Thinking of buying a new Apple laptop?

[Anonymous 18]

As a courtesy to fellow men, I would like to add an Apple Macbook Pro fiasco to the growing list of s~~~ Apple has pulled lately. I plunked more than my fair share to buy one of their laptops.

I was in no way an Apple fanboy but it seems that the disillusion is happening all over again; first it was women and now its the forbidden fruit company.

http://www.staingate.org

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6068947?tstart=0

Apple has blamed it on consumers: You ain’t wiping it right 🙂 iSheep

[RoyDalParticipant]

I did not realize this was going on. Thank you for warning us.

I have never been happy with the planned obsolescence factor in home computers: You need our new operating system. It will not fit in your present computer. You need a new computer with our new OS. Add the fact that the unit is poor quality, and it really chaps my ass!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[coolthingy450Participant 1223]

I want to add in my 2 cents, or more since I got some ideas as to how Apple reacts when doing business with others, and how people may be able to save a lot more money by just choosing something else. Please forgive me for the rough posting since it’s 1:20 in the morning.

In my option, the only people who buy these poorly made devices is for people who don’t know better (I used to be that guy) or for people who want to use these things as a fashion accessory.

Computers in the very beginning are general purpose machines, they are not going to get easy to use or “user friendly” If people don’t learn to use them or at least do their research on fixing a problem starting from A to B before going into a comuter repair shop .

Funny enough, I find that Women ironically will use them even though men made the technology, and then complain that they are being “oppressed”.

Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfrYOWlKJ_g

Well the gist of the video is that Apple hardware is not the best build that you pay for. In fact, you will have a better deal with Samsung or with one of the Nexus lineup with phones, and as for computers. Asus would be one of the best choices for laptops, For desktops, you are better off building one If the option is open to you. The OS that Apple uses is just a BSD system based system that’s been dumbed down, and stripped into a shiny turd of a OS.

Actions have consequences and consequences have prices. Cause and effect at work.

[coolthingy450Participant 1223]

They are as easy to use as you can get since a thing called a GUI (Graphical user interface) has been made for a long time. All you got to do is to refine the GUI to make it simple, which Apple has already done, for a huge mark up price.

End rant.

Actions have consequences and consequences have prices. Cause and effect at work.

[coolthingy450Participant 1223]

One last thing before I leave it at that. Unless others here want to chime in.

Apple is a very immature company from start to finish in my option. Since they don’t have much going for them, they have to borrow ideas, and then make a patent on it, and prevent others from using said ideas.

Notice a similarity with Edison and Darwin when they borrow ideas, and inventions, and then place patents to prevent others from using the same ideas, or to hide the truth as to were they got the info. Other companies that are desperate are almost no different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb8yRqqsKZc

Actions have consequences and consequences have prices. Cause and effect at work.

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

I dont like apple products, overpriced in my opinion.
Oh and about programmed obsolescence: Learn a bit about electronics, open the stuff, change the weak link for 3 dollars, close and enjoy your gear for 10 years (Thats what I do).
Already done on TV, laptop, desktop (PSU in this case), projector, fridge and DVD player :D.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I know better than to get into an anti-Apple discussion because you would not believe the POUNDING Apple users have put up with over the years – especially pre-iPhone one. My very first computer was the 20th Anniversary Macintosh 1997. A special edition machine (bronze in color) and I loved it. Got into the website biz in 2001 with Titanium Powerbook G4. The coolest laptop at the time.

I walked into the first day on the job and everyone looked at me like a leper – because I refused to work on anything else. They plopped a windows machine on my desk – decked out to the hilt – and I told them if I have to work on that thing …. I QUIT.

Within 3 years , the entire company switched. I got a mac server from them as a Christmas bonus as their way of saying “thanks”.

ONLY Lately have I been appalled by some of their customer service but mostly it’s in their attitudes in the store. The products are good, and in my opinion, worth every penny.

The current laptop I have is the best I ever owned. TODAY it’s more than 3 years old and I spared no expense getting the best SSD – which made all the difference. It was top of the line Powerbook and it STILL flies. I have never owned a laptop that long before. Usually I sell and upgrade before the one-year warranty is out and get the very latest. Yeah it costs a bit and I take a hit, but I am always using the fastest machine with the latest s~~~ on it.

What’s built in under the hood of every Mac is totally incredible. It’s a great system and machine for total novices and professionals alike.

Would recommend totally if it means anything to anyone here.
Otherwise I am expecting you to lay into me. It’s OK , I can take it,.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

I also was a mac guy from the very modest start (had an old second hand LC in the beginning of the 90s as my first) but now my 10.1 imac is just fine for what I want to do with it. Mind you I intend to stick with 10.68 for as long as possible (ie. at least for eight to ten years) since only with that operating system can I stick to all of my other software (which works just fine btw) and I simply do not see the point of being forced to buy all of my other software again in case I had to use the latest op system. Occasionally I keep getting those fancy luring messages like “free upgrade to Yosemite” but I say f**k that, I’m too bulls~~~ proof to fall for that…

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[Anonymous 18]

@keymaster, I have heavily recommended Apple laptops to everyone who asked for my 2 cents. The issue with the anti-glare coat peeling off is something that goes beyond warranty. For a 16-month old laptop that I paid close to $2900, I am afraid to use damp cloth (also provided with Apple) because it is just that easy to remove the coating as in the YT clip. Other than that the laptop has served me well.

@Ned Trent, I hear your sentiment about 10.6.8. I have a Black Macbook that is still rocking that and once I upgraded to SSD it flies.

Apple quality control is hit and miss, but with that premium price I had hoped it would be better than ASUS quality customer service.

I will end my rant here, lol.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

What I saw is that people usually stick to what they started with. People will put up with a lot of s~~~ just because they are averse to change. Switching from IOS to Windows or vice versa is unconfortable to say the least, although less so lately since both companies are copying each other. Microsoft is copying the user/display aspects of iOS and Apple started providing/copying many of the Microsoft productivity tools.
Now, more to the point, the fact that Apple has a ‘monopoly’ on the hardware is almost a guarantee that at some point, said hardware will start to suck. This uniformity crap might fly as long as it’s the best product you can find, but otherwise, consumers will start voting with their wallets and go for better quality elsewhere.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

@Keymaster, I have heavily recommended Apple laptops to everyone who asked for my 2 cents. The issue with the anti-glare coat peeling off is something that goes beyond warranty.

I feel your pain. And this sort of thing happened to me ONCE.

My eye is the most important thing… so one time – out of the many Macs I purchased over the years – I once opened up a new machine and it had ONE dead pixel. They wouldn’t replace it. I was p~~~ed. ONE black dot on the screen I had to f~~~ing stare at. Damn I was p~~~ed. I think I sold it to my brother and just got a new one. Don’t remember. It was a long time ago and I have never heard of the problem since. But a dead pixel wasn’t entirely uncommon 15 years ago. I think they had a rule, if you have more than 2 dead pixels, they would replace it. But don’t quote me.

Anonymous wrote:

I am afraid to use damp cloth (also provided with Apple) because it is just that easy to remove the coating as in the YT clip. Other than that the laptop has served me well.

I moved away from the anti-glare coating years ago. But my screen needs to be SPOTLESS all the time. So I take carbon fibre cloths (the really soft ones you can by at any hardware store) and use vinegar and water. No paper towels ever. But I will use newspaper and vinegar if , say , I sneeze on it or spit out some tomato sauce or something….. you know for more than just fingerprints.

I wipe and abuse my screen pretty well. They are less delicate than most people think..

My laptop is mostly closed and I always plug it into a bigger screen – unless I need the portability at a cafe or something. Im actually a little embarrassed because I would always highly recommend and everyone thanks me for it….. but I wouldn’t stand for this s~~~ just like you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

Would recommend totally if it means anything to anyone here.
Otherwise I am expecting you to lay into me. It’s OK , I can take it.

Nope, y’all ain’t my type.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Regarding my own attitude I guess the old phrase “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it (for a considerable while)…” pretty much sums it up for me …

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

I dont normally argue with those who like apple. Normally I give advices based on needs. For my sister, an iPhone is perfect, but I would never touch it.
Macs are closed form machines that are very good for particular things.
Many professionals like them due to the fact that they give the user less control over the system, so it is harder to screw something up.
That however is a negative point for a power user.
Not being able to upgrade individual hardware parts also is a problem for power users, as it is vital if you work with heavy rendering.
“worth every penny” That depends to who. For some it might be so, for others, not.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA49U2KR1026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883102051

And then you can choose your own 27 inch monitor here :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=monitor+27&N=-1&isNodeId=1

You would still save around 300 dollars and have a much more powerfull PC.

However, if you like the all in one format, you can always use this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883152081&cm_re=msi_all_in_one-_-83-152-081-_-Product
Still better and cheaper.
So you are paying the extra money for brand+OS (since hardware used in apple computers is the same as PCs nowdays, in fact, its not apple vs PC anymore, its Apple vs Windows).

It still does not matter if you happen to like apple products, but it is overpaying (same like beats, same like iphone, ipod).

Where do you think their massive profits come from? Its not from the sky :D. Its the cost vs sale price disparity that gives them such huge profits.
I will say that their screens are good thou, nothing to argue there.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

CatsPaw wrote:

I will say that their screens are good thou, nothing to argue there.

I second that, but the prices are insane.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[Anonymous 18]

CatsPaw wrote:

It still does not matter if you happen to like apple products, but it is overpaying (same like beats, same like iphone, ipod).

The consensus among my peers has been that overpriced Apple products are worth it because of quality and their customer service. I have been fortunate enough for them to replace hard drives and logic boards wayyyyy out of warranty. Just to walk in the store and explain to them what has been my issue has always provided me with options that wouldn’t exist elsewhere. Or so I imagine.

But it does stick like a sore thumb when you pay a bit of premium, get a crappy piece from a faulty lot and are told indirectly to suck it up.

I paid a visit to nearby Apple store and to the ‘Geniuses’ they have never heard about the coat peeling off issue. I had no hesitation telling her that I think as highly of her in that moment as a customer who plays dumb after water damaging their product and expecting a free replacement/upgrade.

Gladly there is a law firm looking in to it (same that also forced Apple to step up and provide extended warranty to faulty GPU issue with retina Macbook Pros 2011-2012 models).

This is no way meant to be a Apple vs Windows/PC debate. There is a standard/quality expectations that loyal Apple customers take granted for. If Apple wants to be like other companies that is more than fine with me. I will take the 12-year loyalty factor out when I am looking at a 15-inch Dell XPS with Windows 10. Post-Mavericks OS X is an eye sore.

Man, am I in a bitchy mode. Apologies. But do heed my warning and research the anti-glare coat issue before spending over $2k for an Apple laptop.

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

iLearn,
In my experience the customer service factor varies from country to country far more than from brand to brand :D.
The screen thing thou…. I feel like its probably a bad unit. Apple does care a lot about product quality (its part for its marketing strategy), so Id be VERY surprised if that problem was common among the laptops.

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

Linux: The ultimate MGTOW operating system.

If you haven’t checked it out lately, you really haven’t seen it.

Grab a copy of the fedora 22 here and burn it to a thumb drive or cd/dvd.

If my 12 year old daughter can install it to her laptop in 15 minutes, so can you. You can even resize your windows partition and keep it alongside Fedora (you can then choose which one you want to run when you first turn your computer on). I recommend however that you just back up all your data and just do a full hard drive install.

It’s very simple to install, and comes pre-loaded with all the word processing, spreadsheet, presentation, multimedia, and web browsing features you would want and a LOT more. Thousands of great games too from arcade classics to 3D FPS. Plus the reliability, security, and virus-free design like a mac, but will run beautifully on a $100 laptop.

I paid $60 for a Toshiba core i3 laptop and put Fedora Linux on there. I’m writing this on it now, and it works amazing.

Go your own way: Go Linux.

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[MyselfParticipant 353]

Love my macbook. I use the thing nonstop and it is easily the best laptop I have ever owned. It is my main workstation and I need to run a huge range of software. I use Parallels’ virtual machine and run windows and linux alongside. Very good integration between the three OS’s using shared folders. The hardware quality, great battery life, plus the immediate switch between OS environments makes this hands down the most productive machine I have ever owned. It really has been worth every penny for me as well.

[MKBParticipant 51]

I do not purchase apple because I have a problem with the way the company operates and I do not wish to support it. The company does not even research and develop anymore. The community sealed the deal, especially the glorification of Steve Jobs. The real genius of Macintosh was Steve Wozniak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wozniak) and most people just disregard him. As a company windows is not much better and I would prefer to run linux, but I am a gamer.

This link gives some of the reasons I do not like apple. The site has some good stuff.
https://stallman.org/apple.html
Richard Stallman is another man worth reading about. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman)

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