The Paradox of Female Attraction

[Darth SinParticipant 576]

Paradox of Female Attraction :- You can either love women or understand them. It is extremely difficult if not impossible to do both.

I am of the opinion that the typical love that men have for women has very strong religious vibe or feel to it.

In religion, you prostate and submit yourself to the mercy and whim of this supposed divine figure who can be cruel but might still accept you for what you are. You perform many rituals to try and gain the favor of a deity, mainly to be in heaven after you die. You also follow scriptures and writings on how to appease the deity. However, the real reason you believe is that in your mind, without the deity, the ritual, the cult, you feel very lonely and lost.

In romantic love, the man prostates and submits himself to the whim and the mercy of the woman, whom he views has a goddess that can be cruel and evil but will accept him and embrace him as he is. He performs many rituals to try and gain the favor of the goddess, from dating to sex which is a metaphor for the worshiper communing with his goddess in private for a taste of heavenly nirvana to getting down on one knee and presenting her with a ring which is synonymous with a lowly mortal presenting his goddess his binding chain as a symbol of his eternal submission. Men also sometimes read up on and follow certain How To books and learn Game to appease the women goddess. Nonetheless, the real reason the man does these things is that in his mind, his identity is defined by the validation and approval meted out by the goddess. If the goddess is not real or not what society hypes her up to be, he is forced to confront the reality that he lives in, a reality which consists of self interest, solitude, nihilism and death.

In this sense, MGTOW does to the female goddess what Science does to the divine metaphysical deity. It destroys the illusion, the myth, the fakery, the lies, the mystique and makes you confront the reality.

Instead of looking at the thunderstorms & lightning as a creation of Zeus or Thor or Indra, we now know that is due to a combination of static charge and process of evaporation and condensation of water. Instead of looking at the sunrise and sunset as an act of Helios or Amun Ra or Surya, we now know that the sun rises and the sun sets due to the heliocentric model of the universe and that the Earth spins on its own axis at a certain angle.

Instead of looking at women and seeing the cute adorkableness or the snow queen exterior masking a feminine interior or looking at her actions as being obfuscating or having a certain mystique…We now know better…We know know that she is merely a human female…Who is hypergamous, who practices a dual reproductive strategy popularly known as Alpha F~~~s, Beta Bucks, who can be neotenous and have little to no agency, who is very cunning and emotionally manipulative, who s~~~ tests the opposite sex to determine their viability as reproductive material, who have a very strong in-group preference, who has an apex fallacy when it comes to men or otherwise known as 80/20, who as a collective have a tendency of treating the human male as a mere utility and so on…

Often times we hear men in both the manosphere and in the MGTOW circles make statements like “the magic is lost with women” or “women are not what they used to be” or “the modern women is no longer feminine” or something along these lines…What they should realize that these statements reflect the inevitable and necessary shattering of the illusions and delusions that men have about women due to our biology and social indoctrination…

As such, instead of being depressed or sad or pining for the magic or pining for the days of yore where women were supposedly awesome, understand that the magic was never real to begin with. If the magic was real, it would not be called magic. If the mystique was real, it would be called reality, not mystique. Understand this, internalize this, accept this, and move on with your life…As an enlightened man, as a MGTOW.

Cheers.  😎

[Tom YoungParticipant 48]

Beautifully said Darth Sin. It’s only a shame i can up vote this once. The line that hit home for me was, “Understand that the magic was never real to begin with.” When i was 15-16, dating and women were all i ever had in my mind. Being 5’1 and 180 pounds, you know that didn’t pine out in my favor. It was the summer transitioning between my junior and senior year in high school (age 17) that i told myself i was done trying to please women. I was done trying to change me for them. Sure enough, Sure as hell that summer, i grew from 5’1 to 5’11. 10 inches in 1 summer. Though i never lost weight, i looked completely different, much thinner, weight much more well distributed. And with the mindset that i was done with them, i began getting approached. Not much by any means, but it happened. Guess i left the plantation with impeccable timing. Had i stayed in my archaic mindset for 1 year, just 1 more year, i would not be where i am today.

[AFTParticipant 2722]

In order to be disillusioned, you have to be under an illusion in the first place.  The Red Pill can’t be bargained with or argued against, it’s simply reality, but beware, it can be a very bitter pill, very tough to get used to after the Blue Pill paradigm shatters.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[LiveFreeParticipant 172]

@Darth Sin: That is an excellent opinion piece!

 

You mentioned in your intro that StarDusk personally introduced you to the MGTOW philosophy. How did you take to it when he first mentioned it? What were you like when he first brought it up? I tried introducing MGTOW to a young friend of mine but the blue pill in him is pretty strong. I gave up when he told me that we sometimes have to take risks in life. It was an interesting conversation though. It gave me good insights into the mind of a blue pill man. The male mother need was pretty strong in him.

 

I have personally concluded that you cannot shove the red pill down somebody’s throat. A man needs to be in a particular situation or stage in life that makes him seek out answers and finally find the red pill by himself and then decide to take it. We can only leave red pill information where people (who need it) can find it. It’s entirely up to them to adopt it or reject it. That’s the only natural way to spread the message and help men IMHO.

For every man truly going his own way, some woman, somewhere, has to pay her own way through life.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6406]

understand that the magic was never real to begin with

The muse, the magic called woman. Not unlike the shiny vintage bottle of wine that resides in the well stocked larder of the respectable man.

He dreams, he longs for the taste that will soon grace his table … a glass of nectar fit for the Gods.  As time passes the day arrives and he makes his way down the stairs of his cellar to carefully retrieve his prize possession. He transports the bottle lovingly to his table. Assembled is only the finest crystal glassware.

He opens the bottle and pours a sample lifting the glass and … oh, no

… one sniff and he senses the offensive undesirable smell.  The wine is “corked” and has been for quite some time as it aged in the rack.

What was a jewel in his collection has turned out to be nothing but a quite unpalatable liquid with an odor resembling moldy newspaper or a wet dog.

So it is with woman; as man longs for her prior to real discovery.  Beneath the glittering surface of her artificial charms is the soon to be discovered “corky taste” of her true personality.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Although it is a valid point, I wouldn’t go so far as comparing God to a woman. Like a russian saying says: don’t mistake eggs-n-bacon for God’s gift.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Darth SinParticipant 576]

LiveFree wrote:

@Darth Sin: That is an excellent opinion piece! You mentioned in your intro that StarDusk personally introduced you to the MGTOW philosophy. How did you take to it when he first mentioned it? What were you like when he first brought it up? I tried introducing MGTOW to a young friend of mine but the blue pill in him is pretty strong. I gave up when he told me that we sometimes have to take risks in life. It was an interesting conversation though. It gave me good insights into the mind of a blue pill man. The male mother need was pretty strong in him. I have personally concluded that you cannot shove the red pill down somebody’s throat. A man needs to be in a particular situation or stage in life that makes him seek out answers and finally find the red pill by himself and then decide to take it. We can only leave red pill information where people (who need it) can find it. It’s entirely up to them to adopt it or reject it. That’s the only natural way to spread the message and help men IMHO.

I took to it pretty quickly, within half a year or so. See when Stardusk introduced me to MGTOW, I was in a relations~~~ with a woman in another university. I was in college at the time. When I started learning about MGTOW, I started treating her differently. I no longer cut her slack, especially on what she thinks or self censored my thoughts to make her feel happy. She is a leftist who thinks religion can be reformed and feminism was a good thing and social justice was awesome. I thought that she was full of s~~~ and irrational and when I learned about MGTOW, I did not hold back on what I thought.

So what happened was she left me and just hooked up with another guy who is like her. A feminist leftist mangina. She did not even say that she was breaking up, she just left. Needless to say, her departure solidified my decision to be a full blown MGTOW.

I would say that I am different compared to most men. I am someone who is intellectually curious and will change my mind if presented with sufficient facts. I grew up in a social conservative town near the Malaysian-Singapore border. When I was young, before 18 that is…I was a devout Hindu, someone who listened to parents, homophobic, transphobic, I viewed women as this special goddess, I hated electric cars, I thought social justice was a good thing, I thought feminism was good and I thought religion and science were compatible…

Now, as a 23 year old man…I am a full blown MGTOW and an atheist. I am indifferent but intellectually curious towards homosexuals and transsexuals ( I no longer hate them but I don’t care much for them but I am interested in the scientific explanations of how they come to be).  I view women as a cunning shapeshifting vampiric siren who need to be dealt with using a cold and indifferent Vulcan style logic. I love electric cars like Tesla and would like to get one. I despise social justice after understanding that it is a form of mob rule. I am indifferent to feminism after I understand that feminism is simple female nature turned into a social and political weapon.

So I do not know about this young man you are trying to enlighten or feed the red pill. If he is intellectually curious, he would pick it up quickly and if he is not, he needs to get burned by the gynocentric reality to be awakened. Or there is just no hope for him.

[LiveFreeParticipant 172]

@Darth Sin: Thanks for the reply and the back story of course. Pleased to meet you. I look forward to your posts here.

 

Regarding my young friend, he is not of an intellectual bent. I was concerned for him because he is a very close friend and a genuinely nice guy who gets taken advantage of by both men and women. He recently purchased a second car. He says it’s for a future wife. Can you wrap your head around that? Some men cannot be helped. Even if the guy gets burned, he would beat himself up thinking it was all his fault. Never mind him. I tried.

 

As the high lord of vows of poverty and wallowing in filth and misery would himself say, may the Gods watch over you. Have a nice day 🙂

For every man truly going his own way, some woman, somewhere, has to pay her own way through life.

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

Just my own theories: I think the real paradox of female attraction lies in two simultaneous desires that women have. They both want to A) be desired and B) attract a mate of higher value. This is kind of what makes them crazy.

Darth Sin wrote:

 I would say that I am different compared to most men. I am someone who is intellectually curious and will change my mind if presented with sufficient facts.  

I agree; as a young man, I’ve tried to introduce MGTOW to some of my good friends to mixed results. Most men will accept that women are irrational and difficult, but want to get laid so badly that they’re willing to deal with it. It’s really hard to find people who separate themselves from their opinions enough to give new ideas a chance.

[In Which We ServeParticipant 111]

Good post. It’s interesting that marriage for love (rather than as an economic deal) only really started in the west once traditional religious belief had gone into decline. Instead of looking to God or Jesus Christ or the Virgin Mary or the communion of saints for emotional fulfillment, many people started looking to romantic love to give them the same sense of fulfillment.

However, to me that kind of religious belief was false anyway. It was a kind of idolatry. I still think a kind of religious belief is possible, if one views God as the ultimate creator and sustainer of all there is. The ‘force that through the green fuse drives the flower’, as Dylan Thomas put it. Believing in God as an  old man in the sky who grants us our requests if we’re nice to him -well, that’s idolatry and it’s best that man moves on from that.  In the same way, it’s best that man moves on from the idea of the woman as goddess.

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

Darth Sin wrote:

to getting down on one knee and presenting her with a ring which is synonymous with a lowly mortal presenting his goddess his binding chain as a symbol of his eternal submission.

I thought about the symbolic behind the proposal thing too, great minds think alike I guess :). The man actually puts himself below the woman by kneeling, and what he puts forth is not his personality, not his intellect or anything, it’s just a proof that he can provide for her (i.e. an expensive ring), that he is basically ready to sacrifice a part of himself (or simply himself) in order to satisfy her.

It’s basically, “look, I can give you free stuff and worship you, please bear my children”. Really pathetic when you actually look at it…

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

LiveFree wrote:

A man needs to be in a particular situation or stage in life that makes him seek out answers

That is, usually right after he got f~~~ed over by some woman, usually.

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

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