Thinking about Divorce at all? You MUST KNOW this:

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

So as a person who works with men going through divorces, I have seen a pattern happen too many times to ignore.  It is a cultural poison that men really, really need to understand.   If you are considering divorce and don’t take this seriously, you are basically leaving a loaded gun lying around the house:

Over, and over and over, I see the same pattern:   Someone in the marriage starts wanting out.  It could be the wife, but usually it is the husband (I think because the woman feels more justified in treating him badly if HE wants out).   There is a brief period where they try to “work on things” and the male becomes somewhat complacent.  Then, out of nowhere, a huge confrontation erupts, and becomes physical.

This confrontation is key.  Over and over, the woman reports that the guy lost his s~~~ and attacked her.  And over and over I hear the same story from the guy — “no, she instigated the fight.  I have no idea why she called the cops.  She just lost it.”

This happens so frequently, and with males who have no prior record of EVER having violent behavior, that I have to believe there is more than meets the eye.  When a woman says “He got mad and attacked me” in the middle of a divorce proceeding, she has a huge amount of credibility.   And she suddenly also has a huge advantage in the divorce.

So these males are cruising along thinking they are “doing the right thing” and trying to “work out” marital issues.  Suddenly, they are subject to a “domestic violence restraining order” along with a criminal battery charge.

That means they are kicked out of their homes, and can’t go back.  I see a long string of homeless guys checking into hotel rooms, buying new clothes, even toiletries, because the restraining orders are so harsh.

The courts normally order the “offender” to pay for the “victim’s” housing costs as well as his own, meaning that during the divorce (which is frequently filed in less than 24 hours after these “incidents”) the wife has free rent/mortgage, has possession of all the property by default, and normally has full custody of the kids.

NOBODY is owning up to the fact that a huge number of these incidents are manipulated, and basically staged by the woman to get an advantage in the divorce.

Obviously there are dangerous men out there who abuse their spouses. But I see so many males getting the very first criminal charges of their lives, their first nights in jail, right alongside their divorce papers.  I have to believe that part of it is cultural — women know, through social channels or just by watching how life happens, that this is the way to get a huge advantage in their divorce.

It happened to me a few years back — and I’m a lawyer, for crying out loud. I should have known better, but I was naive until the very end, when my wife was chasing me around the house yelling “fight me, or I’m calling the cops!”  It was so insane, and yet it worked just as she wanted it to — I was homeless, she had my kids and a divorce lawyer before I had bailed out of jail.

Now I help males in my situation, but I would like to get to males BEFORE this happens to them.  So spread the word.  And for God’s sake, if you want a divorce, get as far away from your spouse as possible, and file.  Don’t try to “work it out” while living with her  She has all the power in that situation.

[Anonymous 42]

MG-Tower’s wake up call to this horrible culture was being caged like an animal, over a C~~~! I’ll never lose my freedom to a woman ever again! I’d rather eat s~~~!

Avoid getting divorced, DON’T GET MARRIED! Why surrender your freedom to the state? I wasn’t even married, and the vindictive little bitch, snitch ratted me out for driving after revocation, a mandatory sentence. I was alone, destroyed, distraught, and angry! My freedom is to precious to EVER RISK AGAIN! THE F~~~ WITH  WOMEN ALL TOGETHER is how I felt when I was released from Jail 4+ months later. I never looked back! She has 3 bastard children now, who’s in jail now? Women are an agent of the state, not wives as one would normally expect. They’re also unpredictable!

Been there, done that!

[Bright guyParticipant 156]

Yes Smacktalk you are right.

I had my STBXW try to bait me to do the same exact thing. Its started after my STBXW got off the phone with one of her divorced friends after drinking a bottle of wine. It was shortly after I was told she was divorcing me(THANK GOD). I was working on the computer imputing my work. She came over with my drink and spilled it all over the computer, my work and myself. This was followed by the uh oh so sorry in the her cute drunkn voice.  Then it t was followed by her screaming I was cheating on her( which I was not — I later found out she had been seeing someone for a few months). She grabbed my wet  paperwork and then said ” come and get it”. I told her what ever and I walked  away. She started to rip the papers apart  screaming at the top of her lungs “DONT F~~~ WITH ME” then she saw I was videotaping the whole thing. I was warned by other friends that were going through their divorces of how their ex wives got crazy once the divorce paperwork was filed.

I didn’t take the bait. I walked out of the house and texted  her and my kids I was going for a walk and then called close friend who kept saying I did the right thing my walking out and calling him. I was told to always account for your time and make sure someone else is in the house when she came home. (GOLDEN RULE THAT SHOULD NEVER BE BROKEN)

This happened several more times until she got the point I was not going to take the bait. BETTER TO WALK AWAY ON YOUR OWN VERSUS HAVING A METAL DOOR SLAMMED BEHING YOU!!!!

 

[Chuck CanadaParticipant 4]

I know someone going through a divorce.  I’m not going to add any details because I want to keep this person 100% anonymous but I can say that he is literally getting f~~~ed over every way possible and is losing everything besides his job, that is just about the only thing he gets to keep.

 

She cheated on him and broke it off with him yet he still gets to be the one to basically buy the other person out, he quite literally has to buy his way out of the relationship even though she cheated on him.

 

F~~~ I’m glad I’m MGTOW.

 

-Thank you Barbar- the Youtuber.

[Bright guyParticipant 156]

Its always amazing how a woman can think a man could be so clueless and stupid. I found out mine was cheating before she wanted the divorce. Lets see.. hiding in the bedroom , texting away on the phone– oh no he will never find out. The proof was in the SEVERAL THOUSAND texts in a months time. Shortly after that she got her own phone acct.. followed by the divorce papers filed a week later by her.   Most men would be like ” come on lets work this out” not me I said fine. She though I would roll over and give her the world… not me.!!!

The courts don’t give a s~~~ who is cheating on who. Its all about the kids and the money.. Who ever gets the kids,  wins!!!

[experiencedParticipant]

To Bright Guy,  “Whoever gets the kids, wins!!!”       You’re damn straight.  Your kids have a winner of a dad.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

More than ten years ago, when I was married, it became clear to me that we were going to get a divorce.  I didn’t say anything out loud.  She had previously told me that if I ever tired to leave, she was going to call the police after I ‘d left and tell them that I’d been hitting her.  We both knew that the police where I live would issue a warrant for my arrest without ever seeing or speaking to me.  It was a real threat, but she made the mistake of showing her hand and telling me that plan.

Weeks in advance, I planned an exit on a particular day.  I called the local police myself, told them the situation and that they could expect a call about domestic violence after I left, so I needed them to come out in advance and watch me leave so that they’d know nothing had happened.  I didn’t tell the stbxw I’d called them.  I did it one morning while she was in the shower.  Cop showed up just as she got out of shower and when she answered door, I had already packed the two boxes that I absolutely had to have with me to continue my career.

She came to door of room I was in and said “police are here…”.  I opened door with boxes in hands and said, “I know.  I called them to watch me leave…  Adios!”.  I spent the rest of that day on the other side of town going to a series of atm machines (getting my picture taken by bank camera with date and time stamp on it), buying gas in stations with security cameras (more pictures proving whereabouts), buying new clothes, soap etc and then checking into motel that night.  It was a tough day, and a tough night….but I didn’t spend it in the local jail.  I gave notice on the lease (we were renting) and I sent her the divorce papers a couple weeks later.

If you are reading this and you are in a situation like mine, you can and probably should, do this.  The cops are not crazy about doing this, but they will if they aren’t too busy with other things.  But since they are going to get called one way or the other anyway, it’s actually less paperwork for them to watch someone leave than to have to try to arrest someone after they’ve gone.  Alternatively, you can probably hire one for 50-100$ the way funeral homes do for funeral processions, to just show up and be a witness for an hour or so while you load your stuff and haul ass.  But make it a surprise for her or she may well have a surprise for you when they show up.  Don’t forget to go to the atm machines about once an hour on the other side of town for the rest of the day when you do this.  Depending on how crazy and vindictive your stbxw is, you may well need those dated/time stamped pictures…

PS Smacktalk, your posts are enormously valuable for guys like us.  Women are becoming experts at this game and most young men don’t even know they are playing…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

BrainPilot, that was extremely well played.  Many props to you.  It sounds like an insane amount of hassle, and as a laid-back guy I would never have done it, but now, that’s exactly what I would do.  I had warning signs like you did and I foolishly chose not to heed them.  My ex told me she would ruin my life if I left her, and I chalked it up to her being angry.

As far as calling the cops, I think that individual mileage may vary, but at the very least have a neutral party know ahead of time that she MAY do this sort of thing.  As I told you, I was completely unprepared — had I warned a few people ahead of time, maybe put in writing, that I thought she would do something like that, it would have made things a lot rougher on her.

I keep waiting for a woman to get charged with false reporting for this stuff.  It is astonishing how willing law enforcement and prosecutors are to overlook women who are committing the CRIME of false reporting, when it involves a divorce.  I knew a guy whose crazy ex had called the cops literally dozens of times, to the point they started just ignoring her calls — but she was never prosecuted.

[Yellow WizardParticipant 41]

Smacktalk, Bright Guy, and Brainpilot—Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.

I’m sure my eyes grew wide when my heart chilled and convulsed while reading your advice. Scared straight.

Even after red pills I was still just barely clinging to the hope that maybe one day, with the right circumstances, I too might get married. I mean heck, now that I know what to look for, I’m safe, right? I’m smarter than the average Joe, right? Wrong.

Reading your stories is like swallowing red pills under a whole different prescription for me. The risks of marriage tremendously outweigh the potential benefits in every cost benefit analysis I try. The things your exes did to you could so, so easily happen to me. You guys save lives here, and I am grateful.

And that quote from Bright Guy! I will use it every time I talk MGTOW from now on!  Better to walk away on your own than to have a metal door slam behind you. Pure f~~~ing gold. (slightly edited, but I’ll still attribute the quote to a Bright Guy when mentioned) This fits right in with the slogan Vote with your Feet. Core methods of MGTOW tactics. Right on!

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Elemental,

Think about all the things that married people can accomplish: living together, taking vacations together, having kids together, going into business together, buying homes together, insuring each other etc.  Then, look at that list and realize that everything on it can be accomplished with equal efficiency by single people who agree to do it.  In fact, if you think about it, it’s difficult to come up with anything that married people can accomplish that single people cannot also accomplish.  But there is one thing.

The one thing that married people can accomplish that single people cannot accomplish… is the UNLIMITED transfer of cash and other financial assets between spouses without taxation.  Think on this for a minute…

If I buy a house and give it to a woman, she owes gift tax on it.  If I give her a car, same thing.  For any gift over about 10k, the recipient owes gift tax to the IRS…unless I’ve signed that marriage contract.  Then, there is NO limit to how much she can take from me and there are no tax liabilities for her.

Here’s another little piece of trivia:  When you hear about some celebrity divorce where the wife gets millions and millions of dollars she didn’t earn, she does not owe any taxes on it.  I asked a tax lawyer once why that was so.  It didn’t make sense to me because usually, anytime money changes hands, the government expects a cut.  The tax lawyer explained it this way: the government does not tax her on that money because the government considers those assets to be already hers… and the government does not tax people on the receipt of things that already belong to them.  They were hers as soon as they were earned…(never mind that she did not earn them).

So you see, women and the government see those assets exactly the same way.  HERS.

You still feeling romantic???

Personally, ever since I came to this realization, when I think of how hard I had to work to get what I have, Athena herself could stroll down from Mount Olympus in a G-string and stripper heels…and I would not be tempted to sign that contract.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

Batcave, fair enough but you still need to be very leery. Women file 70 percent of divorces. Many men are caught flat-footed and overly comfortable when women make this move.

[experiencedParticipant]

It’s eighty percent!   Walk into a room of 100 divorced women.  80 of the 100 initiated the divorce. They cannot live without you(r assets) and then they cannot bear to live with you.

http://www.uplifting-love.com/2013/08/80-percent-of-divorces-are-filed-by.html

 

maybe Southpark will have a “city deal divorce court”

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=s~~~ty+deal&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=8699027669EE207B031FBF911E866F1206401D55&selectedIndex=45

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

Experienced, thanks for the correction.  Unbelievable.  Jesus.  Men are just sitting ducks.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

It’s MUCH more than 80%.

Because women also PASSIVELY initiate divorce. i.e. by closing their legs after the marriage contract is signed. They let themselves get fat…. thereby making even marriages “initiated” by the MAN initiated by her.

Example: Tiger Woods wife decides she doesn’t not want to f~~~ her husband anymore. She knows she will get a 1/4 of billion dollar payout. You think she’s the only one? Guess again.

80% of divorce is initiated by women?? It’s a good bet 80% of the remaining 20% is passively initiated by women too. She busts her ass to be a s~~~ty wife and makes the divorce look like HIS idea. I read a PDF (and have it somewhere) penned by a divorce attorney who has proof of it in print. I wish I could find it for you.

Here’s another prime example brought to you from the last place you would ever expect: OPRAH F~~~ING MAGAZINE. That’s what a man can look forward to after 16 years of busting his ass to make her “happy” and greeting her with SMILE in the morning. That miserable bitch has a problem with how he still greets her ungrateful ass with a SMILE in the morning, just because she would rather behave like a complete bitch before 10AM. Those are her words.

She didn’t initiate a divorce, but she sure as f~~~ is wishing he would — every day of her miserable life.

Gentlemen, I present the Mid-Wife Crisis. Get ready to see a journalist package self-loathing and selfishness as introspection — and then sell that s~~~ to the dumbest bunch of cows on Earth: readers of Oprah Magazine. Oprah Magazine calls a “Mid-Wife Crisis” a “period of high irritation” lasting “one to two decades”, in which a married woman is nagged by lingering regrets over her marriage. During this time she constructively “resents the s~~~ out of her husband”, “acts like a little c~~~”, and “makes life bitchy and miserable for anyone who gives a s~~~ about her stupid ass.” One to two decades? That means your average Oprah wife is a grumpy, passive-aggressive princess for twice as long as her average marriage!

A “Mid-Wife Crisis” can more easily be explained as every man’s worst nightmare: a sexless marriage that can only be solved by writing a big f~~~ing check.

Your husband is not your personal f~~~ing Santa Claus, Ellen. It’s not his fault you’re miserable. It’s just his fault you have a roof over your head while you pout. F~~~ you, bitch. Get out of bed and be glad someone wants to see your f~~~ed-up, ugly ass before Maybelline takes ten years off. “Not being a morning person” is what I call a C~~~ Button. And it’s a collection of these arbitrary C~~~ Buttons that make up every woman’s personality. For example, some women “really care about the environment”. That’s a C~~~ Button. If you hit it, said girl will act like a total bitch because you left the faucet running for thirty seconds while you brushed your f~~~ing teeth. Big deal. If saving Mother Earth is so important, why don’t you turn your car off at stop lights?

Because women are never c~~~s to themselves.

It’s a damn near certainty almost 100% of divorces are initiated by women – either directly or indirectly.
Men don’t marry with plans to initiate a divorce because they know what it will cost them.

Women don’t need initiate divorce directly. They can just make themselves unbearable to live with:

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