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In my opinion, four decades of the War on Drugs hasn’t improved our American society. It doesn’t make sense to incarcerate people who don’t give a damn about their own health. As long as Americans buy illegal drugs, this “war” will never end. The trail of violence between Columbia and the Mexican border will never end because greedy people will do ANYTHING for money. My solution to this social ill is simple: decriminalize all black market drug purchases and let the process of natural selection occur. That means: those that don’t care about their health will reap what they sow. And those of us who want to live our lives in a sensible way will prosper without the extra tax burden of incarcerating ($30,000 a year!) those who don’t care about their well-being or the safety of their communities. Instead of spending $100,000,000 to arrest and detain dealers and buyers of street drugs, I’d build health clinics and offer to help people end their addiction. If I can prevent people from buying the drugs in the first place, I won’t have to worry about using the DEA to hunt violent drug dealers. Also: if people aren’t going to be arrested for possession of street drugs, the competition for making & selling these drugs will increase to the point where the violent drug cartels will eventually lose their power and profits.
This is how I feel about those who decide to use street drugs: if you want to lose your job, your house, your car, or get kicked out of school and ruin your chances of getting a job with a good salary, you go ahead and do that! Meanwhile, I will gain everything you lost. I’ll be glad to take your place if you don’t appreciate the blessings you have. I don’t need to arrest you. All I have to do is let you experience the consequences of being foolish. That’s your punishment. If you’re willing to lose everything you’ve worked for to get high, then go ahead. I don’t want to pay taxes so the government can babysit you. It’s your life and you have the right to destroy it.
"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)
Follow the money.
Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.
@bigd,
Follow the money is right. The war on drugs is employing countless thousands directly, countless others are making a good living at it, and more than a few are getting wealthy. And those are only the honest ones, the ones who are not criminals.The country got along fine from early colonial times up to the 1930s with no serious anti-narcotic laws. How come it’s so necessary now days? The answer is that it is a taxpayer funded jobs program disguised as something “for our own good.”
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Follow the money.
… like all the other vast hordes of crazy indoctrinated lemmings do.
– Ever given a thought that through media indoctrination money itself (as well as love) has been turned into a drug –
And to this day because of all this in the shadow of the “ordinary economy” the organized crime of the dark economy secretly reigns supreme. By now ironically enough the only way to fairly successfully fight the war on drugs is to progressively legalize the use of more of all the various drugs and thus making it more difficult for the internationally organized and interconnected mafia clans of the world to develop their businesses yet further and with that ultimately could gain absolute global power over politics in each and every state and continent.
Just my two cents.
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.
it is a massive win for chemistry hacks and corrupt cops… a matter of perspective I suspect
I’ve been trying to decide on the issue for many years now, considering both the moral and human tragedy aspects of this as well as the economical and societal impact. Truth is, there is no good outcome when it comes to drugs. It’s just choosing the lesser of two evils.
You could say I’m still on the fence, but I’m leaning more and more to full legalization of all drugs. The people who want to use drugs but want to do so legally already found ways to do it by faking mental illness or chronic pain or what have you.
Just legalize all that crap, so that companies can produce good quality drugs at cheaper prices, and like it’s been said, divert all the policing money to healthcare and prevention campaigns.
And let natural selection do its job.The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!
This is how I feel about those who decide to use street drugs: if you want to lose your job, your house, your car, or get kicked out of school and ruin your chances of getting a job with a good salary, you go ahead and do that! Meanwhile, I will gain everything you lost. I’ll be glad to take your place if you don’t appreciate the blessings you have. I don’t need to arrest you. All I have to do is let you experience the consequences of being foolish. That’s your punishment. If you’re willing to lose everything you’ve worked for to get high, then go ahead. I don’t want to pay taxes so the government can babysit you. It’s your life and you have the right to destroy it.
This might sound heartless but it’s correct. I’m tired of governments trying to “save people from themselves”.
The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!
Anonymous42War on drugs??? It’s a war on citizens, constitutional rights, and a grab for more power and control! It’s conditioning the people to not only accept intrusions on their personal liberties, but to WELCOME these intruders with open arms!
Why the f~~~ is heroin cheaper than huffing paint??? Who made connections in Afghanistan to import in such massive quantities??? Theirs too much corruption below the surface to deny some powerful people are involved!It doesn’t matter anyway, Russia’s going to own Europe and Africa with Iran’s help, the Chinese are going to own the Philippines, Japan, the Pacific, and half of Canada, the Mexicans are already invading from the south!
I figure Fort Knox will be the focal point for the new borders between Mexico, Russia, and China… F~~~ it!Step 1: Create issue
Step 2: Create solution to issue that causes more issues
Step 3: Create solutions to said issues which create more issues
Step 4: RepeatAnd that is how you control whole societies for years.
Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.
War on drugs??? It’s a war on citizens, constitutional rights, and a grab for more power and control!
I agree. Why confiscate someone’s car and house because they have possession of street drugs? There’s something wrong with that and innocent family members get punished because of these government seizures. I’d rather use government resources to find missing children than to spend time and resources directing law enforcement officials to search people’s cars & bodies for illegal drugs. It seems like the police are gung ho on arresting people for their vices instead of arresting violent criminals that are more of a threat to our society.
"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)
progressively legalize the use of more of all the various drugs and thus making it more difficult for the internationally organized and interconnected mafia clans of the world to develop their businesses
Good point. If I was a drug dealer, it wouldn’t make any sense for me to go to Colorado to sell marijuana ’cause all that competition will make my product less valuable. I’d sell my product where it’s illegal and there’s the least amount of competition so I can get the maximum return on my investment (God damn, I’m starting to sound like Walter White!).
"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)
If I was a drug dealer, it wouldn’t make any sense for me to go to Colorado to sell marijuana ’cause all that competition will make my product less valuable. I’d sell my product where it’s illegal and there’s the least amount of competition so I can get the maximum return on my investment
Illegal dealers still make a killing on Marijuana in Colorado. They just price their weed slightly lower than the dispensaries. I saw an interview with an anonymous dealer saying he’s never had better business.
The war on drugs since the 1970’s has cost the US 1.5 Trillion Dollars and Marijuana use as a percentage remains constant. http://www.thewire.com/national/2012/10/chart-says-war-drugs-isnt-working/57913/ Former DEA chiefs are making a killing on private jails full of Marijuana users or rehab centers. Some of those rehab centers were abusive to boot. Pharmaceutical companies don’t want to compete against something a person could grow in their garden for pennies when they could sell you a bottle of aspirin for $15.00.
As an aside I had a friend that sold weed for extra cash. He no longer does because his wife divorced him and demanded half of his earning from the selling of weed. She threatened to go to the cops if this demand wasn’t met. He quit instead of complied.
Ever since the end of WW2 and the beginning of the Cold War, America has NEVER won a War it has declared, foreign or domestic. The really sad thing is, the USA has been at War for all but around 20 years of its entire history. We really are the War Monger nation.
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Anonymous12Just like the war in the Middle East it could be won and over in a matter of months but where would the profit be in that?
FunInTheSun: I largely agree with you. However, the War on Drugs has been going on for FAR longer than 4 decades — it just wasn’t called that. Arguably, the big boost was Prohibition in the 1920’s (brought to you by the Women’s Christian Temperance Union, WCTU). This, of course, caused a huge increase in organized crime and related violence in America. http://polyticks.com/polyticks/beararms/liars/usa.htm is a nice plot of the homicide rate over the last 100 years — note the prohibition interval explicitly called out. The modern ‘War on Drugs’ isn’t explicitly called out, but I would agree it spans ~40 years. As for incarcerating people that ‘don’t give a damn about their health’, there IS such a thing as a casual drug user. Now, I personally don’t drink, smoke, or do other drugs. But I know a very productive pot-smoking lawyer. And plenty of other pot smokers. It’s not good for their health, any more than eating too much is good for their health, but it’s a stretch to say all drug users don’t give a damn about their health.
I would go one step further, allow self-prescription of ANY drug. I should be able to walk into a pharmacy, purchase heroin, methamphetamines, pot, crack cocaine, opiates, or anything else I please, including any prescription medications. It’s called FREEDOM.
A lot of people are high-functioning alcoholics. I have one working for me. ‘Catching’ him drinking and firing him isn’t going to do anyone any good — he’ll fix it WHEN and IF HE wants to, regardless of other factors, including prison and loss of job. I find these multi-panel drug tests ridiculous.
And yes, the War on Drugs is a War on Freedom. It’s just one more way government erodes our individual liberties. How can one have a drug ‘czar’ in a free country?
As for legalization, in my state, I’m voting AGAINST it, because it’s a kleptocratic scheme where certain companies are awarded the contract to sell, instead of a free market. I don’t like schemes where government picks winners and losers.
Roydal: Follow the money is right. I call it the ‘Prison Industrial Complex’ — another American growth industry with prisons full of victimless criminals who violated drug laws. Kinda like the ‘Family Law Industry’, haha. Too bad the ‘industries’ with ‘factories’ like where I work, aren’t growing. And not only do we PAY to imprison these people, we LOSE the economic output they would have produced if they were outside, working.
It should also be noted, most of the drug laws have had racist components. Narcotics laws targeted minorities; heavier penalties for crack cocaine vs powder targeted blacks, are classic examples. So therein, lies the origin of many of these victimless crime laws.
FunInTheSun: I largely agree with you. However, the War on Drugs has been going on for FAR longer than 4 decades — it just wasn’t called that. Arguably, the big boost was Prohibition in the 1920’s (brought to you by the Women’s Christian Temperance Union, WCTU). This, of course, caused a huge increase in organized crime and related violence in America. polyticks.com/polyticks/beararms/liars/usa.htm is a nice plot of the homicide rate over the last 100 years — note the prohibition interval explicitly called out. The modern ‘War on Drugs’ isn’t explicitly called out, but I would agree it spans ~40 years. As for incarcerating people that ‘don’t give a damn about their health’, there IS such a thing as a casual drug user. Now, I personally don’t drink, smoke, or do other drugs. But I know a very productive pot-smoking lawyer. And plenty of other pot smokers. It’s not good for their health, any more than eating too much is good for their health, but it’s a stretch to say all drug users don’t give a damn about their health.
I would go one step further, allow self-prescription of ANY drug. I should be able to walk into a pharmacy, purchase heroin, methamphetamines, pot, crack cocaine, opiates, or anything else I please, including any prescription medications. It’s called FREEDOM.
A lot of people are high-functioning alcoholics. I have one working for me. ‘Catching’ him drinking and firing him isn’t going to do anyone any good — he’ll fix it WHEN and IF HE wants to, regardless of other factors, including prison and loss of job. I find these multi-panel drug tests ridiculous.
And yes, the War on Drugs is a War on Freedom. It’s just one more way government erodes our individual liberties. How can one have a drug ‘czar’ in a free country?
As for legalization, in my state, I’m voting AGAINST it, because it’s a kleptocratic scheme where certain companies are awarded the contract to sell, instead of a free market. I don’t like schemes where government picks winners and losers.
Roydal: Follow the money is right. I call it the ‘Prison Industrial Complex’ — another American growth industry with prisons full of victimless criminals who violated drug laws. Kinda like the ‘Family Law Industry’, haha. Too bad the ‘industries’ with ‘factories’ like where I work, aren’t growing. And not only do we PAY to imprison these people, we LOSE the economic output they would have produced if they were outside, working.
It should also be noted, most of the drug laws have had racist components. Narcotics laws targeted minorities; heavier penalties for crack cocaine vs powder targeted blacks, are classic examples. So therein, lies the origin of many of these victimless crime laws.
Morlock: But how do you ‘win’ the war on drugs in a ‘matter of months’? The ‘drugs’ that kill the most people, are alcohol and tobacco. We tried banning the former from 1920-1933. Alcohol is so imbued in American culture, the drinking went on — we love to drink, primarily beer and wine. I suppose the penalties could be greatly increased — we could execute those found in possession, or operate large gulags like North Korea, but is that what we should do in a free country?
I also dislike the excessive taxes on alcohol and cigarettes, even though I’m not paying them since I don’t consume either. The money doesn’t even go towards addiction treatment.
Government declaring ‘War’ on something is similar to ‘do it for the Children’. It’s designed to cause patriotic or other unquestioning groupthink acceptance. ‘What, you don’t care about the Children?’ or ‘Aren’t you a patriot?’. Look at the ‘Patriot’ Act.
Some individuals become addicted to alcohol easily; others can drink it casually through an entire lifetime. Educating children about the harms IRRESPONSIBLE drug use can cause is, in my opinion, more effective than mantras like ‘Just say no’ or ‘D.A.R.E.’
Anonymous12Morlock: But how do you ‘win’ the war on drugs in a ‘matter of months’? The ‘drugs’ that kill the most people, are alcohol and tobacco. We tried banning the former from 1920-1933. Alcohol is so imbued in American culture, the drinking went on — we love to drink, primarily beer and wine. I suppose the penalties could be greatly increased — we could execute those found in possession, or operate large gulags like North Korea, but is that what we should do in a free country?
I also dislike the excessive taxes on alcohol and cigarettes, even though I’m not paying them since I don’t consume either. The money doesn’t even go towards addiction treatment.
Government declaring ‘War’ on something is similar to ‘do it for the Children’. It’s designed to cause patriotic or other unquestioning groupthink acceptance. ‘What, you don’t care about the Children?’ or ‘Aren’t you a patriot?’. Look at the ‘Patriot’ Act.
Some individuals become addicted to alcohol easily; others can drink it casually through an entire lifetime. Educating children about the harms IRRESPONSIBLE drug use can cause is, in my opinion, more effective than mantras like ‘Just say no’ or ‘D.A.R.E.’I’m not that hardcore when I think about drugs, I think of the hard stuff that does create a lot of problems, we have a huge Ice problem in Australia at the moment and although I understand alcohol and cigarettes also kill people it is on a different level entirely.
That was the problem with prohibition in the USA they picked a social drug, no doubt they also fought against it in a rather poor fashion as if they didn’t really want to win it.
I’m all for capital punishment actually not a problem there. I work with a Pakistani guy who was telling me they had a huge drug problem over there at one point and then one day they woke up and all the drug gangs and users were just gone. Like I said if you want to fix it you can, you just need to be brutal.
Here is why I hate hard drugs, it causes people to behave in a dangerous manner, makes them dependent and they start to commit crimes against innocent people.
I am all about those innocent people who are hurt by drug users, I couldn’t give a flying f~~~ about the users and pushers themselves.
She threatened to go to the cops if this demand wasn’t met.
Hold on. You’re telling me she’d rat him out for an illegal activity she BENEFITED FROM for years? But as long as she can continue to spend this illegal cash, she doesn’t have a problem–even though she could go to prison if she’s caught. My head is about to explode because I’m trying to use my rational mind to interpret this.
"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)
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