The youngest MGTOW

[Ed GeinParticipant 29]

Everywhere I read, I see the same phrase. “I wish I had known what I know now when I was younger.” This is something that I will never (Thank God) have to say. Yes, it’s true. I lied at registration, and I am not 18 or above. I am a 14 year old MGTOW and as far as my knowledge goes, I am the youngest thus far. Now that I have this off of my back, let’s get on with my story.

Even a year ago, I would have never expected to become a MGTOW. I had been so badly brainwashed by those around me that up into the 7th grade, it hadn’t even crossed my mind that I didn’t have to get married or have kids. At some points I even considered suicide because I was extremely unnatractive in my elementary years, which led me to believe I would die alone, a disappointment to my family.

While I had always had a minor bias against women, I simply accepted the label “Sexist.” I never thought that I would ever be accepted for acknowledging the dominance of men, causing me to embrace the label and become more and more dedicated to refuting feminist bulls~~~ and male “It’s harder to be a woman” bulls~~~. Along with this grew my love for knowledge which allowed me to fully understand MGTOW instead of passing it off as “Virgin Forums” as my family explained.

Around half way through the 9th grade is when I even considered myself a misogynist, because I was studying psychology in my free time as well as evaluating women values. I grew more and more disgusted as I realized the distinct lack of loyalty in even the women I considered acquaintances. (I do not believe in friendships with women) Before I had passed it off with myself not being good enough and me having to work harder for their approval, but then when I did this, others showed interest as well and I was able to turn away these women that only showed interest in me now that I was way out of their league. To this day, I haven’t been able to find a single woman who genuinely views me as more than a prize to brag about. (And I’m still in school!) Finding MGTOW and reading about how this will never go away and how it is everywhere was it for me.

Anyways, I don’t want to give away too much information in a single thread, so I will end this here and visit the relationship section to tell some of the experiences and realizations I gained from them. Eighth Wonder out.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Oh you’re not the only one. Another 14 year old can’t be bothered with a girlfriend or silly stuff like that. To him it’s waste-of-time pointless. (notice the wierd look of shaming from his mom)

Welcome to MGTOW and the Forums, but we have an 18 year requested minimum in place because ..under 18, you still fall under jurisdiction of your parents.

It’s not just a moral issue, because technically you can’t really be a “MGTOW” until you’re a free-thinking free MAN in the eyes of society – who can “go his own way”. You can in spirit of course, but not in actuality. You’re not even permitted to work, vote, drive, drink, smoke, date, have sex, own a credit card, get your own phone, watch certain movies, nor are you legally allowed to make a decision.

Not saying you aren’t TOTALLY adult in your way of thinking but there is a minimum to qualify as a “man”, even.

Points for you honorable word and being open about it. We would ask you to just ease back on the thread generation and approach more like an observer TO START. It is only your first day as a new arrival.

Otherwise thank you for introducing yourself.

Don’t be in TOO much of a hurry to grow up.
It’ll happen before you know it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Ed GeinParticipant 29]

Good point. I’ll consider myself a BGTOW for now and I’ll keep the forum posting low, but I did spend my first day (Before I could post) stalking the hell out of every forum. My dad is a secret MGTOW (According to his iphone’s autofill) so there’s that.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

Wow

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ed Gein wrote:

Good point. I’ll consider myself a BGTOW for now and I’ll keep the forum posting low, but I did spend my first day (Before I could post) stalking the hell out of every forum.

As long as you understand, you’re not “unwelcome” and we’re glad you’re not put off. There was a 15 year old here in the beginning and he was making himself upset be deliberately LOOKING for things to upset him. He was concerning himself too much with “feminism” and things that he just shouldn’t be concerning himself with.

It was very bad for his state of mind, and we had to send him off.

14 is an awkward age and difficult, because part of you wants to play with HotWheels and the other part wants to drive a real car. And where girls and women are concerned, I would recommend more PERSONAL experience and FAIR eva;tuitions from when you get into the field and started actually dating / interacting with them.

Mind you, I was surrounded by girls growing up in a private boarding school where we lived under the same roof together, ate and shared common rooms – like growing up with 300 sisters. By the time I had my first real girlfriend 17, I understood how women operate already… but even at 35, I was still learning.

But 21 is 7 years away for you. That’s HALF YOUR LIFE right now.
As much can change from 14 to 21 as from 7 to 14.

Learn & question things for YOURSELF. It’s important.
Avoid mistakes by listening to others.

Hope you don’t see this as a lecture. It’s not.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Wolf redpillman wrote:

?????not trying to be a stick.in mutt but ain’t that dangerous having underages people here???

No. This is not an adult site, and under 18s are all over those. The worst thing to encounter here is harsh typed language.

It just not appropriate for under 18s because MGTOW has the word “MAN” in it. You have to be that – as a minimum – but I’m not going tell him he’s not a man…… just that THE WORLD doesn’t see him as one yet. There’s a difference.

I’m hoping he’ll do the classy thing and step back.
I don’t want to kick him out.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

Ok i actually deleted my comment because i read yours.and you explaining it very well

[Ed GeinParticipant 29]

I kinda skipped that part. I went from playing with hotwheels to building my computer at 8 (Easy for everyone except 8 year olds) I do understand the point you’re getting across, but I personally would consider myself or my generation as a whole to be adultlike than yours. As for the avoiding mistakes by listening to others, that’s why research everything and evaluate it in personal experience before forming an opinions.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ed Gein wrote:

but I personally would consider myself or my generation as a whole to be adultlike than yours.

Well, you’re definitely a few years ahead of where I was at 14. At that time, I was programming a space invaders game on a Commodore 64. Go ahead, laugh your head off.

At the time, I thought I knew more than my parents too – because they couldn’t program space invaders or do my level of math, but they understood the quote you opened with “if I only knew then what I know now”.

You’ll be saying that at 18 about who you are today.
And you’ll be saying it at 25, about who you were at 18.

It’s a goddam guarantee.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

Well.english.not.my first languages dude but.if harsh type.languages is.thats worses thing to encounter here feel free to deleted my account

[CaliParticipant 753]

Well put, KM.

Eighth Wonder, as someone who almost joined the site before his eighteenth birthday, I would encourage you to wait. At the very least, perhaps you could request that Keymaster make an exception for you or remove the 18 and up age restriction.

However, one thing that should be learned early in life is that a man’s honor is absolutely vital. When you come back in around four years and say “I joined a few years back, but was encouraged to step back. Now I am eighteen and I am ready to be an active member”, the men here will respect you a lot. We respect you even now for coming clean about your age, and I personally hope that Keymaster does allow some younger men on the site (the age of manhood has been 13-14 in most cultures for a long while before the modern West increased it).

That being said, this IS Keymaster’s site. Should he let you stay around, I’ll be glad, but be prepared to be politely told to come back when you’re eighteen, as that is the preset requirement.

Either way, best wishes to you.

Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Keymaster wrote:

Well, you’re definitely a few years ahead of where I was at 14.

Keymaster, you said it right there and I definitely second that. Very well handled indeed.

Welcome Eighth Wonder. Feel free to browse in here and take in as much info as you like and as you can take and by all means do keep up your stance that you already have to make up your own mind about everything at any time.

This will be vital for you and the best you can do for yourself as well as for your development growing up from a BGTOW to a MGTOW whilst taking your own time (all of which you have) and pace with that.

All the best, young man.

Ned T.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Don’t knock the C64 with the wait for it…audio tape drive. Those were the days.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Welcome EW.

BGTOW …. interesting idea … very interesting.

If only there were a website for boys to get together and talk about their issues.

Help each other out and learn about the system.

Interesting idea don’t you think EW?

If only there was some young guy who was good with IT and had the encouragement and backing of wiser men.

Boys Going Their Own Way ….

Now that would get a few heads turning.

If only there were someone out there ?

[BlacqueJacqueShellacqueParticipant 6890]

Welcome Eighth Wonder. Take heed to this nugget of truth :

Keymaster wrote:

You’ll be saying that at 18 about who you are today.
And you’ll be saying it at 25, about who you were at 18.

It’s a goddam guarantee.

This is so very true KeyMaster. Eighth Wonder, life can turn on a dime. All you can do is prepare to adapt, or fail.

ILiveAgain wrote:

If only there was some young guy who was good with IT and had the encouragement and backing of wiser men.

Boys Going Their Own Way ….

Now that would get a few heads turning.

If only there were someone out there ?

And what are you trying to do? Incite planetary riots? 😉 Welcome again Eighth Wonder.

[SlingshotParticipant 171]

Welcome EW. You are wise beyond your years!

Your post is very well presented and I think from my own point of view you would make valueable contributions. You would be listened to and get feedback on your thoughts and opinions.

However, the men on this site have the right to go their own way and in a lot of cases if not all could finance that. You are not in that position unfortunately and by the world in general (Western World) are not considered capable yet.

My concern with regards your participation is that there is a sect of ‘Feminazis’ out there looking for a way to silence the voices on this site. If KM allows your participation he and this site could be in for a rough ride. Maybe selfishly, I don’t want that to happen.

There is a lot to take in and at 50 I feel like a total begginer. I have made a lot of mistakes and this site would have prepared me for many of them.

I have subscribed to your profile and look forward to your valuable contributions (in the future)!

[Honorable_Juice_BoxParticipant 591]

Welcome young sir!

[Anonymous 42]

Ed Gein wrote:

Along with this grew my love for knowledge which allowed me to fully understand MGTOW instead of passing it off as “Virgin Forums” as my family explained.

The force is strong in this one! Eighth Wonder, you’re seeing the culmination of 50+ years of radical feminism, like having atomic meltdowns one after another for decades the world over, it’s a religion, ideology, and cult, with gestapo tactics that have contaminated each and every person, man woman and child! It ‘s a toxic way of thinking and living, it’s outcome has placed this society in peril. The vast majority of women are contaminated severely and don’t even know it! The effects of 50+ years has taken it’s toll on this society and it’s time to pay the grim reaper.
We’re no longer a nation of prosperity due to the restructuring of the family by feminism! It’s a family that doesn’t even recognize the man, he’s not even there, he’s out busting his ass paying child support for kids he’s been ordered to stay away from! Ordered to pay for the house he was thrown out of! Imprisoned if he can’t make the payments!

The tables are so slanted against men by women, law, the courts, and the restructuring of family by feminism, you’d be a GOD DAMNED FOOL NOT TO WALK AWAY!

Bro, you’re one of the lucky ones that made it to a MGTOW radiation shelter! I’ve been living in mine for 19 years, the radioactive fallout from the 50 year long gender war is 3 feet thick! The precipitation of radio nucleides is more than ever!

WELCOME TO THE BUNKER! MGTOW CONCRETE, 100 meters thick!

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Hello, OP!

Fourteen is an awful age, absolutely dreadful. You’re starting to think for yourself, yet you still live under the thumb of parents and teachers; you’re being blasted with hormones, yet you don’t know what to do with them; you begin to get inklings of how important individuality is, yet society tells you that fitting in is more important . . . awful, just dreadful. I wouldn’t want to be fourteen again for anything.

But pretty soon, sooner than you know, you’ll be on your own. And it gets better, incrementally, and not noticeable unless you look back. I look back and think, yes, my life is a whole lot better now than when I was fourteen.

The best thing I can do is to tell you what I wish I knew when I was fourteen. Use this advice in full, in part, or none at all, as you please:

1: Hobbies strengthen a man: find something creative that interests you, and pursue it. Even if you think it’s stupid, do it, and do it with the best in you. When I was your age, I wanted to be writer, so I wrote fan fiction for Halo.

2: Under no circumstances be a “gentleman”: Especially not with women. When I was your age (wow, it’s strange for me to say that), I tried to be kind and courteous, operating under the naive teaching that the goodness you give is the goodness you get. Not true. Be a gentleman, and you’ll very soon find out that people, especially women, recognize it, exploit it for their own gain, and then give you nothing in return, leaving you feeling used.

3:Give your attention only to those who return it; give your feelings only to those who reciprocate them You’re no one’s lackey or orbiter. Someone whom you care for and who cares for you is someone to be treasured; someone who doesn’t is insignificant and is not even worth your THOUGHT. Do not throw away your valuable attention on women who will just use it to bolster their own egos.

4: Girls are just as awful, if not more so, than boys. This is a bit harder to explain, but you’ll realize this in due course (even faster if you browse this website). Women’s awfulness is more insidious, because you’ve been socialized to turn a blind eye to it, and it’s not always immediately apparent.

And lastly, and above all:

5: Don’t give a s~~~ what other people think: An approval seeking mentality is a sure death for a man, death for his ego, his self-esteem, and his pride. This is in the same vein as point 3: it’s bad enough to seek the approval of anyone; it’s worse to seek the approval of someone who think’s you’re scum, worse for your well-being.

Ed Gein wrote:

(I do not believe in friendships with women)

It’s very important for you to realize THIS IS A HEALTHY ATTITUDE.

Women, for men, are not the sex to regard as your “pals”: they are completely different from men, they have different faculties, a different modus operandi, etc. If you look to form a relationship with a woman that reflects the best of the world (the basis on which you ought to form all your relationships), if you found her, she’d regard you, properly, as a man, as you’d regard her, properly, as a woman; such a relationship is sustainable only if it has a sexual component. A woman who doesn’t regard a man as a man regards him as a toy to be trifled with (observe that many women regard men like this).

A friendship with a woman is simply not possible, not in the same way you’d be friends with a man. A woman is “friends” with a man only to bolster her own ego, and a man is “friends” with a woman only to try to get into her pants. For both the man and the woman in this case, the regard for the other on either side is absolutely toxic.

Far from looking down on women, this attitude, not having friendships with a man shows a HUGE RESPECT for them.

Keymaster wrote:

Avoid mistakes by listening to others.

With a caveat: listen to people, but approach everyone’s advice with extreme skepticism, especially my advice (above all, my advice). You can entertain thoughts without accepting them. Aristotle said that the ability to do so was the mark of an educated mind.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Now I feel guilty about taking a dump with all of my “Red Pill Rage” and disparaging language used in some of my posts. Some of my posts were almost X Rated. In my defense, I was so thrilled to find other men who understood what was happening that I never considered that my desperate tales of woe may scar fragile young minds. Oops!

That being said, your writing is too excellent for a fourteen year old male, Eight Wonder. In fact, your writing is better than most PhD’s that I have been working with. It is not just your use of big words. The size of your paragraphs, the pacing, the clarity of your ideas, and other subtle presentations of your writing is just too insightful.

This web site has been under constant attack since I joined. Women are always trying to sign up, pretending to be adult men, and then doing evil. The malignant Hive seeks to destroy MGTOW.

And every time this web site is frozen or shut down, I feel a deep sense of loss.

There is a tradition called “C~~~s Punted” where MGTOW members will expose female spies and commandos. At first, I thought it seemed like a Witch Hunt and that some of my fellow MGTOW’s went too far. But after the heart ache of seeing this web site shut down multiple times and facing the end of MGTOW community on line, I now see this tradition as necessary.

Nevertheless, I do believe that it is possible that teenagers can be brilliant, especially if they are “unschooled.” John Holt has done some fine work on this subject:

http://www.johnholtgws.com/

Also, contemporary manifestations of Rudolf Steiner’s influences like Waldorf Education has produced brilliant teenagers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_education

Finally, MGTOW is a place for Men Going Their Own Way. It is not one of those college “Safe Zones” that the Feminists have created for themselves.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

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