They use to call me Helicopter.

[MrHelicopterParticipant 69]

I have been lurking for way too long and I have already made posts and reply’s without an introduction to the Prince and kindred of this fine domain.

Thus far I am addicted to the website, and I love what I’m reading. However, I swallowed the purple pill after reading the ‘Game’ back in 2010. I do not identity as a PUA nor do I believe in much of Neil Strauss’s philosophy.

I left a construction job here on the island in 2009, and went to a media arts college in Vancouver BC to become a rockstar CG artist. Fast forward quite a bit, to a time where I moved out of student housing and into a friends place. Not only did he live in the house with his girl, but with 3 other guys and 3 other girls.

Another open relationship couple. I will call the friend, John, and his girl Jane.
Her(Jane) and I got along really well, and we’re pretty good friends and all, but towards the end I could tell that things were getting shaky because she started seeing another dude who didn’t go to our school,let’s call this guy Jerry, and had another guy friend who did go to our school, call him Tom.
And her bf(John) for some reason didn’t approve, even though they were in a supposed open relationship.

So Jane kept bringing these guys around, and of course there was nothing John could do about it. Now of course, I have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes with John and Jane, I don’t know what kind of arrangements have been made, or what hasn’t been made.

One day I’m in the library at school and she’s working at the front desk, and she talks to me in private right there. She begins to tear up and ask me something along the lines of;
“Can you talk to John for me” and “I don’t want to hurt him”.
I remember some stuff about her knowing that their relations are changing and she wants no one to be hurt, and wants everyone to be friends. You know girl s~~~. Even though I had been crushing hard on her since I moved in I was her sob shoulder.

John was my friend, but I never spoke to him in the way she wanted, men don’t talk to each other like that.

Fast forward some more time.
Now we all had to move out of this house and find new places to live. I was out of options at this point so I asked Jane if I could move in with her and another interest of hers, Tom(not f~~~ing… YET). At this point she had been riding the c~~~ carousel of two dudes, John and Jerry

I don’t want to confuse you guys too much with names, just know that the carousel is being ridden and in her mind she’s in a open relationship.

So I say “hey, Jane I need a place to live”.
She gleefully replies that she would love to have me.
Don’t get me wrong we all got along really well with each other but she moved in with one guy only to lead Jerry on who she was seeing on the side. Surprise, surprise, there came a lot of crying the day Tom told her to choose, ” Jane, it’s either him or me!”

Tom ended up winning her over probably had something to do with his being in the same program as her, he was significantly older than she, and I had a sneaking suspicion that his family was financially backing him for a period of time from his country of origin, Germany.

I will spare you the finer details.

At this point still living with Jane and Tom.
After I graduated I needed to make some coin bad. As a joke I applied to an online add. They requested a nightclub doorman, $20 an hour, 12am to 7am. What do you know, I got the job. I worked here for the next 3 years, every weekend sometimes more, plus special event nights.

This place was nothing but Asian bangers, Chinese and Vietnamese e-tards and party animals, five person brawls, the oh so common overdose which were called K holes and G holes, and vomit, OH MY GOD THE VOMIT, and the rare stabbing.

This is the place where I witnessed the worst of female behavior.
The thing about drunk/high women is that they hate you when you’re telling them to put their cigarette out or when you tell them they have to pay the cover, show ID, anything pertaining to following the rules. Worst thing is their man will enable them.

Yet when some t~~~ is drunk off her ass and some dufus is walking away with her, t~~~s friend expects buddy and I to act like we’re cops and accost the guy, as if it’s our business.

Oh yeah, also went home with a girl after a shift at the club, she ended up asking me if she could “borrow” some clothes, being the morron I was I said sure take my Uncharted 2 T-shirt and my Dead space zip up hoodie, because I’m sure I’ll see you again.
NOT!

This doesn’t sum up everything but it’s a nice start as far as introductions go for this website.

[globemasterParticipant 443]

Hope jane doesnt ends up with you, are you still with them.

[MrHelicopterParticipant 69]

Hope jane doesnt ends up with you, are you still with them.

LOL no way, this was in 2011. Im doing completely different things now.
They both split and moved to another part of town. I moved in with my cousin who was settled in North Vancouver. The three of us only lived together for about less than a year after I got my club gig.

Before I moved in with them I was crushin’ pretty hard on her, im sure she knew it too. But she was one of those models that would lead you on, would say she was one of the guys(LOL) and has zero female friends. Toward the end when the ship was sinking I actually ASKED her for sex.
Yeah I know. Never ask for it.
Gotta admit though, the question seemed to shake her to the core. Someone that sexually open and free.

Months prior I even professed my love for her in my room and we shared a kiss.

In the end, it was hard living in that place. I thought about her for at least 2 – 3 years after. Even my ex girlfriend has been running through my mind the last couple years. Im sure thats normal though.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Welcome MrHelicopter. If you haven’t already then you definitely will realize in time what a very valuable schooling you’ve had during your time as the doorman, since our very Keymaster himself was schooled in a similar way.

So yeah, like I said welcome to the club, well schooled brother.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[Anonymous 42]

MrHelicopter wrote:

“Can you talk to John for me” and “I don’t want to hurt him”.

I call that two pigs tugging at a piece of meat, I never did a love triangle, a f~~~ triangle yes, but never a love triangle. The dizziest c~~~s I ever knew were like that…

MrHelicopter wrote:

This is the place where I witnessed the worst of female behavior.

I’ve seen allot of s~~~ too, I once lived with male strippers. Talk to Keymaster, he’s seen allot s~~~ too…

Welcome to MGTOW and the awakening…

[Anonymous 42]

MrHelicopter wrote:

Months prior I even professed my love for her in my room and we shared a kiss.

Hey Chopper, I had a friend zone relationship in my mid 20’s, I learned all about female manipulation and narcissism from her, the day she got a boyfriend was the day our relationship ended. I cut my heart out and I was on my way. She went into full swing on the bad boy carousel, abortions and everything! I watched her true colors thrive!
She’s dead to me now, and probably lost all her beauty bouncing around with all the rough riders on the c~~~ carousel. She went to modeling school, I was with her when she graduated, I was her best friend for 2 or three years, then BANG! The carousel lit up and started turning.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Greetings Helicopter,

Nightclub Doormen are definitely working deep within one of the roughest C~~~ territories and must endure the raw aspects of Woman’s Nature. Yes, the pay is decent, and it seem better than working on a scaffold, but you are really not paid enough for the s~~~ tests you must endure and it is blood money. Nevertheless, your reports of what you have observed are valuable and appreciated.

Your observations of non-monogamy are interesting. Polyamory and Swinging are some of the alternatives promoted by “open minded” women and their men who are along for the ride. I explored these type of relations~~~s and initially found them to be intriguing in the 1990’s. My favorite book on the subject was “The Ethical Slut” by Dossie Easton and Catherine A. Liszt.

Most of the popular books on this subject are written by women which is a bad omen and stinks of rotten c~~~. The concept of the “C~~~ Carousel” is my perspective on the situation and I agree with Tower. Also, “Two pigs tugging on a piece of meat” is an accurate description.

However, the best writing on the subject was an essay from a man who was a Sociologist that lived in San Francisco. Alas, I cannot remember his name, I lost his great essay, and I cannot find it on the web. His research proved that throughout history around the world only a third of the population is capable of monogamy. Another third is non-monogamous. And the remainder go their own way. Race, religion, and geography do not effect these results. His essay was logical and contained lots of supporting data to support his claims.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[AttonParticipant]

You learn rather quick welcome to the forum.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Welcome @mrhelicopter. Enjoyed your intro.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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