finance. Women clap and cheer.
You got to have a j.o.b if you want to be with me. Women clap and cheer.
Ain’t nothing going on but the rent. Women clap and cheer.He should have just shortened the whole thing and said all women are whores.
As a Hispanic male, I’ve had less issues with dating Asian women than I did with Latinas. I still think women, no matter what race they are, will use hypergamy to their advantage and pussy isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. For some reason, as attractive as white women are (me being a Hispanic of white racial background) I just never really cared although I used to bang em exclusively in my early 20s. I used to rail this hot Italian girl back in the day, but then I just stuck with either Latinas or Asian women (all kinds of Asians, not just Filipinas) To be honest, Asians are far more approachable for me personally than Latinas ever were and with all the hype surrounding Latinas in the bedroom, the Asian women were actually better in bed (so far, the Koreans are the best lovers). All I can really say about Asian women messing with Hispanic guys is its not common, but in all reality when it comes to women of any race in general, personal experiences will vary depending on who you are.
I can say for certain that the majority of post wall Asian women are rude, manipulative, entitled t~~~s.
They have mastered the phony persona, smile and all, that they use to get men to do things for them.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.Then there are those Asian women who flirt with you for ulterior reasons. Here’s one example.
When I was in grad studies in the late 1990s, we had a student from over there join us in the lab. About 2 years after she arrived, I started courting her. It turned out that she was still canoodling with the boyfriend I thought was out of the picture.
Looking back, I think she might have been flirting with me in hopes of getting an anchor baby in order to stay in the country. (The kid would be a citizen for being born here and the media would have a field day if she was deported.) It turned out, she didn’t have to worry about that. She and the boyfriend eventually shacked up and they got married nearly 15 months later. Their daughter was born about 2 or 3 months after that.
I also suspect she might have had an affair with our supervisor. He was a randy old goat and she was enough of a slut to go along with it. The thing is that she was clever enough as it was without having to resort to something like that.
As it turned out, she recently got tenure at a university elsewhere in the country.
@heartcrossedangel: Nice to see you man and thanks for those observations. I’ve got some experience with Asian girls, so here’s my take on it.
From 2007-2010 my personal assistant was a Japanese girl. (23) starting grad school HOT, kind of quiet, and we had a lot in common even though I’m older.
While she was doing stuff in my office, she talked a lot about her older sister (25) and her whole family thing. Funny thing was she was only interested in white guys
and the older one wouldn’t date anything but Japanese men. Both girls had the same dad. So, I think my experience has been different from yours. White guys like me have varied results with the asian girls and you are right: their family upbringing has a lot to do with how they are and what they expect from men.
I haven’t spent much time in Canada because I never enjoyed the weather, but I can imagine there are all kinds of different little pockets of multinational culture there. And good pickings for the hunters especially along the coast.
Anyway, I’ve had Chinese, Flip, Vietnamese, Korean, Japanese, Indonesian, and Malaysian girls over the years and at some point it was all the same: they needed money and especially for the Chinese ones a marriage so they could get a permanent VISA in the good ‘ol USA. The last Flip girl got her walking papers when she was laying next to me after sex and mentioned that she might stab me in the middle of the night (WTF!!!!). The last Malaysian used me to get into the USA gov’t system to eliminate the cost and requirements of her visa by sucking dick and going up the ladder until she snagged a beta who had cash. Didn’t stop her from coming by one of my shows to “see if I was ok”. Jesus Christ. The Chinese girl was probably one of the most beautiful girls I’ve ever seen anywhere in the world but she stomped out and never came back when I told her I would get her the VISA but it would be 30 grand-her paying me- and no marriage contract. She found another guy and proceeded to take him to every restaurant we ever ate at to show off her engagement ring to all the staff. I’m not bitter about her though, that was some of the best pussy I’ve ever had, period.
I think MGTOW are each in charge of their own destiny my friend. MGTOW should date if they want to. Most of the ones that are older and single are still trying to recover financially from what their wives did. I’m rebuilding myself right now but every man should do what works for them. I’m not here to bash women but rather to try and educate and protect myself and other men from having their lives destroyed.
@ListenUp! said “the last Flip girl got her walking papers when she was laying next to me after sex and mentioned that she might stab me in the middle of the night (WTF!!!!).
Holy Shiet!
Time to Ghost Dog a Hoe!
Asian chicks are probably the most devious.manipulative kind when it comes to their gender,they know a lot of guys have “yellow fever” and they will exploit that to the hilt. I see it all the time up here in oil country,we have a lot of Asian gold digging prospectors here and they usually latch onto a guy with more money than brains-which isn’t hard to find btw.I just either outright ignore them or keep it professional & platonic if it is a co-worker.Speaking of Filipinos, they send most of their money home to family and that usually includes a husband as well but of course the dumb mark doesn’t find this out till it’s too late-if ever.
@heartcrossedangel Thanks for the insight. I’ve got a fair amount of first hand experience in Asia, but never had thought about the father factor…. currently dating a Filipino girl that has given me some major red flags and your comments certainly connected a few dots for me.
I have been working as a chauffeur for a while for some well-off white people, and any asian tail they would pick up would be a nightmare – they were all screaming textbook definitions of a gold digger. And ever since – If I think of a gold digger – an image of a asian chick automatically pops up.
One of the guys was seriously dating this terrible chick – her birthday was coming up – so she started talking about engagement rings, the guy got cold feet, so she pretended she had a mini-stroke to keep him there. When it didn’t work – she had another two!proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome
I’m also one who’s rolled snake eyes with Asian women.
The foreign grad student I chased after while I was working on my Ph. D. was a good example of why I should have left things well enough alone and ignored her. A few years after she started in our department, she seemed to take quite a fancy to me. Eventually, I concluded that maybe she really did like me and I responded accordingly. That was a dumb move on my part.
I thought that she was flirting with me because she dumped the boyfriend she had. I couldn’t have been more wrong. I eventually found them together in our lab and she, quite rightly, looked very embarrassed. I continued for a while, hoping that she’d be rid of him once and for all, but I gave up after a few weeks. I should have ended it, but, a few months later, she started flirting with me again. (Yeah, I know–I was a slow learner.) I tried again and give up the following year.
Those two eventually played house, she got knocked up, and they eventually got married. The kid arrived about 2 months later.
It wasn’t until much later that I began piecing things together. I strongly suspect that she wanted an anchor baby and I would have been the perfect sucker–er, father. She would have given birth to a citizen and I would have paid for the brat for the next 20 years.
Then something else occurred to me. While she was maybe hoping to end up in bed with me, she was busy carrying on with that boyfriend, presumably for the same purpose. He would have been the kid’s father but, since I would have been canoodling with her (or so she might have hoped), all she needed to say was that the kid was mine. (Now where have we heard this sort of story before, eh?)
Since I’m originally from Europe and she was from Asia, that might have been a touch difficult to pull off. However, she could always go back to Gregor Mendel’s experiments with peas and claim that the kid’s Asiatic features would be as a result of dominant genes or some such thing. Ah, you say, what about a paternity test? Well, all she needed to do was to hire some shyster immigration lawyer and that probably would have been blocked. Since she wasn’t a citizen at the time, she could claim that any attempt to check the kid’s DNA would have been a violation of her or the kid’s civil rights as well as an act of racial bias.
Now here’s a joker in the deck. We both had the same thesis supervisor and there was evidence that the relationship the two of them had was less than arm’s length. I can’t prove anything but certain things didn’t add up. Maybe the two of them were carrying on as well, which wouldn’t have surprised me. He was a randy old goat and she was enough of a slut to go along with it. Also, when she moved in with her boyfriend, he became quite owly, making me wonder about just what was really going on. Maybe she was hoping for another source of an anchor baby……
I guess I dodged a bullet when it didn’t work out with her, eh?
P. S. It wasn’t until after I started looking into MGTOW that I re-evaluated what happened with her. That’s when the full extent of the game she might have been playing became apparent and the whole thing, as I just described it, started making sense.
AWALT
Fuck this planet.Asian girls are the products of extremely patriarchal societies and they will use their sexuality for status. Here is one major pattern I’ve noticed. The Asian girls who exclusively date Asian guys are ones who had strong, good fathers. A good father figure is very influential in a girl’s mental and sexual maturity. The Asian girls who dislike or even despise Asian guys are almost exclusively ones who grew up in poorer socio-econonomic circumstances where the father was of low status and in some cases a domineering loser. Someone who could not hack it career-wise and support his family and was so ashamed of it and took it out on his wife and daughter.
Most Asian girls who grew up with a low status but domineering father will associate all Asian men with her father and paint them with a negative brush. She will prefer white guys.
Interesting parallel between asian women and white women then..
White western women are like this too, grew up with good father, almost exclusively dating white dudes.
Grew up with a s~~~ty father and low income or her mom was single, she will prefer what she saw on the TV everyday, black dudes with gold chains and 250,000 cars. Go out, n f~~~ a black guy imagining shes doing something right. Usually bouncing around the BBC carousel until she ends up single mother (Black men aren’t f~~~ing dumb). Today’s media LOVES to put the white women sitting next to the black doods everywhere.
I don’t give a s~~~ personally what a woman decides to fill her snatch with, I’m just saying.. I’ve seen this in America too.
Like I said about foreign women.Don’t drink the NAWALT kool aid . There is no special repository of NAWALTS anywhere in the world.
frankly my dear i don't give a damn
Like I said about foreign women.Don’t drink the NAWALT kool aid . There is no special repository of NAWALTS anywhere in the world.
This. A thousand times this. No, more like around 3.6 billion times this.
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