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I am a 64 year old self-described “Vietnam Era” male. I graduated from high school in 1969 near the height of the war which more or less defined my social and political views. I came from a low income family and ripe for the draft. However, since my father died while on active duty in the service, I was given a IV-A deferment. Unfortunately, I had several friends who were drafted, some who never came back. It left a very bitter taste in my mouth because concurrently, the feminist movement was gaining traction which has evolved into the situation it is today. I earned a doctorate in healthcare and worked in private practice and for the State of Texas in the ’80s. During my tenure with the Texas Department of Criminal Justice a wave of “sexual harassment” charges and suites began to surface. In 1989, myself and 3 other colleagues were charged by our mostly female subordinate staff with sexual harassment. The charges were very vague but included inappropriate touching, telling jokes with sexual content, and job discrimination based on gender. We had to go before an administrative board and eventhough I was found “not guilty,” it tarnished my career and I eventually resigned. I had been married for about 6 years and at the time my wife was very supportive of me. In 2009, I had a critical illness which affected my marriage financially, psychologically, and emotionally. My wife was getting a lot of pressure at her job because I required intensive hospital care and then home care while I recuperated. As a result, I took medical retirement and have spent most of my time at our lake house which was in dire need of repairs and a place where I could find some peace, solitude, and enjoy my hobbies which include fishing, hunting, water sports, hiking, or just piddling around the house and yard. Since I had been working in the area since 2001, I would stay at the lake during the work week and come home on the weekends. What I began to notice at our primary residence was disturbing however. Over time, the house became increasingly cluttered with her “stuff.” A lot of it was seasonal decorations, but combining that with her work clothing, shoes, toiletries, etc., she had taken over the bedroom, master bath, sitting room, living room, kitchen, and guest bedroom. I am pretty much relegated now to a small office with my belongings with the rest of my things at the other house. We recently discussed the reality that I will not be able to stay at the lake house forever, due to health concerns and other issues. I am already making efforts to make the lake house salable by getting rid of items that I do not use, but getting her to make room for me at our primary residence has been like trying to baptize a cat. At work, she has moved up the corporate ladder in the largest privately owned real estate management and development company in Houston. She is very active in her church and several professional associations. Over the past 3 years, between the demands of her job and other commitments, she is showing signs of chronic fatigue and stress. It has begun to significantly affect our marriage of 34 years. I understood that young men are facing difficulties in the workplace and also noticed the increasing misandry in the media and among a spreading cross section of women, especially those 18-26. To better understand what is happening and how it seemed to be impacting my own relationship, I found MGTOW. I discussed the ideology behind the phenomenon with my wife as a matter of casual conversation and got a reaction from her that was totally unexpected. Her reaction could be best described as indignation, as if my interest in MGTOW was an attack on her. The problem is, she did not even bother as far as I know, to research the subject. If she did, it was cursory and through the lens of anger. It seems to me like a double standard. Women are supposed to realize their potential by engaging in whatever social groups and associations that empower them, but if a man attempts to do the same thing, he is labeled as being radicalized at best or a misogynist at worse, in the case of MGTOW. Right now we are going through some self help exercises. She found something by Rick Warren who is pastor of the Saddlebrook mega-church which is basically Christian based counseling. However, the way it was coming across to me, was like gratuitous affirmation. Although I was raised and active in the Catholic church when I was younger, I have gravitated toward agnosticism as my theological believe system. I suggested a secular book and audio CD to her “How to Improve Your Marriage Without Talking About it,” by Dr. Patricia Snow. Her thesis is based in large part on evolutionary biology and how men and women see and react to the world due to the way our brains are structured. Her belief is that trying to “talk” over marital problems is an exercise in futility and may actually make a bad situation worse. Her program put heavy emphasis on ACTIONS, not words, as the best way to get through a marital impasse. I will keep the group updated as things progress. In closing, I am a firm believer that the USA is in a financial and social mess and that geopolitics and the economy will define the next ten years. It could be as problematic as the inflation of the ’70s and 20% interest rates of the ’80s, all the way to a total economic collapse which will turn the USA into the next Yugoslavia or Syria. Most Americans believe that such a scenario is impossible. The fact is, that it has already happened here during the great depression and the near financial collapse of 2008 which is still weighing on the economy. We could see massive unemployment especially among young and older women, with single women with children being the hardest hit. If these events unfold as I expect, it will be a social game changer where we will all be struggling to satisfy our basic needs such as food, medicine, personal safety and security. All of the political and social distractions we are now preoccupied with will become less meaningful as we struggle just to survive.
Anonymous18Thanks for sharing your story Dr. ManUp. It is quite unique in a sense that you’re still married and working through the kinks of a 30+ years of marriage. I guess its normal to have to work things out. 34 years is a long time and I expect myself to evolve in to a different variant of myself every decade as life keeps surprising me. Good luck with the marriage. I hope your wife becomes more accommodating.
Her reaction could be best described as indignation, as if my interest in MGTOW was an attack on her.
I brought it up casually when my last relationship was starting to fall apart. She reacted angrily and was furious. I believe it is the truth and they don’t expect men to be aware. So far as I can tell they even hide it from themselves. Unattached women attack MGTOW using shaming language, and married/attached women react angrily. Either way its somewhat of a universal reaction based on what I have read and experienced.
Her program put heavy emphasis on ACTIONS, not words, as the best way to get through a marital impasse
I am pleasantly surprised that a woman came up with that approach to improve relationship. I personally haven’t sat through any form of counselling but from men here it has been typically the woman counsellor taking sides with the woman/wife and blaming it all on the man and expect him to make the changes. I have always believed that words are worthless and fluctuate on emotional states. Actions speak louder. There is not only intent that is shown but the consequences/effort that go along with actions. Words are for women and how they feel in counselling. And they are good at painting the men in negative light using their victim-oid narration.
Welcome to MGTOW. Do keep us updated how the situation works out between you and your wife.
“Married MGTOW” is a contradiction in terms.
As many of us explained in a thread yesterday, you cannot be passively married and also be a man going your own way. If you were married and working towards your divorce, I’d be one of the few here willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. However, you’re not working towards or planning for a divorce. Furthermore, the “I’m here and she’s there” living arrangement you describe and your references to counseling makes it obvious that you’re still trying to save your marriage.
MGTOW isn’t about saving marriages. MGTOW is about avoiding marriage and getting out of marriages.
MGTOWs do not marry and, if they “take the red pill” while married, MGTOWs end that marriage as soon as practicable.
Get back to us when you file for divorce. Get back to us when you become a man going his own way.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Anonymous42Dr. ManUp, it’s nice to hear it from someone else with more time on this planet, I’m preparing for the eventual utter collapse of the dollar, the abuse and corruption is unsustainable, I predict we’re going to see the ruination and extermination of the middle class in years to come, all roads lead to Rome, and Rome is engulfed in a firestorm! The cultural changes appear to be like a terminal cancer, we know the patient is going to die, the only question is when?
MGTOW isn’t about saving marriages. MGTOW is about avoiding marriage and getting out of marriages.
Ok, so he’s MG-curious. We don’t need to berate married guys here if they’re looking for answers. We should set an example by living the life and support those interested or curious, regardless of their current situation. Semantic debates are a huge waste of time.
My $.02
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
OldBill is right technically.
True, I am right “technically”.
By the way, have any of you bothered to look at our new member’s forum name?
Doctor MAN UP.
That’s right. Man Up. The two word phrase feminists, manginas, and governments the world over repeatedly use when they try to shame us into returning to the plantation. We just need to man up. Marriage isn’t that bad. This new book by a woman doctor on marital problems might just hold the solution to making it all work.
Go ahead and lay out the welcome mat for a married man with a classic man-shaming nickname who not only isn’t planning on divorce but is actively trying to save his marriage because he’s obviously one of us.
I’ll just be over here waiting for a few more bona fides.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Ok, so he’s MG-curious. We don’t need to berate married guys here if they’re looking for answers.
I’m all for providing answers, suggestions, and links to the curious.
I’m just a little suspicious about someone who not only posts a rambling monoblock of text, but also admits they’re married, admits they’re trying to save that marriage, and even provide book recommendations on marital advice.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
I’m with you on this old bill..fishy..sniff sniff..
Anonymous18Doctor MAN UP.
I assumed it was him being sarcastic as to what he’s likely told by others. Or what he’s read online about men on his situation are usually told.
I sense a genuine concern and a man reaching out to seek some support and guidance.
I could be wrong. But rather be guilty and be free than be innocent and imprisoned.
My take is men first. Mgtow second. MGTOW encompasses married men who found out about it after their diagnosis.
I know we have had a long discussion on marriage and mgtow earlier this month. I am not trying to hijack the thread. If DrManUp is looking for some guidance or finds himself in sticky situation I encourage him to seek help here…
I’m just a little suspicious about someone who not only posts a rambling monoblock of text, but also admits they’re married, admits they’re trying to save that marriage, and even provide book recommendations on marital advice.
It didn’t click for me but if you put it that way…. It makes me wonder. But I would like to give OP benefit of the doubt. 🙂
Well, on a happier note, I was a MGTOW in a relationship, till last friday. Now I’m a free bird. She dialed up the crazy and expected me to ride in on a white horse and save her. Instead, I decided to save my money and sanity…..now I’m single. If you seek to eliminate drama from your life, being single takes you a long way to that goal.
Silpheed's Mom Quote: "Having PMS is no excuse to be a bitch.."
Again this????dude you are.married you are.in a contract with a woman and that state you are not a.mgtow ,pretty soon we gonna have in here a lots of married men claiming they are.mgtow because they do what they want, lol you are married if you wife decide to use that system against you she can do it and you will be screw
Dr.manup funny.name seems to.me.like some feminist skank made her way into.mgtow.com
Doctor MAN UP.
I assumed it was him being sarcastic as to what he’s likely told by others. Or what he’s read online about men on his situation are usually told.
I sense a genuine concern and a man reaching out to seek some support and guidance.
I could be wrong. But rather be guilty and be free than be innocent and imprisoned.
My take is men first. Mgtow second. MGTOW encompasses married men who found out about it after their diagnosis.
I know we have had a long discussion on marriage and mgtow earlier this month. I am not trying to hijack the thread. If DrManUp is looking for some guidance or finds himself in sticky situation I encourage him to seek help here…
I’m just a little suspicious about someone who not only posts a rambling monoblock of text, but also admits they’re married, admits they’re trying to save that marriage, and even provide book recommendations on marital advice.
It didn’t click for me but if you put it that way…. It makes me wonder. But I would like to give OP benefit of the doubt.
I’m not willing to give OP anything, the fact that he is spouting this nonsense of saving his long dead marriage and promoting a book on top, by in and of itself has me reaching for my bow and arrows and setting up a shot right between the eyes of this “dude” climbing the walls.
OP, i will warn you right now, im going to recommend to Key-Master to put you on the catapult to be punted, but to hold off on the actual punting depending on what his next post is.
OP, you are officially “on notice” for this… fishy wall of text, and after reading it, and depending on your next posts, i will let keymaster make the final decision on whether or not to punt your ass out the door or not.
However, i will say this, the fishy smell is disgustingly strong with this one KM, prepare the catapults!
My peace of mind is worth more then your vagina...cunt.
Brothers, please give him a chance. The concept of MGTOW was not well defined in 1981 when he married. We are here to support ALL men who seek to free their minds and live a life on their own terms. No need to punt…..yet.
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