The Value of a Housewife / Girlfriend

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I live alone and have been doing so since I was 20. I spend six to ten hours a day working on my own business and my free time goes to playing at my hobbies and visiting with friends and petting my cat. On top of all that… on TOP of all that… I keep my house.

• I cook between 8 and 12 meals a week which take from 30 to 60 minutes each.
• I clean the kitchen and do the dishes after every meal and several times in-between as necessary.
• I do two to three loads of laundry per week… wash, fold and put away.
• I take out the garbage when the can is full (every three days or so).
• I shop for groceries once a week plus shopping for fresh meats and produce on nights that I’m cooking.
• I clean out the refrigerator and cabinets once every few weeks to keep things fresh.
• I purchase bottled water and haul it back to the house for storage.
• I vacuum, dust and straighten furniture as required, maybe once a week (cat hair adds up).
• I retrieve the mail daily and packages as they arrive.
• I open, process and pay bills for the household.
• I drop off, pick up and put away the dry cleaning (dress shirts, silk shirts and sweaters, mostly) once every two weeks.
• I water the plants twice a week.
• I feed and water the cat twice a day.
• I scoop the cat litter once every two days and clean the box entirely once every two weeks.
• I clean the patio furniture once per month.
• I sweep out and arrange my storage space (garage) once per month.
• I fuel up and wash the car once a week.

On top of this, I pay a girl $50 once a month to come in and clean the stove top, the bathrooms and the shower, plus vacuum and dust the places I may have missed. This is my total housekeeping routine. In my mind, all of this housekeeping work takes up a tiny fraction of my time on a daily basis… and not only do I not see any of this work as being burdensome or difficult in any way, but doing it gives me exercise and a sense of pride of ownership of my home and belongings, not to mention social interaction when I’m out and healthy delicious food and drinks when I’m preparing my own meals. The only part of the entire thing that’s even remotely difficult is putting the duvet back in its cover and that’s only once every month and takes about ten minutes.

So my question is this… why why WHY in the world would I ever invite a female into my home with the expectation that I would be financially better off if I had someone to do these things for me? Let’s say I got married and expected the female to be a housewife. I do all the work and pay all the bills and, in exchange, she does all the above housework. I’m not counting sex because that’s good for both of us (often better for her than for me) so she gets no more credit for sex than she would for sitting next to me while we watched a movie.

My job is to work 30 to 60 hours a week (depending on my work load) and pay for everything and, in exchange, she does maybe three hours of cooking and light house work per day. And to keep her here, I need more space, a second car, additional insurance, more food and more consumables (females tear through toilet paper at a furious rate).

How do females figure that keeping house is worth $50k a year? 25 hours of housework a week (she’s gotta clean up her own mess too, to be fair) by $25 an hour is still only $32k… her half of the rent, bills, food, insurance and a car payment is worth almost that. Throw in some minor expenses and maybe a birthday gift once a year and I’m net negative… plus having to share my space and my time and attention on a female which would diminish my ability to do my work, enjoy my hobbies and see my friends.

In other words… I don’t see how having a housewife could possibly be worth it. Now, if she can pull down $150k a year and she pays for her own car, food, expenses and insurance and we go in halvsies on a house twice the size and can split expenses on entertainment and travel, then maybe I could see it. But how many of us are in that kind of a relationship? Oh, I imagine that’s what they promised… “we’ll save money and with a dual income, we can live twice as well” but then she got fat and lazy and “lost” her job… how many of us are living THAT reality? And then kids…

Honestly, why do men DO these things? The girl I pay to clean my house lives with a man who is paying all her bills and she doesn’t do s~~~ at their place… and she brought three big dogs along with her. The more I think about it, the more boggled I get… I just can’t get my head around what men are thinking when they make these kinds of s~~~ deals. Are they really just paying for the pussy? Don’t they realize you can get even that for a few hundred bucks a pop without any of the bulls~~~? Seriously. Someone help me understand this because I’m not getting it.

[…Spectator 1165]

Brother Doc: good to see you man. My take on your question: the reason men do stupid is s~~~ is because they aren’t thinking and society holds the s~~~ deal like the one the housekeeper’s boyfriend has as the IDEAL situation for a man. What a bunch of f~~~ing bulls~~~. When you’ve got all these feminist groups, churches, mainstream media, etc, all presenting to the world a certain way of doing s~~~ the tendency for anyone is go with the flow to fit in. You and I both have very similar lifestyles and see interaction with women for what they should be viewed as: straight up business deals. I hope guys reading your post will understand what you did which is a cost vs. benefit analysis of housewife vs expenses. from your very accurate assessment it is clear that housewives make no financial sense to a man whatsoever. You pointed out clearly that it just makes no sense in terms of time and money invested. and if it does EVER make sense, it makes sense for about a week. just like clockwork women spin out of control over time grasping to elevate their positions by inserting new dicks into themselves and seeing what happens. They don’t even really have a strategy. Here’s the most f~~~ed up thing about that story: if she ever gets mad at that guy for something (and she will…some s~~~ like “but 3 dogs aren’t enough, i want 6”) then that guy is f~~~ed over by the system losing half his s~~~ if they’ve been living together long enough. she will pout and cry and make up stories and play the victim.

My best friend who I mention here often started doing this analysis in the early 90’s. got out the legal pads and a bottle of Jack one night and started adding it all up and within about an hour we both looked at our lives and said “f~~~ man my girlfriend costs 40 thousand dollars a year.” Bunch of bull. Not worth it.

[johnconnor777Participant 85]

Doc, I can relate to a lot of things in this post. I am a pretty good housekeeper, I have a cleaning lady that come to my house twice a month to help me out, but that’s about it. I cook (very healthy), I clean, I do the grocery shopping, ironing, take care of my pets, fix things around the house, balance my checkbooks.. and have a very demanding job that usually is 50+ hours a week.

I only met two women on their 20s or 30s that had a house of their own who kept her house as well as me or better, who were also professionals. There were some who lived like pigs: clothes everywhere, everything dirty, eating crappy food (you may get away with it in your 20s but not in your 30s or 40s, unless you want to look like an actual pig)..

My point is that except the ocassional sex, that always decline in quality and quality over time, I don’t see what else the average western woman on the 2010’s bring to the table…. except a huge liability. Sure, I date sometimes and f~~~ them when I can, but to have them living over on my house or to marry them? heck no!

P.S. See my fridge, that’s the way to keep yourself healthy

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Barb did one of my favorite videos on this: Commensurate compensation – which is his first video when you visit his channel.

“Commensurate” meaning if you as an employee or business owner provide a service, should expect to be compensated in a manner which is commensurate with the value of that service…. and then he analyses it breaking down the traditional exchange of sex for resources and how this doesn’t even come close to alleviating the pressures and stress of a man’s 70 hour work week.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I’ve seen that one. I don’t think any rational person would argue against the idea that they should receive fair value for the value they offer someone else.

For me, it’s the whole Security for Sex equation that is at the heart of the problem. The logical fallacy of suggesting that sexual access to her body is the item of value that females bring to the bargaining table is based on the false notion that females do not want nor enjoy sex.

In fact, the opposite is true. Females derive equal or greater value from the act of sex than men do… but they have artificially elevated the perceived scarcity of this desire and enjoyment in order to extract greater value in trade from men in the form of financial resources and security.

Arguing about the value of sex in a male/female relationship is like arguing about the value of conversation. Sex is NOT compensation, commensurate or otherwise, in the context of a relationship and any man who thinks he is getting something of value by trading his resources for sex in any measure is a fool.

Our real objective should be to break the cartel’s control over our perception of the trade value of sex and recognize the truth about the value proposition between men and females… that the value we bring is and always has been attention, shelter, sustenance and protection and that the only value that females bring are the ability to produce offspring and to serve as an indicator of the level of a man’s success.

Feminism and the Women’s Equality movement has weakened the value of the shelter and sustenance that we offer but the value of our attention and protection remain as high as ever. The sad fact for females, however, is that now, since men care less and less about offspring and have other ways to indicate their success, the value of what a female can offer is dropping like a stone.

Note: paying a prostitute is not exchanging money for sex. The sex should be mutually pleasurable. What you are exchanging money for in this case is for her, literally, to go away when the sex is done. You’re paying for 100% protection against responsibility, liability and attempted further resource extraction by the female.

In summary; unless you want a child or have a need to signal your wealth by collecting females and showing other men that you can provide for and protect them, a female is INCAPABLE of compensating you for the value you give to her above and beyond that which is equally exchanged in the course of a relationship such as sex, companionship, conversation, etc.

[…Spectator 1165]

Damn Doc, you hit another home run with this one!

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

johnconnor: you got your fridge on lock, brother! I’ve seen grocery stores that didn’t look as neat as that.

[johnconnor777Participant 85]

thank you doc, “mens sana in corpore sano”…

you know, I always find amazing anytime I go out with a woman on a date, and she start listing all the “musts” that his guy must have:

He has to be responsible but fun, over 6 feet tall, college educaton, nice but “not too much”, good income, have to accept me for who I am [Translation: he has to put up with all my s~~~], will have to respect my independence (translation: will let me go to vegas with other girls to f~~~ other men), supportive (translation: will give me cash), someone who will spoil her (more cash)… anyway, you guys now the list.

I always like to turn the tables and ask her: “okay, I understand, these are all things you want and all the things you want the man to do for you… now let me ask you: What can you do for a man? what do you offer to him?”

They always have like a “deer on the headlights” look, sometimes they say something like, well I am always very passionate and take care of him. Again I ask them, okay, so besides let him have sex with you once in a while, what else do you do for your man?… will you help him on his business, will you cook for him, will you clean, will you help cover expenses, will you help him save money…. sell me why a man should take you.

Then you get the deer look times 10

[sinfreeParticipant 5]

Thank you John oconnor ,

I am laughing so hard right now that “deer in headlights” look is real i got that so many times. Man , How the heck did we get here ? I am extremely new to MGTOW and i have a lot to learn. In my relationship i pay for every thing basically other than utilities which are light and water. I demand that my wife cook and clean because thats how i was raised she complains that it tires her out but now iam going to run my thing the MGTOW way . And provide for myself ive given up too much for nothing in return. I really feel ive wasted time in this relationship. Really i have…

I always knew something was wrong : But you know i was raised like this,  man must provide for his woman and family and i was even told to encourage her to stay home and be the housewife that that is the ideal way. I beleived this all my life. In a way now that i think about it i feel a bit embarassed that i beleived these things. Because when you get a chance to look at them its just some s~~~. And it is used to further the feminization of our society and make men more redundant.

The thing about the western world is our political and social acceptance of Capitalism is great in comparison to many eastrern societies….. The problem is men dont fuel Capitalism because they dont buy anything or have need to buy anything..

Society uses Womens Vain, Catty , Manipulating ,Selfish and Childish , Insecure nature to fuel Capitalism… And in exchange to offer protection under the Law. In marriage and out of Marriage(common Law after 5 years in Jamaica where i am from) So its like society tells us its good that a woman can find a workhorse to provide her with the necessary cash needed to support her Self centered lifestyle and if this workhorse should one day try to get up and leave we have measures in place that he will have to give up half of what he has so that you can continue wasting his resources with us. Corporations benefit from both the feminist viewpoint as well as the traditionalist viewpoint because both put females on point and in control. Because realy if it were the other way around things would be different. The pressure we face is not just from women it is from the Larger society on a whole.

It is the pressure to acknowledge that our contribution to Humankind is only measureable in how hard we work and how much money we make as a result. Our woman is there to ensure that we waste our money and time and labour by putting it back in the Pseudo Capitalist matrix . Yeah iam all for no housewives and saving money. And its seems that doing it the MGTOW way is the only way to actually do it.The purpose of all women ive met is to just go along with me for a good ride while getting bills and expenses and vacations paid while having more options open up for them as a result. And how women love options, Its not even that they like the fact that they can make the best possible choice just the fact that many choices are available is enough for them. At that point they then make the dumbest choice and fall back on the others.

Like a lady i went to college with the other day migrated for a job on a small island . We were very good friends in college. And i was “In love” i told myself that one day we would be together even though she had a BF i was her best friend and eventually she would figure this out and true love would prevail. S~~~!!! she left for this job overseas so that plan didnt work. Of course i maintained contact through email and expensive phone calls because of the hope of one day marrying her. (Needless to say she was and still is freaking hot) but had a innocent humble nature about her unlike the usual hot girl who’s s~~~ can make brownies. She was humble and kind and thoughtful or so i thought. Anyway i maintained contact and she met some guy on that island after about a year of visiting back and forth and being friends only… I waited and she told me she broke up with the guy . So i made my long awaited move and proposed. She said yes .. When she came back home to visit we were making wedding plans only i noticed she was being distant secret phonecalls at night not wanting to spend time with me or making every excuse not to . Easily annoyed by my presence tell tale signs of some adulterous s~~~ i saw that . She went back i emailed asking whats the problem months no answer a year no answer. I truly considered her my friend. i eventully saw a response in email . I got knocked up by my ex i am so ashamed right now. i said i dont care we are friends right? I tried to console etc. Another 3 years no response. Of course when she came home during the summers and christmas i knew nothing. So i was married already by then etc. And one day i said to myself what the heck let me send an email.. She replied she misses me she has been thinking about me she had suppressed her feelings for me all this time , She needs me she is lonely, It didnt work out with the guy though she has his kid. She had to take him to a lawyer for child support . His family hates her, She hates him, he was abusive she only has two friends left. Nobody likes her . She misses me . She wants us to be together forever and she is sorry and realizes she made a mistake…

I never did f~~~ her and i would try to get some of that pussy  going forward i always wanted it. However i would like some opinions on this woman from some MGTOW brothers.

Should i take advantage of her seemingly current state of vulnerability? And get some of that chocolate brown 34-26 -38 pussy

Should i tell her  bon voyage (Missed the boat)

Should i try a new life with this seemingly new changed woman lol …

Really i dont care what anyone says am going to try to get some pussy but it would be interesting to hear your comments is all im saying ..

 

More life …

 

[RoyDalParticipant]

I’m holding out until Amazon.com sells Stepford Wives(TM) for a reasonable price.

“Honey, shut up. I’m taking the dog for a walk. Go in the closet and recharge yourself. You’ll need full batteries to do my shopping and cooking.”

“Yes dear.”

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Sinfree: Bon Voyage.

Look, you’re not the first and you won’t be the last to have an experience like this with a female. I’ve had staggering cases of one-itis for females… thought it was in love, thought they’d recognize my value and love me back, thought they’d leave their boyfriends or husbands for me, thought they’d stop f~~~ing around because I treated them well, thought I could be a friend and they would come to love me in time…

All of it was for nothing.

She comes to you now because the guy she wanted to f~~~ while you were trying to love her turned out to not be the kind of guy she could depend on to take care of her for the rest of her life. She looks back on everything you did and said and now she sees that you might have been that kind of man but that’s all she wants… the safety and protection and provision of a guy who is infatuated with her and will sell himself up the river for her.

You won’t be able to just f~~~ her and move on, you’re in too deep with her for that. And she will never love you because you aren’t her first choice. If you do get together with her, you will want to protect her and win her love and she will use you, resent you and then take you for everything you’ve got.

That is how these things work out. You will be her Beta Provider… her clean up pitcher, come in to save the game after all her other plans have failed. And she will hate you for it and you will end up hating yourself too.

Send her a hand written letter and tell her that you loved her once when you were young and foolish but that you see things for what they are now and that boat has already left the port. Wish her luck and tell her to take care of herself… you can trust that she will find a way to do that without you (there’s always a sucker in waiting somewhere) and then get on with enjoying your life and making up for the time and effort you wasted on her.

And get yourself a vasectomy.

[johnconnor777Participant 85]

If you hit that brown chocolate, do it “navy-seal” style…. in&out, wrap your soldier, and don’t walk away, run away…. you know very well you are not her first choice and she will end up sucking your resources, while eventually will go and hit on another man on your back

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

John Connor: no way you’re healthy, where’s the f~~~ing bacon in your fridge, man!??? That’s a f~~~ing food group, you know! 😉

Sinfree: listen to Doc, that bitch is a cancer. Period. To her in the past you were nothing but an orbiting beta, someone she could have hang around to satisfy the attention whore in her and keep you on the back burner while she sailed what she thought was better waters. She was wrong, and now she’s coming round to collect her backup sap. You. I’ve been there. It sucks but you do get over it, so start getting over it now. Jesus, I can’t believe Doc is being so kind, if it were I (and it has been me) I wouldn’t even f~~~ing grace her with a response. I guess it would probably be the smart thing to do because she might assume you never got her emails and then she might call you, but I’ve grown a thick f~~~ing hide now to women and I don’t give a f~~~ what they think of me. Not at all.

You were a friend-zoned beta – period. She didn’t desire you because if she had she would have f~~~ed you. It’s happened to me too. Just accept it even if it is painful and move on.

Don’t tell her ‘bon voyage’ – let her f~~~ing twist in the wind. Just as she made you do in those years. I don’t give a f~~~ what measurements this t~~~ has, either.

[screwedParticipant 5]

lol Doc said it costs 40 thousand dollars a year to have a girlfriend or wife, thats good but i think you should redo your figures

i think it is way more than that. I have had a few of them things you all call a wife!!!! what a joke. it has took me years and at least 6 houses and a lot of other stuff i can never replace to get to the point where i do not even want to talk to these wemen. now i am much happyer in my life and it only took about 3 years to buy the house i am in now, had i had the help of a woman that would have been 30 years.

now for the stuff i have all i need not all i wanted but that is coming back slow but sure the only thing i cant redo is my health over all this s~~~,

so you see you need to figure in all the health costs in the long run and beleave me that is a lot.

[screwedParticipant 5]

here is a little storie that happened to me in the early 70s!!!!! i was seeing this very nice girl at the time, as luck would have it i had to leave town for a job, she called all the time and we talked a lot, she was young as was i but the day came that i got a call saying i needed to return asap as she was pregnant, it hit me like a ton of bricks so i returned to see what was up, that is when her mother got invalved all sorts of things where told to me and threats made. as i sat in the room at her and her mothers house it hit me hell i had been out of town for 11 months, this can’t be my kid.

well some time in that nite i put my s~~~ in the car and went back to my job. and at that time the state could not cross the state line to persue me,(thank God). as time passed on some 15 years later they passed a dead beet dad law saying they could come after me any where in the U.S. so they did just that. I was served with a court summons saying i was being sued for 15 years of welfare payments to the mother and the mothers pain and suffering and a berage of other things. To bad i was married at the time of course the bitch i was married to took the other girls side saying i should have keep my dick in my pants LOL. and it cost me my job as well not to mention i had to go the that state 700 miles and get a lawyer and go to court (after all i was sued by the county for 580 thousand dollars) because she named me as the father instead of the low life asshole she was screwing while i was gone. I had to pay also for dna testing ( that was new at the time as well) thank God again for that!!!! just think what it really costs to have a bitch around wow.The out come was the all this was done in vain i had never seen the kid and   but that alone would saved a lot of money because the kid was chinesesand i am not nor is she hell the judge did not even look at the d n a stuff (no need too) I was not the dad but i spent lots of money for this s~~~, and no way to get it back. as for keeping my dick in my pants as the wife said well that led on to divorce that i wanted for that s~~~ but that cost me as well,because she was the poor victum in that statement (THE BITCH) !!!!!

of course I guess Doc was right 580,000 divided by 15 years comes to 38,666.00 bucks a year plus all the other money spent would be 40,000 or more.

[76binderParticipant 20]

Hell yeah, the suzie home maker bit is the most successful lie ever perpetrated. The way you spelled out how it should be, to be fair is strikingly similar to the domestic partnership my girlfriend and I made and signed. We make about equal money. We have 2 houses, 2 cars, but nothing in both names. All my s~~~ is all my s~~~, and hers is hers. We don’t share money, split bills, or ask what the other does with their money. If she loses her job she’ll lose her house just like anybody else would. I’m not her sugar daddy, and I’d live on the street before borrowing from her. I’m just honest enough to admit it’s all conditional. You screw up. You gone.

[DarthWParticipant 70]

I’m posting a response a bit late on this forum, but I like what has been presented.   A few years ago when I was dating I would find myself putting out quite a bit of money, time, and work to prove that I was “worthy” to these women I would date.  At my age, often they had kids from a previous marriage, so I’d be putting in all this effort while she put on me on a backburner  as well about “Oh I to do so and so with the kids.”  I don’t have kids, so I’d think “I’ll be patient so she can do what she needs to and not put a lot of pressure on her.”  Mind you most of the women were dating me, and seemed interested to some degree, but as time went on and “do the math” about how much time, effort, work, etc. I was putting in to “prove myself”, while most of them would half-ass their effort, sit back and let me make all the plans then spend all my money to entertain them, and act like that was just what all men are supposed to do.  I’d end one relationship, and think  “Well, she was just selfish and too busy, etc.” then the next relationship would evolve similarly: me working to prove myself – knowing that as the relationship progressed to more commitment I’d merely be expected to shell out even more time, effort, and  – mostly – money, and she was sitting back and coasting.  In time, I figured out what that nagging feeling was, that I always was seeing there was going to be nothing in any committed relationship with a woman for me; any relationship would be expected to be all about her and her needs (and her kids needs if she had them).  I couldn’t accept that, and eventually found these types of forums where it helped solidify my view and reinforce that it isn’t just me.

What Johnconnor777 states about telling women “What’s in this relationship for me?”, and then getting that “deer in the headlights” view is so true.  I can be a bit direct, so I’ve had a couple older women say to me recently upon learning I’m single, “Oh you’ll find someone….”  When I told them “I’m happily single and always will be.” they’d press the issue as if they “knew better”, as if I certainly couldn’t be happy without a woman on my arm.  So, I asked each of them (paraphrasing), “Now, why would I get married.  What would be in it for me?  Raising another man’s children?  Leaving myself vulnerable for her to take half my earnings, my 401K, and my home?  Getting nagged endlessly when today I can do what I want, when I want to?  So, tell me what’s in a marriage for a man?”  Both are friendly toward me, so I was direct but aiming to be good natured in a debate.  Of course, they had nothing to offer.  The best a woman will try to say is a relationship is for “love” to which I remind them how most women initiate divorces, so I would figure most women my age would “love” me like their first husband, and all the way to her second divorce.  The one woman is twice divorced, and in that moment she admitted to me that she initiated them.  Then she added that she should have worked harder in her first marriage to the father of her children in a way that made me think she has many regrets.  I don’t know her well enough to know the story there, but you could see she is probably not liking facing her 50s too much now.

 

[DoinMyOwnThing40Participant 1000]

I think what happens is that men say to themselves “I can not be alone.” They also have it engrained into their  heads that they MUST get married and have kids or else they are failures in life.

I personally see or have no use for a woman in my life. The only reason I would ever want to so much as speak to a woman is if I can get her for the one and only reason I need her for…….and that is sex.

You get married, you get bored with the same woman all the time. She get’s fat and lazy, just like you said. You don’t even WANT to have sex with her eventually.

Men meet women when the woman is young and hot. Men fall in love with women when the woman is young and hot. But that quickly wears off and you are left with someone you grow to hate. Then you stay married because you are used to her and you figure you can’t do any better.

That’s the way I see it.

 

Women are parasites. Each and every last one of them.

[johnconnor777Participant 85]

It is a bit of a depressing thought, but you are so absolutely right….. I think the other reason why a lot of people get married is not to be alone, the sad part is that the loneliest men I ever met were men trapped on an unsuccesful marriage, that’s true lonelines, having to put up with hell every day, with someone you despise, because if you do divorce you won’t see your kids and you will have to be paying for the rest of your life.

 

 

[johnconnor777Participant 85]

DarthW, you are right. You do any kind of ration risk assesment, and you pretty much have to be out of your mind to marry in America nowdays, if you are man, even with an Ironclad prenup, because they are not 100% bullet proof either…

Unless somehow you get to make some attractive and better off woman, there is no point.

Another example: I had a lunch date on Friday, lovely woman, early thirties. Seemed really sweet and caring… anyway, on these first encounters, I usually just enjoy my meal, ask her to tell me about herself, listen, nod, and try to reveal as little as possible about me. Making the story short, she gets to tell me about her life and her two kids, what I didn’t know know is that her two kids, were from different fathers, and that she divorced both of them from different reasons (first one was to young and got pregnant, second one was abusive)… anyway, she keeps talking and gets to the point that she doesn’t want to date, that want to find a true companion, love, bla bla bla… and on the back of my mind I keep thinking (after taking the red pill), that she means: I want a man to raise my offspring from other men, pay for everything, and be good to me, because I already had my fun with all the alphas.

I even think she was sincere with what she told me… I just, at this point of my life, can’t really think what a woman around my age, being used and abussed, with plenty of vaggage (divorces, kids, etc…) can really bring to the table if you married.

Dating, going out to do fun stuff together, hitting her couch every now and then… sure, but nothing besides that point.

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