This is why I find discussion of what it means to "man" to be bull

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Oh, it sounds nice enough at first. Get together and discuss what it means to be “a man” so you can be able to stick together, and have brotherhood/fellowship/etc… You get to have benchmarks on how you are doing and have meaning. It sounds good, on the surface. I see, discussed around the MGTOW, discussions of what means to be a man, and masculinity, etc…

Well, let me give you an example, why I find this talk bull. Consider this about me section of this website:

About Us

And this part I find bull, and will explain why:
Guys today are neither the mindless, sex-obsessed buffoons nor the stoic automatons our culture so often makes them out to be. Our community is smart, compassionate, curious, and open-minded; they strive to be good fathers and husbands, citizens and friends, to lead by example at home and in the workplace, and to understand their role in a changing world. The Good Men Project is a place where that happens. We’re glad to have you along for the ride.

All this ends up being expectations to meet someone else’s agenda, not mine. It is about measuring up, to fit into some sort of role someone else defined to fit this “changing world”. This is bull I have no room for. I don’t need anyone to tell me who I am. I need to figure this out on my own and bargain better on it. If you want to know why I end up balking and what it means to “be a man” discussion, this is why. I am not having any strangers over the Internet tell me what works for me or not. And I certainly have no room in my life to work on the husband and father part either.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

I have a penis, thus I am a man. The end.

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

That website is for ultra manginas.

The way I see it, that site is designed for men looking for answers and to trap /trick them, prevent them from comming here to MGTOW.com

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[HitmanParticipant]

when you go your own way ,
YOU decide what a “man ” is.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

goodmenproject.com

really??????????????

imagine a website called goodwomenproject.com

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

Blue Skies wrote:

goodmenproject.com

really??????????????

imagine a website called goodwomenproject.com

It would just end up becoming a knock-off, just like “WGTOW” is to MGTOW.

[Anonymous 12]

If you look throughout history it took more than just one type of man to create society and explore and expand empires. For every strong warrior who was prepared to kill there was a scientist learning how to make things and life better, there were tradesman and engineers making better ships and tools, artists painting and sculpting history to ensure there were records and writers recording everything as well as writing poetry and stories.

Every man played a part and the best of the best were that periods version of MGTOW’s.

I’ve long walked away from the idea of what “A man” should be because I know that society wants me to be a slave and women want me to serve them.

I live for me.

[AFTParticipant 2726]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

strive to be good fathers and husbands, citizens and friends

There is nothing wrong with any of that, under ordinary circumstances, however this gynocracy is anything but ordinary, now before I sign up to any of that, I need to know what’s in it for me?

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

understand their role in a changing world.

My role has changed from being slave to gynocracy, to a free man putting my own interests first, being a father and husband got thrown overboard with all the other dead weight.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 54]

Anonymous wrote:

If you look throughout history it took more than just one type of man to create society and explore and expand empires. For every strong warrior who was prepared to kill there was a scientist learning how to make things and life better, there were tradesman and engineers making better ships and tools, artists painting and sculpting history to ensure there were records and writers recording everything as well as writing poetry and stories.

Every man played a part and the best of the best were that periods version of MGTOW’s.

I’ve long walked away from the idea of what “A man” should be because I know that society wants me to be a slave and women want me to serve them.

I live for me.

Yes!Every Man contributes in his own way.Always be your self,anwser to only yourself.

[the roadParticipant 3125]

I have an X and Y chromosome, I am a man.

The next time I hear some dumb t~~~ say “man up” I’m going to tell her that unless she has a dick, she has no clue what it means to be a man.

#MANOUT

[bstoffParticipant 4878]

I think that website was created by women to control men. They know if they make it look like it was his idea, he will agree to it. Typical wife behavior.

[Enjoy The DeclineParticipant 1719]

Blue Skies wrote:

goodmenproject.com

really??????????????

imagine a website called goodwomenproject.com

I bet that if the goodwomenproject.com site is actually made, it is only going to open up a can of worms with the feminists, since we already have sh*t like “fat acceptance” that the women created in our lives. I am sure that you would have these feminists think that a site like goodwomenproject.com would actually not advance their agenda also, since I do not think that they actually care about society as a whole since they only care about their own endeavors.

"Question everything" - Albert Einstein

[WarratahParticipant 895]

I know that site – it’s absolute rubbish. Its all about being a good man – for women.
Its all about acceptance, tolerance, sympathy and support (for every piece of weirdness EXCEPT our malehood).
So, if your toddler is exploring its trans-sexuality or your wife is contemplating a bi-lifestyle and you need help in learning how to be more understanding and supportive – by all means, join up.

...And in our own despair, against our will, Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Agamemnon; by Aeschylus

[AttonParticipant]

The what it is to be a man argument is f~~~ing old as s~~~.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

True masculinity is incompatible with civilization.
In the modern world, you are a “real man” if you work hard and shut up. That isn’t very fulfilling.

In nature, you are a real man if you hunt.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[Mr. ManParticipant 2916]

The domain “thegoodwomanproject.com” is available. If I cared enough, I’d buy that f~~~er and put up a one-page website explaining what a good woman is to a man in these “changing times.” If I wrote it truthfully, women would read it as either satire or an outright mysogynistic attack on their holy, special Cupcakness.

However, the scales have fallen from mine eyes, and I see the cupcakes as they truly are: innately not good. So what would be the point.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

Oh, it sounds nice enough at first. Get together and discuss what it means to be “a man” so you can be able to stick together, and have brotherhood/fellowship/etc… You get to have benchmarks on how you are doing and have meaning. It sounds good, on the surface. I see, discussed around the MGTOW, discussions of what means to be a man, and masculinity, etc…

Well, let me give you an example, why I find this talk bull. Consider this about me section of this website:

About Us

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And this part I find bull, and will explain why:
Guys today are neither the mindless, sex-obsessed buffoons nor the stoic automatons our culture so often makes them out to be. Our community is smart, compassionate, curious, and open-minded; they strive to be good fathers and husbands, citizens and friends, to lead by example at home and in the workplace, and to understand their role in a changing world. The Good Men Project is a place where that happens. We’re glad to have you along for the ride.

All this ends up being expectations to meet someone else’s agenda, not mine. It is about measuring up, to fit into some sort of role someone else defined to fit this “changing world”. This is bull I have no room for. I don’t need anyone to tell me who I am. I need to figure this out on my own and bargain better on it. If you want to know why I end up balking and what it means to “be a man” discussion, this is why. I am not having any strangers over the Internet tell me what works for me or not. And I certainly have no room in my life to work on the husband and father part either.

GOOD MEN PROJECT IS A SPIN-OFF OF “EVERYDAY FEMINISM”

GOOD MEN PROJECT IS A SITE MEANT TO TEACH MEN HOW TO BE GOOD PROVIDERS AND GOOD MANGINAS.

GOOD MEN PROJECT IS A SITE WHERE FEMINISTS ARE TRAINING MEN LIKE DOGS.

END OF TRANSMISSION.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

bstoff wrote:

I think that website was created by women to control men. They know if they make it look like it was his idea, he will agree to it. Typical wife behavior.

Bingo.
It’s the same site of Everydady Feminism.
http://goodmenproject.com/author/everyday-feminism/

Good Men Project is even worse than the priests and the tradcons
Check that

3 Ways Men Wanting to ‘Focus On Her Pleasure’ During Sex Can Still Be Sexist

Here they’re even trying to shame “MEN FOCUSED ON HER PLEASURE”! Using the word “toxic masculinity”!
Oh, really, “HER” pleasure??? Toxic masculinity???

Go away, that has ten tongues, women just only one tongue.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I would add here that I am also talking about more than just a spin to indoctrinate men to be a foot soldiers for gynocentrism, but even manosphere stuff, and what you see even in the MGTOWsphere. All of it doesn’t have a man ask what is in his interests, but in the interests of others. So, a core interest of what works best for me is gone here.

Some examples:
* The original MGTOW Manifesto: https://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/mgtow-manifesto/
– You can say there is some good points in there, but it drags me into a campaign of instilling values into women. I am also supposed to take my time to form and attend social club meetings. What do I get out of it?
* I look over the agenda of the Men’s Rights Movement, and I don’t see a single blasted issue that is relevant to me, but it is supposed to matter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement
* There is the RooshV side, which appears as an incarnation of the PUA material, and also tradcon with neomasculinity:

What Is Neomasculinity?

* Piles of advice given, and seeking to be defined by a group you belong to, rather than your own identity:
http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/traits-of-a-real-man.html
– With that list comes the agenda for not yourself, but because others feel a certain way, and with this example, you get advice on treating women in it:
http://chadhowsefitness.com/2011/01/20-characteristics-of-a-real-man
– It goes into childhood also, which would make some sense, but slips in values here: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Parents%20Corner/how_to_make_a_man_out_of_a_boy.htm

This point here, from that article, doesn’t make a boy an adult, but a foot soldier. This advice here doesn’t prepare a boy for a society that changes on whims, and where structures are changing on the fly:
2. Teach him strict obedience. He will never be a good leader until he has learned to be an obedient follower, for, to be a leader, one must know the heartbeat of the follower so he will know how to handle followers. Let him know the rules; state them plainly so he knows what hey are. Tell him exactly what he penalty will be if he breaks a rule. Define the crime and the punishment so he knows before he commits it whether it will be worth it. If I were a boy eighteen years of age and my dad said to me, “You get home by 11:00 o’clock tonight; I’m going to fuss at you if you don’t!” I might be tempted to spend an extra half hour with my girlfriend and take Dad’s scolding. However, if my dad were to take the car away from me for a month if I were late returning home, I would stop to realize that any time I arrived home late I would stop to realize that any time I arrived home late I would be trading a few minutes with my girlfriend for a whole month of dates, and that is not a good bargain! Make the punishment so uncomfortable that it will not be worth it to break the rules. Make your son live by strict discipline and obedience. Teach him to say “Yes, sir” and “Yes, ma’am” and “No, sir” and “No, ma’am.”

* You have stuff like GQ, that pushes latest trends for me. I recall one article that told me that you don’t use ordinary coat hangers. I guess the plastic ones I picked up cheap don’t fit. It is to get me to feel insecure and play on fears I have. GQ as of this moment:
http://www.gq.com/

In this, you have to buy X, Y, Z to be OK, and fit in or something.

It goes on and on. The easy stuff to call here is this, which has “manning up” being gyoncentric once more:
https://manupcampaign.org/about-man-up

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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