The US Navy is worn out.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

The U.S. Navy Is Flat Worn-Out

Good article, what do our Naval Men think?

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[KolaxisParticipant 668]

I would think if they’re worried about being this overpowered by a foreign navy that they’d either make newer, superior ships or at least bring some of the old battleships like the USS Missouri back into rotation. Of course, if their maintenance is so backlogged, they might be unable to do either. I would certainly be interested in hearing from someone in the know.

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[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

The U.S. military is stretched very thin. Yes, the U.S. military has a lot of soldiers and a lot of firepower, but most of the soldiers and hardware are stationed outside of the U.S.

It is also no secret that the U.S. military hardware is outdated and overused, with little or no spare parts for the hardware the U.S. military uses.

Worst of all, the U.S. population is broke and the U.S. does not have the money to update U.S. military training and hardware.

If the Mexican military invaded today in an attempt to annex much of the U.S. southwest, it is likely the U.S. military might not be able to immediately stop the Mexican military without resorting to weapons of mass-destruction. The threat of using WMDs might not be enough to stop the Mexican military.

Also, Mexico having over fifty trade treaties with other nations, using mexican to ship their goods into the U.S. through no tariffs by NAFTA.

The rest of the world might make it clear that the U.S. using WMDs on Mexico, the U.S. will face at least a complete global embargo by the rest of the world.

It would likely take months for the U.S. military to organize an conventional response. By then, the military military would be entrenched in several heavily populated U.S. cities, with them controlling key locations on roads, ports, and landing strips. The Mexican military will likely use the U.S. citizens whom were unable to escape as hostages, except for those U.S. citizens they murder and dump in mass graves.

The local U.S. citizens in Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico will put up a fight with their small arms, this would slow down the Mexican military in building to building fighting, but they would not be able to stop an organized military attack.

The invading Mexicans already in southern California might first welcome the Mexican military, only for them to riot when they realize that all the U.S. welfare benefits they have been getting will be cut off.

I am not sure how the other invading Latin Americans will react to the presence of the Mexican military. They might try to flee with the American people.

That is only the Mexican military. If the Mexican military had help it would be far worse for the U.S.

This might be why some in the high ranking members of the U.S. military want to legalize DACA amnesty and leave NAFTA in place, because for the short term they do not want to start a war with Mexican. This might be due to them realizing that the U.S. southern ass is exposed to the wind.

Of course, if the U.S. built a border wall and manned it with the U.S. military this would help prevent an invasion. But, the U.S. government is more interested in building border walls in other nations and using the U.S. military to protect the borders of other nations, and not the borders and people of the U.S.

Historically, this is how the the Visigoths took the Iberian Peninsula (where Spain and Portugal are today) from the Roman Empire.

At the time, the Rome Empire was very weaken, they overextended their military to their borders, and their people has been destroyed under the bureaucracy and taxation of Roman government.

In 376 AD, the Visigoths broke through the part of the Roman military in the very east of the Roman borders in what is today the northeastern coast of the black sea. The Visigoths than ran down the northern Mediterranean coast of Roman, from Athens to the city of Roman.

The Roman military was not able to pull themselves together to stop the Visigoths because a number of the Roman legions were protecting the borders they were stationed at from other enemies, some more dangerous than the Visigoths.

The Visigoths continued going west until they stop at the Iberian Peninsula, turning the peninsula into their own kingdom, Hispania. This kingdom was unified in 475 AD. The Kingdom of Hispania ruled the Iberian Peninsula until the 711 AD when political infighting weakened the kingdom to the point the muslims of the invaded from the south and conquered them a few years later. But, the retaking of the Iberian Peninsula by the Europeans began in 718 AD, but this war take years to drive the muslims from the Iberian peninsula.

[Anonymous 14]

Worn out you say? When you are trying to dominate the entire planet instead of just taking care of your own turf this is the price one must pay I suppose.

[KevinStylesParticipant 2580]

Ya pretty much agree with Joe, if we stopped being the worlds police force we’d be better off I think.

[Anonymous 42]

Boats are too slow anyway!

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[743 roadmasterParticipant]

The truth of it is the Navy has been worn out for years. The replacement or updating of these old ships is way behind the times. Even when I was active duty is was common knowledge. The issue falls into a single new ship is billions of dollars, a refitting is a savings but not by much.

The whole of the truth is it is service wide, all the way down to the National and Coast Guard.

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[Anonymous 12]

How would a war with China even go? The Chinese have bought up so much land and companies etc in the West, in Australia our idiot Prime Minister has even leased out a major Port to them! This move even shocked the Leftard Obama.

Not to mention there are huge Chinese populations in the West. Which side would they take? What would they do if bombs started to falling on Beijing?

One huge mess.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

Anonymous wrote:

How would a war with China even go? The Chinese have bought up so much land and companies etc in the West, in Australia our idiot Prime Minister has even leased out a major Port to them! This move even shocked the Leftard Obama.

Nationalization of property on both sides of the war. Nullification of debts. Then, the shooting war likely starts.

Anonymous wrote:

Not to mention there are huge Chinese populations in the West.

Many of them have family dating back a century. Some are more recent. The more recent came to the west to flee communist Chinese.

Anonymous wrote:

Which side would they take? What would they do if bombs started to falling on Beijing?

Good question.

Anonymous wrote:

One huge mess.

A larger mess than you likely realize.

China is taking an aggressive stance in the South China Sea. South China Sea borders eastern Indochina peninsula and the northern part of the Malay archipelago. Much of the third world factors in this region and in China. If war breaks out in the South China Sea, a lot of products are going to stop being made for a while until those factories are moved elsewhere.

[OldBillParticipant]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Good article, what do our Naval Men think?

Entirely accurate. I served in a near 500 ship navy with a less frequent deployment rate and we were still worn out. On my last ship, my particular rate was manned at below 80% meaning we had less than eight men doing a job the Navy itself believed required ten.

Underway, I stood watch six hours on and six hours off around the clock, every day of every week of every month the reactors were operating. During my time “off” I was supposed to perform maintenance, lead and/or receive training, and keep up with my many qualifications. Sleeping and eating were way down on the list, especially eating.

I actually had two sets of work clothes. One for underway where I dropped below 160lbs because I’d rather get 20 minutes more sleep than be wakened early for meals and one for in port where I rebounded to around 180lbs. I’m 6’1″ by the way, when I dropped below 160lbs I looked like a f~~~ing corpse.

These days the poor squids in the Haze Grey Canoe Club have 200 fewer ships than we did while trying to deploy at a greater rate than we faced in support of all the asinine “Wars” on this, that, and some other thing. Manning levels are even worse, the USN has had to scrap perfectly good ships decades before they were planned to because there simply weren’t enough bodies to run them. The schedules aboard are even tighter. There’s far less and far poorer quality training being conducted too.

SWO school, which used to be a 6 month course with a >20% wash out rate at the Naval War College in Newport, has been replaced with a set of two dozen or so DVDs prospective SWOs pretend to watch before taking a series of self-graded tests with an 100% pass rates.

They’re stretched past the breaking point and they’re mailing in the training needed to do the jobs on hand. The two recent collisions are just a warning of what is to come.

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[joetechParticipant]

I was in the surface fleet from 1976 to 1979. We had almost no maintenance budget thanks to cuts in military spending. I was on a 25 year old LSD. We used to go to the salvage yard for parts we needed to keep the ship working. In 1941 we had 8 battleships that were obsolete and were slated to be replaced by battleships like the USS North Carolina, which completed her sea trials in June of 1941. These were the forerunners of the New Jersey class battleships like the Missouri. The Pearl Harbor attack sunk those 8 battleships in 40 feet of water next to intact repair facilities, but it was years before 6 of them could be returned to service, which they were. Today’s Navy faces the same apathy we faced in the late 30’s and the late 70’s after Vietnam. America always waits till the last minute to prepare herself for the next major struggle. One of these days I think we’re liable to loose a major conflict, but what will the conquering nation think of taking over a government that’s nothing more than the keeper of an insane asylum? That remains to be seen. My fellow Americans, are we still going to be Americans when we get conquered? Just wait till the conquering army finds out that the United States actual belongs to Mexico. Just ask any Latino.

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[OldBillParticipant]

joetech wrote:

We had almost no maintenance budget thanks to cuts in military spending. I was on a 25 year old LSD.

The Gator Navy? As bad as it was for us, it was way worse for you guys.

Congress only loves subs and carriers. The surface fleet can rot away for all they care. We used to talk about how the surface fleet got the hind tit, but all the ‘Phibs got was a boil near the asshole.

Our chiefs bought bundles of rags at Goodwill out of their own pocket because the ones we’d been using, washing, reusing, and rewashing were starting to look like doilies. We couldn’t get money from the squadron to rent a resin bed trailer to make reserve feed water for the steam generators while the carrier across the pier had two.

One night I said f~~~ it, got most of the nuc engineering duty section together and “borrowed” one. We disconnected it, rolled it across the pier, hooked it up, and made reserve feed until around 0300 when we put it back where we “found” it. It became a regular thing. We’d do it once or twice a month on weekends. Our khakis just looked the other way so they could play dumb if we ever got caught.

And to think it’s gotten worse.

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[Modern Day WarriorParticipant 499]

I was on battleships and gators in the 80s and 90s. Sleep deprivation was always a given, as was consuming massive quantities of coffee. Not enough ships means more frequent deployments, and undermanned ships means overworked crews.

We had such severe budget cuts that we couldn’t afford to buy fuel for our LCACs or ammo for weapons quals. We had to cannibalize parts and pull all kinds of MacGiver fixes to keep everything running.

Of course, we’re coming out of another 8 year period of budget cuts. Hopefully things will go in an upward trend. But as Old Bill pointed out, if they’ve watered down the training of SWOs, they’ll have problems. Getting that OOD qual used to be brutal. I realize that now there is much sexual harassment and trans integration training being conducted, probably at the expense of things like ship handling and basic plotting.

I read that CIC wasn’t using maneuvering boards during one of those collisions because they have a more modern system. Funny, but old school mo boards worked fine for us. In my 14 years of sea duty I never saw a collision at sea. And as a guy who stood my share of Lookout watches and spent much time on the bridge and in CIC, I have to wonder how in the hell did those collisions happen?

Of course, it’s not just the Navy that’s spread thin. OPTEMPO hasn’t slowed since 9/11 for anyone. The fix is recruiting enough of the right people and then letting them focus on the mission: breaking things and blowing s~~~ up. As opposed to say, conducting social experiments.

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