The time has come, to tell the Tale…

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant 1068]

Thanks Jambear

 

Yup, my own former marriage hell could be a good David Fincher film, or a novel. I too thought the same as you did, I couldn’t see my life without women, because they had been such a huge part of my life, through dating at a young age, being in relationships none stop. Being alone was going to be something foreign and scary for me at the time. But then I stood back and saw my life and said: “that’s the problem, I’ve made women the center of my own world, and put them so high on this glorious pedestal, I’ve never once did anything for myself, or did what I wanted to do”. The “Aha” moment went off for me, i took that first step and never looked back, I then began to look at either my Family’s relationships/marriages or friends and their relationships how they would start and end, after awhile I began to see a pattern. Like a stage in a game you’ve played a million times, and you know where the bad guy is going to be at that exact time and place, it literally was small increments of taking my Red Pill. Then after studying Misandry and looking around at the man hating society, the huge red pill was right in front of me, i swallowed it, and never looked back.

 

I think for me personally, something within me, call it instinct or ancestral survival  kicked in to leave the marriage. I read a book a few years back about husbands who were abused it talked about malicious women who have hurt, killed, and abused men. The one part of a book where a husband writes his last email to his relative before His wife murders him is “i think my wife, wants me dead, but I’m not sure” sent chills down my spine, this man loved and cared for someone, gave her children, and she ended up killing Him because she had mental problems. I’m not saying every Woman wants to kill you, however they is a side that does die in every man once He goes into a relationship. A woman will show her true colors as time passes by. men will think “what happened, you use to be like this?” or “you’ve changed honey?”, no, I’m here to tell you that’s THE REAL HER, the one you fell in love with was a Mask, a Ruse. Like Keymaster said, A woman will put her best foot forward and it’s a trap.  I want time for ME, and it’s about damn time Men have some time for themselves, they sure as hell have earned it., we work hard, we have huge amounts of responsibility, then on top of a that a woman tries to control, manipulate, lie, cheat, just to benefit themselves.  I’m glad you didn’t commit suicide Jambear, I really mean that bud. I’m also glad your reclaimed yourself. I feel these forums are great for men to look upon and say “hey, i went through that” or “wow this guys story saved my life” then I feel we’ve done our job.

 

 

 

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[ShadowerParticipant 16]

All I can say is WOW. Another Journey to MGTOW for the archives.

[JediTimParticipant 50]

Deus, what an incredible story and journey you have been on. Thank you for sharing part of your past and history. That you have been able to slowly rebuild gives those of us at the very beginning of the road hope. Thank you again for sharing, brother.

[JediTimParticipant 50]

PS – not to be a stickler or obsessed with semantics, KeyMaster, but is isn’t that a life “may have been saved.” – lives ARE being saved. Emotional, financial, psychological lives are being salvaged. The damage is stopping and lives are being rebuilt. I’m brand new to this and already grateful.

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant 1068]

Your very welcome Jedi!,

 

If I can help one Man, My mission is complete. It’s interesting to note that, some of my closest friends and family don’t even know that story. And why I haven’t told them, because they wouldn’t understand. I share this, to those that deserve to know, and I feel the Men here deserve to know, why? because it might help someone in the long run.

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[SandmanParticipant 12]

Deus, thanks for sharing your story. I don’t have a lot to add here that hasn’t already been said. Every time I read these encounters, these life lessons, these stories of truth, I can’t help but feel I am distant and cold for a reason, and for good reason.

Take Care Brother

 

The Sandman

[rastamonParticipant 44]

Deus, that is a tragic and riveting tale. As I read through the first two paragraphs I could see some parallels between our stories, travel, countless women from a multitude of countries, finding “the one” at a time when you were the opposite of needy, mantaining an LTR through all of the insecurity and jealousy. But that, my friend, is where the similarities end. If I thought I had it bad, I was sorely mistaken. Mine seems a walk in the park compared to your brush with death. Thank you for keeping this in perspective.

I have taken a moral from this story…

marriage gets worse with time, not better. cut your losses as soon as you realize this fact. 

Thank you.

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant 1068]

@sandman

Your welcome Buddy!, and welcome to the group!.

@rastamon

Too true my friend, but all of our stories are apart of our life, and will help someone someday. And yes with time, marriage gets far more worse. My ex wife proved that to me, and the results were damn near frightening.

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

That is a truly a powerful story. Every one of us has watched in stunned disbelief and horror as the mask has come off a woman we thought we knew and we saw her emptiness and impotent rage laid bare to us. I am glad you survived your attack and thank you for sharing your experience with us.

My Singapore girlfriend never assaulted me physically, just waited until I had moved to the city to be with her (Jalan Sultan area back in 1997) and then left town for six weeks while the economy collapsed around me and forced my repatriation.

And as for the whole cheating and Asian women being better than their Western counterparts thing, just a couple of months ago I was contacted by an old girlfriend in Japan… a girl whose virginity I had very carefully and gently claimed after many months of courtship and patience nearly a decade ago. It was approaching the tenth anniversary of our meeting and she, feeling nostalgic for me as her “first love”, wanted a reprise. It just so happened that I was on my way to Tokyo to do a huge and totally unrelated favor for a lifelong friend so I agreed to meet her.

When we got together, she confessed to me that she had been with a guy for several years (another Caucasian) but wanted to be with me as well and couldn’t make up her mind. I made the call for her and took her back to my hotel and we spent a very enjoyable afternoon together with no apparent hesitation on her part (plausible deniability for the win!) and then she went right back to him.

Of course when she told me that she still loves him and I replied with “stay with him, then, I’m going home and won’t be coming back” she was furious and that’s the last I’ve heard from her. Even in the act of cheating on her long time boyfriend and then giving me the boot, she still managed to be angry at me. I hate to think of what hell she is putting him through for suspecting what she has done.

Your woman nearly killed you for attempting to penetrate her lies and the most shocking thing about that is that it isn’t shocking at all. Your experience and story will almost certainly save a man’s life and quite a few men’s fortunes who would otherwise turn to Asia to fulfill their hopeless dream of finding a NAWALT. Asian women are like that, too.

[euphemus2Participant 4]

Deus Ex Machina – I’ll add another “wow” to the tally.

It was the hard way to find out, but at least you did. This s~~~ idea that women don’t like sex, which sits at the heart of so much thinking including anthropology, evolution, sociology, psychology etc. is just not true – these disciplines have all been poisoned by an old chivalrous / religious idea of women as virgins and angels, or poisoned by feminism which holds on to the same false chivalrous notions (the bitter irony).

This idea that women aren’t adulterous, only men, is just not true – how much evidence do we need before this sinks in, and both men and women own it? I’m going from memory here, but I recall a paternity study done in a western middle-class hospital in the 1940s where they found ~10% of children born were not to the mother’s husband (ie the named father). Consider the ratio between copulation and conception, the brief window provided by ovulation, add in contraception and abortion, and the conclusion / implication is that there is a lot more sex going on outside marriage than just 10%.  We have to face the facts: Monogamy is a fantasy, and females are not by nature faithful (nor are men – it takes two to tango).

Having been raised by a violent mother – towards my father – you were lucky to have not had kids with this person. Decades of pain would have awaited you had that happened – they would have become convenient weapons.

Thanks for your story – it was powerful.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Deus:

No offense but this is why I don’t envy men who “have it all”.  Good story though, a lot of insight.

It’s interesting to note that, some of my closest friends and family don’t even know that story. And why I haven’t told them, because they wouldn’t understand.

I agree a lot with this.  A lot of times people, especially family (mostly the women), don’t understand.  I don’t know how many times I would frankly express what I observed and felt only to wrongly be labeled “bitter” etc.  I think sometimes when one goes mgtow/takes the red pill others feel threatened because it is something different or angry because they see failure in their own lives.

Euphemus:

This idea that women aren’t adulterous, only men, is just not true – how much evidence do we need before this sinks in, and both men and women own it? I’m going from memory here, but I recall a paternity study done in a western middle-class hospital in the 1940s where they found ~10% of children born were not to the mother’s husband (ie the named father). Consider the ratio between copulation and conception, the brief window provided by ovulation, add in contraception and abortion, and the conclusion / implication is that there is a lot more sex going on outside marriage than just 10%.  We have to face the facts: Monogamy is a fantasy, and females are not by nature faithful (nor are men – it takes two to tango).

They also had records in the 40s showing that up to 40% of newborns given birth too were conceived before the marriage.  Most of those marriages happened because the women got knocked up.  I guarantee that a large portion of the “Greatest Generation”‘s women were f~~~ing around before and just got caught.

[euphemus2Participant 4]

+John Doe Yeah, childbirth out of wedlock was huge here (Australia) in the 30s (40s, 50s, 60s…). There were whole hospitals dedicated to young girls who got pregnant out of marriage. It was an industry. The girls would be kept indoors for months, then be put in the hospital, have their babies taken away for adoption at birth, and the girl returned to home. Neighbours etc. were told she’d gone to stay with relatives and no one ever knew. This went on right up until the 70s. There’s lots of women and now adult children telling their stories and agitating to be reunited. Its pretty sad – they got penalised for doing what comes naturally. And, many times, the fathers never even knew.

There was also a huge illegal “backyard-abortion” racket in Sydney right up until the 1960s. The old “coathanger” job, or women who’d arrange them secretly – she’d let out a few rooms in her home every week and organise for a doctor to administer a toxic douche in pretty unsanitary conditions – lots of complications, including deaths.

When I was a young man I worked for the Dept. of Veterans Affairs – I remember one of the older supervisors – a woman – telling me about the war widows – which she affectionately called “those old slags”. She remembered Sydney during WWII: It was an R&R base for the US forces. “They were doing every sailor they could find while our boys were off fighting elsewhere, they were doing it on lawns and in doorways in Paddington”. My grandmother told me very similar stories. There were a lot of half US babies born and adopted in Australia in the 40s!

And, there has always been the old “shotgun” wedding.

Everyone buys this idea that women are not sexually motivated. Not just men buy this crap – women perpetuate it too – and we/they need to face the reality. Marriage is bulls~~~ and monogamy is a myth – its unnatural.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

The “Greatest Generation” were a bunch of pigs.  All arguments proving their “superiority” are void in light of their behavior.  I am tiring of hearing about them.

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant 1068]

@john

Totally agree Bud, I myself don’t envy anyone who Has it all either. What I learned after My divorce while living in my truck and being homeless (while having a job) was the simple things in life. The way the birds sounded in the morning, the sound of people talking or people watching, The way tree’s sounded in the wind.  I dedicated my entire life to school, work, and women. Nothing was ever for myself, and if it was?, it was brief.

 

If I can help one guy out there, I’m happy. MGTOW is the way to go, it feels right, it feels more natural then anything in my life so it’s the path I choose. Women do cheat, and it’s sad, however we can’t change the pattern or their ways. Best thing, is not to give a f~~~ and go our own way. Learn from the mistakes, and move on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[John DoeParticipant 743]

What I learned after My divorce while living in my truck and being homeless (while having a job) was the simple things in life. The way the birds sounded in the morning, the sound of people talking or people watching, The way tree’s sounded in the wind. 

 

Amen brother, that is all its about in the end.

[Ravengade7Participant 14]

This is why I don’t f~~~ around with women that much. Results in s~~~ like this. F~~~ “The Greatest Generation”. Generation Y is lucky they don’t have the dreaded “shotgun weddings”. If some f~~~~~ came at me with a shotgun, I will work to save up for a sniper rifle. Then point it at his ass. Had these mothers raised their daughters right and kept them from slutting around, they would never be pointing shotguns at us.

[Ravengade7Participant 14]

You should have just focused on JUST your schoolwork and your job. And if you have free time, you should use that for yourself. Women show themselves to be a middleman. Cut out the middleman. and you will be happy 🙂

[…Spectator 1165]

Deus: Right on brother for standing up and telling it like it is. ListenUp! kids. Deus has some wisdom for you. Read his whole post and think about it.

Deus: In the 90’s I had the good fortune that one of the bands I was working with did some tours that included Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, and Malaysia. After f~~~ing as many chicks as possible for a month, I wanted more and since we had a break in the tour schedule, I decided to look into become an ExPat and settling down with a rich or even peasant hottie in Thailand. I love to travel solo and the band was cool with it so I called this one guy I had met in Bangkok  (great name for a city like that hahahaha) and went to visit him.

It was during my lunches and dinners with him that I learned the ropes about settling down in Asian countries with a woman.  The laws of all those countries were very simple and are probably still the same (someone correct me with newer stats if they have them). For any American to wed one of those girls and move there, it was allowed. For a fee. Then if the American man – get this part – purchases a home there with 100 % of his own money, he is only allowed to be recognized as 49 % owner, with the Woman (who has nothing but a vag) given 51 % ownership by the Gov’t just for snagging a man stupid enough to agree to that deal.

Ever since then, I gave up on the idea of moving to one of those countries and settling down in blissful harmony with some c~~~ I met. And that was 21 years ago this year. Damn.

Anyway, that was a hell of a story and I’m honored to know a bad ass mutherf~~~er like you bro. Keep posting!

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