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Tiga K 4 years, 3 months ago.
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if you pop your head up the system will whack-a-mole your ass. revolts are done at critical mass. best option at the moment is to move out of society and prep.
The state broke the social contract when they brought in gynocentric laws and allowed men to be rinsed and abused in custody and divorce and false allegations etc. Honest and just men owe nothing to a corrupt gynocentric state. Let it collapse and be replaced by something new, however that happens. The solution is for those who respect the rule of law, truth, justice and liberty to stick together. The 17th century enlightenment philosophers are the best example. That led to the French Revolution and American Independence. Made possible by men who upheld the Rule of Law.
the moors were pushed out of europe through battle, sacrifice and death .was that WRONG to have defended your homeland ? when governments FAIL to honor it’s citizens and allow hordes to invade ..the people have a duty to revolt and THAT is clear in history .sharia law ? F~~~ THAT !
The society we live in, let it be the states or any highly developed country, has it´s flaws. Wars, started for economic benefits or gynocentric laws, whatever. It´s a lot better today in its current state, than in the version quoted in the highlighted parts.
Call me a conservative, but I assume that the least of us, and I include myself on that, really know what it means to suffer, starve, fight for your life, see people die! I understand the urge for a change of the current society, but as long as I´m concerned, I need no revolution or anything like that.
Maybe, I´m getting old and tend more to preserve than to transform society. Nevertheless, it does´t seem like my hopes in that matter will be granted.
IDGAF
When Europe started going to hell, people could flee to America and find freedom. Where the f~~~ are we going to flee when the wave of crap hits the American shore? When the west falls, we’ll be back in the dark ages. Then it’s everyone for himself, and the “make love, no war” entitled class will be the first victims as they will have ZERO abilities to defend themselves.
The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!
Call me a conservative, but I assume that the least of us, and I include myself on that, really know what it means to suffer, starve, fight for your life, see people die! I understand the urge for a change of the current society, but as long as I´m concerned, I need no revolution or anything like that.
Maybe, I´m getting old and tend more to preserve than to transform society. Nevertheless, it does´t seem like my hopes in that matter will be granted.I don’t know of anyone on this site that is calling for an armed revolution (though you said “don’t tread on me” earlier which could mean you won’t comply with the rules and revolt). I consider myself an anarchist or a minarchist, but I doubt any revolution will take place in my life time and I have no plans on initiating one. I do however believe that change is inevitable and that the only thing I can do is decide where I stand and what I will do when that change occurs. I don’t have any plans on leaving my country, America, but I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Let’s say America makes a law that all men must marry (I know, not likely), is patriotism an excuse to get married, have offspring and feed the current system. I say no! Will my decision to leave potentially hurt the country and maybe it’s citizens (by not making little TigaKurisu’s and tax money)? Maybe, but a man has got to do what he believes is right.
I do however believe that change is inevitable and that the only thing I can do is decide where I stand and what I will do when that change occurs
And so do I.
I don’t have any plans on leaving my country, but I wouldn’t have a problem with it
Same here, if it is out of my free will and not by force of an invasion.
… is patriotism an excuse to get married, have offspring and feed the current system.I say no!.
I sense a little passive-agressiv tone in your statements. I understand that you´re no friend of patriotism, that´s ok, but why not refer to the original topic instead of trying to shame me for my opinion?!
Will my decision to leave potentially hurt the country and maybe it’s citizens (by not making little TigaKurisu’s and tax money)? Maybe, but a man has got to do what he believes is right.
If you or me would leave our countries would´t matter at all, but if millions of us would … totally different thing!
Maybe, but a man has got to do what he believes is right.
I believe that it´s right to call something that walks, talks and looks like a duck – a duck. So I agree to disagree with you on that topic.
IDGAF
I do however believe that change is inevitable and that the only thing I can do is decide where I stand and what I will do when that change occurs
And so do I.
I don’t have any plans on leaving my country, but I wouldn’t have a problem with it
Same here.
… is patriotism an excuse to get married, have offspring and feed the current system.I say no!.
I sense a little passive-agressiv tone in your statements. I understand that you´re no friend of patriotism, that´s ok, but why not refer to the original topic instead of trying to shame me for my opinion?!
Will my decision to leave potentially hurt the country and maybe it’s citizens (by not making little TigaKurisu’s and tax money)? Maybe, but a man has got to do what he believes is right.
If you or me would leave our countries would´t matter at all, but if millions of us would … totally different thing!
Maybe, but a man has got to do what he believes is right.
I believe that it´s right to call something that walks, talks and looks like a duck – a duck. So I agree to disagree with you on that topic.
No passive agressive tone was included. I just don’t think patriotism should come above what someone believes is right. I used patriotism instead of nationalism because as far as I can tell they are the same thing. I think a lot of Americans use the word patriotism instead of nationalism because it sounds nicer. Thanks for pointing that out so I could clarify.
I don’t think it makes a difference if millions of us do it. There is nothing wrong with a man’s decision to leave his country even if many other’s share his view.
If you could elaborate on what you meant by your duck comment, it would be appreciated. I don’t understand what you mean by it.
Anonymous42Nevertheless, it does´t seem like my hopes in that matter will be granted.
b-4-good, s~~~ thinking has permeated this society, the ability to accept and overcome is the one thing survivors have in common, don’t be the guy that says “I didn’t see that one coming”, be the guy that methodically looks for character defects in the people he meets, recognizes those defects, and ejects those people from his life!
I’ve seen time and time again the people I sent packing (f~~~ off and die) have always found others to tolerate their endless abuses, it’s almost comical!
I laugh at people that let others use them over and over like roller towel!
Mentally abusive people all seem to have the same traits, their lives are an endless cycle of drama and upheaval.
Personally here on MGTOW.COM I’m pretty open and blunt, in real life I don’t raise my voice, I don’t call people names, I don’t create scenes, and I don’t participate in drama at any level, I live in the woods (where I belong), my mind can no longer tolerate the mental overload associated with drama.
I get along great with my neighbor, we’re prepers by circumstance as we both see things the same way, we’re prepared to battle any aggressive intruders at a moments notice, we have contingency plans for everything but nuclear war. I even have an old Goreman Rupp fire pump I’m hooking to the brook, once finished, we’ll practice fire drills too.
Defending yourself with obsolete Soviet weapons and ammo, who would have thunk it???? Weapons that killed Nazis in WW2 work as good today as they did then! I also have a Soviet cold war night vision. A bunch of cool s~~~ came from the fall of the Soviets. I can’t wait to see the s~~~ that hits the market when the U.S. fails! Tomahawk missiles 500 bucks! I mean 500 rubles…Nevertheless, it does´t seem like my hopes in that matter will be granted.
b-4-good, s~~~ thinking has permeated this society, the ability to accept and overcome is the one thing survivors have in common, don’t be the guy that says “I didn’t see that one coming”, be the guy that methodically looks for character defects in the people he meets, recognizes those defects, and ejects those people from his life!I’ve seen time and time again the people I sent packing (f~~~ off and die) have always found others to tolerate their endless abuses, it’s almost comical!I laugh at people that let others use them over and over like roller towel!Mentally abusive people all seem to have the same traits, their lives are an endless cycle of drama and upheaval.Personally here on MGTOW.COM I’m pretty open and blunt, in real life I don’t raise my voice, I don’t call people names, I don’t create scenes, and I don’t participate in drama at any level, I live in the woods (where I belong), my mind can no longer tolerate the mental overload associated with drama.I get along great with my neighbor, we’re prepers by circumstance as we both see things the same way, we’re prepared to battle any aggressive intruders at a moments notice, we have contingency plans for everything but nuclear war. I even have an old Goreman Rupp fire pump I’m hooking to the brook, once finished, we’ll practice fire drills too.Defending yourself with obsolete Soviet weapons and ammo, who would have thunk it???? Weapons that killed Nazis in WW2 work as good today as they did then! I also have a Soviet cold war night vision. A bunch of cool s~~~ came from the fall of the Soviets. I can’t wait to see the s~~~ that hits the market when the U.S. fails! Tomahawk missiles 500 bucks! I mean 500 rubles…
Nice. I’ll probably be very similar in a few years.
f~~~ it, let everything fall apart. Imo that´s not individualism, that´s plain selfish. No offense!
Individualism & being selfish are definitely not mutually-exclusive. And you’re right, doing “What’s best for MattNYC” is absolutely selfish!
I think my opinion would be different if the US was the land of milk & honey/paradise, that kind of thing, but it’s not. I don’t feel the need to fight and possibly die for a country just because i was born/raised here. Is the US relatively civilized/safe compared to other countries? Sure. But i’ve seen the s~~~ty parts of US society too, i think i’m judging the country fairly, and i’ll give the US about as much loyalty as it’ll give me.
Being relatively (globally) mobile, i have no issue moving to another country that provides a better environment for me to pursue my happiness (profession, hobbies, time kicking back at the beach on occasion, that sort of thing). I’m in NYC now for a few reasons (professional opportunity, social aspects, international flavor) but if things go according to plan i’ll semi-retire to a latin american country in ~10 years – beaches, weather, low cost of living, etc.
Maybe you call it selfish or cowardice; i call it pursuing the life i want. Agree to disagree.
As an Englishman…
You should have a read of ‘The Establishment’ by Owen Jones. He suggests the immigration ‘problem’ is a convenient distraction from criminality at the highest levels in British politics and finance. Never waste a crisis, right?
I think you’ll like it, but it will make you pretty angry (trigger warning, lol)There is a problem with corporations controlling the government to a certain point, but the same people benefit from mass immigration. Also, Owen Jones is a self-hating socialist crackpot.
And to reply to your message about the First World War: I do concede that Britain was worried about the emergence of Germany and wanted to remain the biggest world power. But the war was fought because the Germans violated the Treaty of London from 1839, when they invaded neutral Belgium in order to execute the Schlieffen plan. Britian had vowed to defend Belgium and, being a nation of honour, did exactly that. Obviously none of this would have happened if the Archduke Franz Ferdinand hadn’t been assassinated in Sarajevo, but he was and the armies of both alliances were mobilised. I disagree with your theory that it was about oil, as the British Empire included countries such as Yemen at the time – and if we were so desperate for oil we could have just extended our Empire in the Middle East. But obviously when the war was in full swing, we got involved in the Middle East. But this was to stop the Germans from gaining a foothold there, and to keep the Ottomans at bay. Who knows what would’ve happened if the war hadn’t started for the reasons it did. The expansion of the German Navy was the main reason for British paranoia, as Britain had and needed a strong Navy to support her vast empire. Whereas Germany only had a small empire and not much coastline. So consequently, a large German Navy was looked upon as a luxury rather than a necessity. The Germans admired the British both culturally and economically, as well as militarily. But Kaiser Wilhelm ignored British pleas for mutual cutting of Naval expenditure. That means that something probably would have happened somewhere down the line. But not without the trouble in the Balkans, which effectively caused the whole war.
Thank you for taking time to reply to my point, it was interesting to read and I always enjoy discussing history with people who are opinionated on the subject. Have a nice day and I look forward to hearing from you again.
I think we should just leave this bachelor 4 life guy alone. It seems he doesn’t want to talk and he is being a hypocrite. He accused me of trying to shame him for being a patriot (when I wasn’t) even though he calls guys like us cowards (a word used to shame people). The only reason I’m staying on the thread is to hear what DisillusionedEnglishman and Lucifer have to say to each other.
Anonymous18Yes, I know it doesn’t mention any of this in those history books you read in school, but who is history written by?
Not by holodomor survivors. History books had a chapter diarrhea concerning 10 million Ukrainians.
Western pro-PC historians are – Jokers.
What is it with you, Tiga? In contrast to your previous statements, it seems like it´s bugging you that I have a different opinion. I´d like to ask you where I called anyone personally a coward, but we both know that never happened.
I´ve been polite in everyone of my posts and always referred to the topic. You did not! You made it personal from the start and did try to insult me, what´s obviously in your last post. Don´t get me wrong, I neither feel insulted nor am I mad at you, but I think we´ve got nothing more to talk to each other. So, I´ll leave you alone … with best regards.
IDGAF
What is it with you, Tiga? In contrast to your previous statements, it seems like it´s bugging you that I have a different opinion. I´d like to ask you where I called anyone personally a coward, but we both know that never happened.
I´ve been polite in everyone of my posts and always referred to the topic. You did not! You made it personal from the start and did try to insult me, what´s obviously in your last post. Don´t get me wrong, I neither feel insulted nor am I mad at you, but I think we´ve got nothing more to talk to each other. So, I´ll leave you alone … with best regards.That’s a lie. I only have a problem with hypocrisy. I will explain this in case their is anyone else (probably isn’t) reading this. You called people who want to leave their country cowards. You called my viewpoint selfish (without knowing much about it). When I said patriotism isn’t an excuse to stay in a country you became offended made up some bull s~~~ about a “passive agressive” tone and said I was shaming you. The only thing that I noticed was that I didn’t say anything like “…but I understand you” or “…but your opinion is okay to. I do not feel the need to constantly reassure other people I am talking to that my opinion doesn’t diminish the value of their own. I don’t do political correctness. Maybe that is you problem, maybe not it’s kind of hard to tell.
I’m not mad and I’m still open to discussion because I like challenging my views. If your open to challenging your’s, this discussion can continue. I’m also fine with dropping it.
he calls guys like us cowards (a word used to shame people)
Hey @TigaKurisu, yeah he was painting with a pretty broad brush.
Regardless, there’s some great opinions & discussion in this thread – one guy throwing shaming language at me is more comical than anything.
Out of curiosity – any reason you haven’t considered leaving the US behind? (Think you mentioned that elsewhere in this thread, but now i can’t find the original comment?) I’ve always loved traveling, so living somewhere else for months or years seems like the next logical step for me. But always interested in others’ opinions.
Anonymous42I will explain this in case their is anyone else (probably isn’t) reading this.
There’s always somebody listening……
I’m only patriotic with other “constitutional” conservatives, their a dying breed only because the waters a so foul with socialists that p~~~ in the stream of law. I consider myself a nation of one, I lost my country to the corruption of law.
I have no ties of loyalty to this now corrupt hive of parasites that continue to devour it’s carcass like an infestation of maggots!
Therefore, to ask me to defend this nation is to place the value of my life beneath that of a maggot!!!
When I see politicians families suffer bad economics, poor education, and spill their blood on the battlefield, perhaps then a may raise an eyebrow…….
he calls guys like us cowards (a word used to shame people)
Hey @TigaKurisu, yeah he was painting with a pretty broad brush. <em class=”d4pbbc-italic” i=”ot”>
Regardless, there’s some great opinions & discussion in this thread – one guy throwing shaming language at me is more comical than anything.
Out of curiosity – any reason you haven’t considered leaving the US behind? (Think you mentioned that elsewhere in this thread, but now i can’t find the original comment?) I’ve always loved traveling, so living somewhere else for months or years seems like the next logical step for me. But always interested in others’ opinions.The reason I have no plans to leave the country is because I think the mgtow lifestyle is freeing enough and there is no immediate threat to my wellbeing. That said I have been teaching myself some Japanese (for 3 years now though I’ve taken a break recently), and because of that I am effective at learning a language in case I need to leave for some place else. I’m also interested in traveling but haven’t done any yet. Where have you traveled and what got you interested in it?
I will explain this in case their is anyone else (probably isn’t) reading this.
There’s always somebody listening……
I’m only patriotic with other “constitutional” conservatives, their a dying breed only because the waters a so foul with socialists that p~~~ in the stream of law. I consider myself a nation of one, I lost my country to the corruption of law.
I have no ties of loyalty to this now corrupt hive of parasites that continue to devour it’s carcass like an infestation of maggots!
Therefore, to ask me to defend this nation is to place the value of my life beneath that of a maggot!!!
When I see politicians families suffer bad economics, poor education, and spill their blood on the battlefield, perhaps then a may raise an eyebrow…….Amen. I love the idea of America, but it is not what this country is anymore. Conservatives get upset when I mention that. The founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves. I’d like to see those politicians practice what they preach too. My great-grandfather told me a story about a time he was drafted to fight in WWII. He said they were doing a drill in the water and some of the other drafted guys drowned but the drill leaders let them because the war effort was more important then their individual lives. It’s kind of ironic that of all people, an elderly veteran, helped pass on some anti authoritarian views in me.
Thanks for mentioning somebody is always listening. Sometimes I foolishly assume I’m the only guy who likes to follow other people’s online debates.
This is the way the globalist controllers have devised to destroy white socieities, but not because they are white, but because they are simply NOT theocracies. The powers that be love islam as a tool of totalitrianism. Europe will be under shariah law in 30 years if they allow this to continue at the current pace.
This reminds me of when I read Japan’s history. They allowed western thought into the country, in the 19th century I think, and then freaked out when they noticed individualism leads to people growing a mind of their own. By the 1940’s, they turned individualism into nationalism, murdered the freethinkers, and had the rest of the people willing to blow themselves up for the emperor. The globalist must be like the old Japanese government, trying to fix the “mistake” that arose in the Renaissance, individualism.
The globalist must be like the old Japanese government, trying to fix the “mistake” that arose in the Renaissance, individualism.
Individualism arose much earlier but never had enough momentum to continue due to poor means of communication and so was rapidly put down. It finally broke through in the Renaissance due to the invention of the printing press. It never died since, it just moved its home from country to country.
I’m quite sure it’s impossible to fully extinguish it again and have a new full blown “Dark Age”, but what I’m not sure of is if it’s going to leave it’s current residence in The West, and if so, where will it go?Some really smart industrialist better get busy building us space ships, and fast! (This last part was the not-so-serious part)
The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!
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