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    More accurately there is no “MGTOW way” only “the way of individual MGTOW’ers”. If you have to be told how to GYOW you’re not GYOW.

    Not to say there aren’t common values we share (there are, or we simply wouldn’t be here) and that we can’t discuss the attainment of those common values. But it’s a defining attribute of MGTOW’ers that we don’t blindly accept assumptions and arguments without questioning or understanding them. That is, after all the method by which feminism spreads it’s poison.

    The tool that we use to understand the things we value is philosophy.

    Much like the scientific method is a framework for analysing new information in the wider context of the total sum of your knowledge, so too does philosophy act as a framework for analysing your motivations & decisions in the wider context of your life.

    Philosophy is not a prescriptive set of commandments, it isn’t there to tell you what to think, it’s there to teach you how to think for yourself.

    On a more fundamental level philosophy provides a tool for understanding the single most important question in our lives; what is my purpose? It is on this question that all our values, motivations, ambitions, and decisions are derived.

    It is often tarred with the subjectivist brush; the idea that it is about asking questions for which there can be no absolute, objective answers. This is bulls~~~. It’s the same bulls~~~ peddled by those that have an interest in ensuring you don’t question the assumptions on which certain arguments are based. The only group that benefits from having you unquestioningly accept certain ideas are those seeking to control & shape you in their own image. And it is this intellectual laziness that MTGOW is in revolt to.

    To GYOW implies two questions:
    1 – What is my own way?
    2 – Why am I going that way?

    Most MGTOW’ers could probably take a good stab at the first question, there are whole forums and books of theory dedicated to how to live as an independent, masculine, man.
    The second question is very difficult to answer for most beyond a simple “because I want to” or “because it feels good”, both of which are the same basis on which feminism makes its fundamental arguments. Part of what makes MGTOW different is the understanding of why our independence and autonomy are important to us.

    So why is this fundamental question ignored in so much red pill and MGTOW theory? Because it’s hard to answer. It actually isn’t but the mental effort required to understand and explain it is hard work, anyone that’s ever argued with a child and had them ask “why?” after every answer knows how quickly they hit that mental wall. This is the same kind of mental evasion which Rollo Tomassi refers to as a ‘buffer’, a denial intended to shield you from a hit to your ego.

    Incidentally this is why a discussion of what alpha means always ends up in a heated debate; some guys center their ego from this concept of alpha which they define as this cloud of heroic traits which they never examine too closely. A critical discussion of what alpha means brings them painfully close to a criticism of them personally as everything they are is ultimately based on this flimsy, undefined premise.

    The truth is that being alpha is a mind-set; it is the tenacity with which you seek, and the extent to which you compromise the integrity of, your values. But that’s a topic of a different post.

    The best formulation I’ve been able to find around why we have certain motivations and hold specific values is borrowed from Ayn Rands Objectivism: life as a standard of value.

    What this means is that everything you value, and consequently every decision that you make; either helps you to live/thrive/prosper or doesn’t. To hold life as a standard of value is to judge the worthiness of the things that’re important to you by whether they enrich your life and help you to grow and succeed, or whether they prevent you from doing so.

    Everything else follows naturally from this realisation; does shackling yourself to the cheating whore help you to live and thrive or not? Does eating unhealthily and never exercising help you to live and thrive or not?

    Not to say there aren’t evasions you can pull to try persuade yourself that f~~~ing the whore bareback isn’t enriching your life. The discipline that is required is simply one of longevity, yes going BB might feel better now, but how enriched are you going to be in 9 months time?

    You never chose to be born, to be given life, but once you have that life you’re presented with a choice; take control of your life and act, or have life act on you and be taken control of. The choice is yours…

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    ILiveAgain
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    Beautifully put Wulf. I spent many years trying to solve ‘the problem’. As is the way with these things …. I mostly ended up in knots.

    It took several good kickings to realise I either had control of my life … or left it to others.

    I took control … for better or worse and knowing that allows my decision process to take its time.

    People seldom get an instant answer from me these days. However …. when I do make decisions about my life …. they are the best I can make with the info I have.

    I survive or fall by my own sword.

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    RoyDal
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    No one has my best interests closer to their hearts than I do. No one can run my life better than I can. If I turn my destiny over to anyone else, I am not me anymore.

    Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

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    Franky
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    Just:

    1.Don’t get married.

    2.Reject gynocentrism.

    3.Do whatever the f~~~ you want.

     

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    While my personally preference for MGTOW is as a label for men going MGTOW, and the way for each man would be different, there is some who view MGTOW as a brotherhood, and have uniformed views, and agreement on what is bounds and what isn’t.  I believe making it autonomous makes MGTOW stronger as a network.  MGTOW also gets used as a label for a philosophy to, and an ideology, and it gets argued over what is appropriate or not for it.  Some, who want to make MGTOW an ideology would object to other MGTOW/MGHOW being part of a religion, or some other ideology.

    Where you see the commonality with some goals, came out of the MGTOW manifesto from at least a decade ago:

    https://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/mgtow-manifesto/

    I would say things have gone beyond this at this point.  But, there are a number who hold MGTOW as a movement, with some uniformity.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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    I went through this mind-loop just this past weekend @Wulf

    Although, I was not as detailed in my posts as yours, the overall premise was similar to mine.

    More accurately there is no “MGTOW way” only “the way of individual MGTOW’ers”. If you have to be told how to GYOW you’re not GYOW.

    Many of us that are/were enslaved, ask how to get to a point in their life, so they can go their own way. A person can’t go beyond what they are taught, without some pointers, guidance, etc.

    Or more pointedly, a student needs a teacher to learn, or they are left to their own devices, and we usually all crashed & burned, and ante’d up for the divorce/etc that followed the marriage.

    I am thankful for those men here enlightening us to said pitfalls, traps & dangers. So glad we have some signposts for those that wish a heads up as it were.

    1 – What is my own way?
    2 – Why am I going that way?

    1. my way is stealth as much as possible
    2. Because I choose to, and because I finally can

    People seldom get an instant answer from me these days. However …. when I do make decisions about my life …. they are the best I can make with the info I have.

    I survive or fall by my own sword.

    This. I am the captain of my soul. Nobody else.

    Why? So I can have:

    MGTOW = SELF CONFIDENCE

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