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Hey guys, this is something I’ve been debating in my head for years. I’ve always been told it’s a “great thing” that women go for personality more while men go more for looks. I’ve been told this so much that it’s shaped my life in countless ways. On the positive end, it’s partly made me a better man by forcing me to break out of my shell during my teen years, become more outgoing, humorous and overall more interesting. There was a quick point of diminishing returns however. More practice lead to no better luck and more frustration. I became somewhat neurotic and schizophrenic during my ex-PUA days. I never thought I was good enough. Not funny enough, not outgoing enough, entertaining enough, not confident enough since results became stagnant. I became immensely good with game and even managed to screw around 50 women in my life (but in the end all women I could have gotten with or without these efforts. I was merely the opportunist trying to PUT myself in more accessible situations with women.) Each time I began hating myself because of these failed results with the girls I considered my equals, I had others around me telling me “see, your lack of confidence is what’s preventing your luck.” This became a big swirling cycle of s~~~ until I finally decided to flush.
My field experience shows one thing. And that is women benefit greatly by the personality narrative. They have men jumping through immense hoops to “figure them out.” Meanwhile, they do ZERO to work on themselves outside of makeup and clothing upgrades. The big ironic secret here is, women don’t go for personality at all. Infact, what they actually go for is a complicated and completely UN-measurable set of algorithms, independent to the individual that could leave them with virtually any male personality under the sun. Yes I said it. She could go from the outgoing guy, to the shy guy, to the thug, to the tech nerd. She will do this while you’re reading a canned book on PUA telling you to “be more c~~~y/funny” or “escalate more.”
What all this fails to take into account, is the unpredictable results of what garnishes female attraction CANNOT be consolidated into any rule or law. It is my belief that women subconsciously know this and nearly conspire to continue this outdated myth that “personality” is key, to continue to perpetuate both the level of hoop jumping, female mind games, and prey on the inevitable male insecurities that are destined to follow (unless the guy is a MGTOW). The word that comes to mind is “swagger,” otherwise known as the void between what you are and what she wants you to be. This all feeds the cuckoldry power that women have over men by thinking there is something each man can do to get her and if he just knew or learned how, he can WIN her. It’s all a lie.The second account of my field experience is that woman actually are more physically motivated than we realize. Most women date men they’re physically attracted to, but in typical female glorification fashion, society is geared towards presenting them as less superficial than men.
Have you ever had a woman truly like you for your personality? Be honest. Even if it was your lips, cheekbones or etc, there was something she found very attractive in you if you had any chance at all. If you think it was your personality that got her, I have a bridge to sell you. The one ten I dated, I was sure I won by game (because she was far out of my league physically, I couldn’t fathom it being my looks.) As I got to know her, she began telling me how handsome I was and alot of the compliments were based on looks. Truth is, even if outsiders wouldn’t understand it, my “look” was her type, along with the other random personality algorithms. The matchup worked purely out of luck. It was none of my doing.How does this apply to MGTOW? I think it’s an essential value of MGTOW. For starters, it emboldens the importance of not only going your way, but also to embrace your personal individualisms. While I’m not one to think all PUA is bad, or in direct opposition to MGTOW principals (I find ROK underlyingly more MGTOW than ever,) I think men in general need to stop perpetuating this myth that you can somehow adopt some sort of control bias on your character obtain the woman of your desires. If every woman wanted a strong, ripped, masculine man, why are artists and band guys desired too? There are so many paradoxes that destroy the narrative that men should even cow tail to the notion that you must learn what women want, when the truest words ever were from your Uncle Harry when he said “women don’t know what the f~~~ they want.”
I think what gives men a bad rap (being purely physically motivated) is actually what makes them superior. Men are predictable in what they want. If we are attracted to a woman, we want them regardless of 95% of personality variables. She doesn’t even need to be particularly intelligent in many cases (think of the prettiest female you can think of and her not understanding the Big Bang Theory.) If she is normal and relatively nice, would you really care? Women on the otherhand will have a man superior to her in appearance, cycling through ideas to woo her and failing only for the scummy drug dealer who repeatedly cheats on her.
My question is pretty open ended here. What are your thoughts on this notion? Would you prefer if women were more openly and objectively physically driven? Would it have eased many of your pre-MGTOW years of banging your head & fists against walls in frustration? Would society be more equal if all men were paired with women of their same level of physical attractiveness? Would it change culture in other ways like eliminating the glorification of social stigmas like “swagger,” “game,” etc… Would it fix relationships between men and women to any degree?
It absolutely exhausts me just thinking about all that.
Even reading your post made me feel dizzy (it’s a very good post btw)
I just can’t be bothered putting any effort in it.
I’m fine with women wanting or not wanting me. That’s their issue not mine.
I’ve simplified my life so much that even my subconscious won’t even bother anymore.
Even Einstein couldn’t figure women out or what they want.
Who am I to try and guess.
All I know is that without women …. life is just fine and dandy in my world.
Women who have fetishes are bunch of retards.
No women
No stress
Equals happiness.Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
Anonymous42This became a big swirling cycle of s~~~ until I finally decided to flush.
By my accounts the swirling cycle of s~~~ has grown to f-5 tornado! I’m on MGTOW mountain looking out over Blue Pill Planes watching it destroying men and sucking up everything they ever worked for while transferring their sovereignty and future earnings over to the state.
There are so many paradoxes that destroy the narrative that men should even cow tail to the notion that you must learn what women want
Hey Zoom, The next quote I pulled off the wall, It popped out of my head within a week or two of signing up here, tell me if we don’t think the same?
You want answers to the multiplex paradox of understanding women? Lets look at the word “understand” or to “stand under”. It’s out of natural order to stand beneath, or “under” a woman. It’s that simple, or do you need more s~~~ dropped on your head? All because you allowed yourself to be manipulated into the wrong position. It’s all about the laws of gravity, position, and s~~~.
I haven’t banged as many women as you but women are rather simple to figure out. They want a Alpha male to bang them until they can’t walk, cater to their every need, pay attention to them all the time and lavish them with luxury and gifts. If they get such a male they proceed to make him a beta and as undate-able as possible to keep him locked into her and out of fear that another women with more SMV will take him away from her. Should she succeed in making him a needy beta she will be disgusted with him and then seek another alpha to then repeat the process. That’s a modern western woman. Easy.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Honestly its just too much stress to chase women, especially PUA. I’ve tried it, and I’m not the kind of guy who can go out and get blown out 100 times so I can bang whatever accepts me.
I find that even just texting them brings back old negative feelings and emotions, because I was always checking my phone for texts and if I never end up getting a reply, it lead me to thinking I’m just not worth it or whatever. I’m finding out that its better to just drop PUA/dating completely.
I’ve lived my entire adolescence trying to mould myself into the perfect puzzle, driven to lose my virginity and at least see what a relationship/love feels like and in the end I found out the reward for all that hard work just isnt worth nearly enough as I thought it was. They’re all meatholes, different but still very much the same.
I’m a MGTOW now, and I’ve never been happier because all you need to be happy is yourself. Live your life to realize your full potential, and you’ll surprise yourself with how far you can go!!!
Brother, we need to stick together.
The big ironic secret here is, women don’t go for personality at all. Infact, what they actually go for is a complicated and completely UN-measurable set of algorithms,
That’s not been my experience at all. My personal observation is that most women follow a few very simple rules of attraction, even if they, themselves aren’t aware of them, can’t articulate them, or refuse to admit they follow them.
One of the strongest and most universal rules is that women want what they think other women want or what they think other women have. If a woman thinks other women are attracted to you, even if she can’t think of a reason why, she will herself be more attracted to you.
Briffault’s Law
The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.
Women go for usefulness. If they can’t see you as useful, you are worthless. You are not a human being to a woman. You are a tool for their narcissism.
If you put people on the old scale of 1 to 10 based on looks, women always get less attractive when their personality comes into play. And the hotter the girl, the worse the level of narcissism, which is the main unattractive feature. I’ve termed that the “Cumulative Underage for Narcissist Traits”, or C~~~ for short. The hotter the woman, the bigger the C~~~. A 10 will have C~~~ of 8, bringing her down to a 2. If she’s like a 7 hot, she’ll have a smaller C~~~, but still probably a 5, which brings her down to a 2. Even a 4 will still have a C~~~ of about 2, which brings her down to a 2.
Guys, on the other hand, get better when personality is brought into the equation. We have to have enough skill to hold down a job, we have hobbies that are of interest to us, and we have to know enough about the Kardashians to at least know which one is Kim if we ever want to get laid. So, we have a “Developed Intelligence of Common Knowledge”, or a DICK. And the less attractive you are, the bigger DICK you need to get laid. So, a guy can be a 4 looks, but have a 5 DICK and become a 9. Remember, the bigger the DICK, the more attractive you are.
I’m guessing I’m about a 5 looks with a size 4 DICK. That makes me a 9. Now, why would a 9 date a 2? They are all universally not good enough for me.
I think that’s what you’re saying, right?
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I should have added to the last post that the more money you have, the bigger your DICK gets. It must be that your wallet pushes your pelvis forward and makes your DICK at least appear larger. Either way, it seems to attract women.
Also, for the math people out there you will notice that the C~~~ always makes the woman less attractive, and always brings her down to a 2. So, someone may ask, what about a girl that’s a 1 in attraction? My answer to that is, who gives a f~~~? She’s ugly as hell!!
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I don’t need to know what women want, as I don’t plan on changing to be more like what she describes as attractive. Even if I were to be in some situation where I do want to please her in some way, it’s not for me to figure out, it’s on her to tell me what she wants. Of course, it’s a distinct possibility that I don’t want to make a change, or that changing could actually decrease my attractiveness to her.
Ok. Then do it.
All good responses so far.
What made this a topic worst discussing is the paradox of women getting some inherent praise for having an eye on “personality,” when in ironic fashion, that is what makes them more superficial to begin with for the sheer factor that personality is being flagrantly misused to loosely encompass anything and everything they want feel and respond to at any given moment in their every changing mood environment.
To me, the gender that can isolate one trait and be accepting of the pool of candidates with relative ease is the less superficial gender.
Hell, I am 5’7 and when I meet a girl that “goes for tall guys,” I support that s~~~. Usually that’s the girl who will find a tall guy, swoon over him and figure out a way to see the best in him and most likely evolve to appreciate him since she’s into his look. I’ve seen them do it even if the guy has zero to say.
White women attracted to black men.. Boom. There ya have it again. It usually doesn’t take an army of black men for her to pick one and move the f~~~ onto the next phase of pair bonding.
The 2 women above are acting upon attraction in a male approach. These relationships from my observations actually tend to be the longest lasting. They’re also exceptions. Most women do not act this predictably as stated before.
It’s not till I see women hunting for “funny, outgoing, charismatic, swagger, ‘confidence’, etc” (things that sound good on paoer) that the Pandora’s box cracks open and all the unreliable flood gates of hell break loose, creating mental havoc for the men dealing with them.
Has anyone else had the experience that these women seeking [first in with canned personality traits] are the absolute worse to deal with?
I’ll argue that if you’re going to deal with women at all (in my case, commitment free f~~~ing), you’d be better off cutting all the bulls~~~ and just finding one that thinks you’re hot in my experiences. These are the types of women that seem to think you s~~~ butterflies no matter what you do when you’re “their type”. Infact, I’d even take it to an extreme… Be the guy that downplays your qualities. When you realize the hoops women will jump through when they see what they deem eye candy, you realize how pathetic any other efforts really are.
“Personality”is female code word for you’ll never be enough. These are the women that cannot settle on any one trait alone and need the sun and the moon. Run. Find a chick that’s predictable in what attracts her (the way that men operate).
zoom66, the best way to deal with women is simple, oh so very simple.
BRING UP THE WALL OF SILENCE!!!
Get them out of your life completely, seriously, im not trying to be hostile to you, you´re new to mgtow but women aka vagina IS THE MOST ADDICTIVE DRUG THERE IS.
I know it seems an over the top solution, but my best advice to you is to go full on monk mode, and then let go and go ghost.
Seriously, i found a really good trick to clear your mind before engaging with a woman you find atractive on a date.
Put on your best porn, and cum until you’re exhausted.
Seriously, when you DONT WANT TO F~~~ A WOMAN you see here in a WHOLE NEW WAY.You dont put up with bulls~~~, neediness, and all that crap that women put you through in dates.
Seriously, you´re mind is hardwired to do ANYTHING to be able to put sperm in here vagina.
When you take away that primal motivation, you can think rationaly and you get the moment of clarity when you realizeWHY THE F~~~ DO I NEED TO PUT UP WITH THIS BULLS~~~?
FOR SEX? F~~~ YOU!! I CAN TAKE CARE OF MY SEX DRIVE ALONE,
I DONT NEED A WET HOLE TO CUM INTO!!!Seriously my friend, you still have a long way to go, most men aka blue pill men never brake the pussy adiction, but keep it a a goal in your mind.
Believe me hellraider.. I long for the point where mother nature dessimates my libido with old age. Hell I’ve even thought of going for high doses of zoloft for the (“unfortunate”) side effect of loss of sex drive. I’ve practiced celibacy even on a masturbatory level with pathetic discipline. Unfortunately I deal with some gene that has lead me to diagnosed sex addiction that has resulted in mostly thoughts rather than me giving into those impulses. (It must run in my father considering my father was a sex addict as well). Even so, I don’t believe any of that is an excuse. I’m constantly inspired my soldiers, artists, entrepreneurs, and it becomes clear that controlling the mind has been done on levels beyond what I can fathom.
Even so I try sever that last remaining part of the female utility. I’ve made major leaps and bounds by forgoing the choice of parenthood as well as marriage. I’ll never sign up for either.
I view sex stronger than me a the moment. I even purchased a fleshlight to help me get through some remaining weeks of Healthcare research courses. It’s bad but I think steps will be made in the weaning process gradually over time. Unfortunately my underlying depression goes into overdrive when I wean off suddenly which puts a few important life situations at risk, but your advice is still well founded.
zoom66, my friend, im only 35 and your fleshlight is your best friend…
Besides, in a couple of years you can buy a scarlett johansenn look alike fembot.
Then you can f~~~ your fembot twice a day on weekdays and 3 times a day on saturdays and sundays.
Heck, have sex with the fembot 5 times a day on your vacations, as the old saying goes JUST DO IT…
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