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It is a shame that many young men go through so much pain and suffering. They start in their teens and it goes on in their 20’s, 30’s and beyond. They suffer because they feel like their lives are meaningless if they 1. do not have a girlfriend 2. have no luck at all in ever getting a girlfriend 3. don’t have any women who ever show any interest in them. They see all these cute, adorable girls and they imagine them to be such perfect creatures. They imagine that if they had one of these girls that loved and adored them……..their lives would be 100% happy and complete. They feel that the one and only thing missing in their lives is a loving girlfriend. Not necessarily sex (although that does play into it a bit), but a loving girlfriend.
It came out today that the guy in Oregon had a manifesto. He described his anger, sadness, and bitterness of not having a girlfriend. Same thing with Elliot Roger. Remember him?
While I think that people like the Oregon guy and Elliot Roger are f~~~ing evil and should never have been born……….you have to stop and think about all the guys out there who are suffering. Guys who would never harm a fly………but they are suffering inside. They are suffering because they do not get the female attention that they so desperately crave.
Why do we do that to ourselves? For years I self medicated with alcohol because of the fact that women had zero interest in me. Yes, I blame it ALL on the fact that women didn’t give me the time of day. You can disagree with me if you like, but I know in my heart that this is the honest truth, at least in my case.
I no longer worry in the least about women. I have not had a sip of alcohol in years. I am happy and at peace for once in my life. I think it’s because I do not view women as creatures that are worthy of my love, attention, and caring. Not one f~~~ should be given about women. I say this because, thanks to MGTOW, I know what women are all about now.
Too bad guys have to suffer for so long before (if they ever) go MGTOW and finally experience peace in their lives.
Women are parasites. Each and every last one of them.
Anonymous18Quite frankly guys like that can suffer all they want. I couldn’t get myself to care for them. Edit: I re-read your post and I’d say what I am saying can be taken personally. I am not saying I am any better than you or anyone else who felt the need to be with a woman so much so as to feel down about it. I just never have been a woman-praiser type (with one exception). So please apologies in advance if I am coming across like an asshole.
It’s a narrative. To paint young men. Where and how it arose I don’t know. But of the dozen or so guys I know within the age group 16-25, not one is yearning of female attention. At the very least not in a way it makes them seem desperate or chronically depressed. Sure these guys will comment on women, sex, porn, and other sexually charged topics.
It can be argued that our society promotes men to suffer in silence; it’s true to an extent when a woman rips through a man’s heart. I wholeheartedly feel that man’s pain and lack of outlets he can pursue to share his experience and seek help.
But for an otherwise healthy single guy who in my mind should be pursuing academics, sports, career/apprenticeship/job, travel, hobbies, gym, among everything else that is available to a male in western society. For all the privileges and resources the young man decides to suffer because of lack of gf or lack of sex is beyond me. I don’t believe for a second that a man who has decent social skills and goes out and is just average Joe … that he can go without companionship for years given he is looking to find a woman.
It is just a stupid narrative. Healthy young men crave women attention/sex/companionship/love … SURE. But the lack of it is simply replaced with a few dozen things that a man can spend his time on. I know because I did that when I was in my teens and early 20s.
To go with this line of thought that lack of a gf or companionship = suffering, then there is not much to be won by the man in question in life. Because everything that is considered good takes work. And if he doesn’t have a woman to love him, and he so desperately wants that, he is not working hard enough. Whether it is getting ripped at the gym, working long hours to afford car, clothes, whatever have you to attract a woman. It’s not right but thats how the game is played. Having a girlfriend that is within his league is anything but a challenge. Young men’s suffering because lack of a gf is a myth, or there is underlying personality disorder.
Nothing personal brother, I am not arguing these point against your post. Just what I feel about the issue.
I’m gonna have to disagree, iLearn. But hey, you have the right to your opinion. You formed this opinion based on your own life experiences. As I based my opinion on my life experiences.
Women are parasites. Each and every last one of them.
Anonymous18I’m gonna have to disagree, iLearn. But hey, you have the right to your opinion. You formed this opinion based on your own life experiences. As I based my opinion on my life experiences.
Sweet brother. It’s good to disagree. Thanks, I edited my post a bit.
Its always good to see uplifting stories such as this
I was like that but I could proudly say that it never got to the point where I extremely crave them however after finding the way of the MGTOW – it changed my perspective.
Hats off to the guys who made this forum happen.
Don't let defeat, defeat you; Let defeat be your greatest teacher.
Honestly, I’d rather take not having any intimacy etc with women for the rest of my life than go through what some of the older MGTOW have.
Sure… having that perfect submissive busty redhead would be great, but she’d be nowhere near the same level as having a fulfilling life and having the knowledge MGTOW gives.
I choose the red pill 🙂
"You can suffer from a life experience, or you can learn, move on and thrive."It comes down to the age-old question…Is it better to have loved and lost than never to love at all?
Ask the guys who have been raked over the coals by a hypergamous ingrate if it’s better to have loved and lost.
Never to love at all…meh, you really ain’t missing much.
You know, I personally believe it’s all the propaganda they feed us with from the age we barely can walk. Parents, relatives, teachers, peers and society in general is promoting a picture of pair bonding as the meaning of life itself, over and over, day after day, year after year in the most sensitive part of your life as you (or rather they) form the foundation of your very personality. Of course that abuse leave marks that will take incredibly long time to get over! When faced with the cognitive dissonance of females that has been portraited as your lifes goal and almost higher beings acting without any checks and balance at all, then the confusion is complete and ready to walk hand in hand with the already existing frustration.
I believe the whole deal boils down to being raised and told the world is something it isn’t, and probably never was, not in a natural state at least. It’s all just lies, plain and simple. But having been told for so long, we refuse to believe our own eyes over the conditioning we have been subjected to. THIS is the root of all problems in the realms of gynocentrism, relations~~~s, manosphere, whatever, and we see it even here, the efforts of blaming feminism for the genuine female nature, to desperately find a loophole, to fool oneself that women DO have a value beyond reproduction; “if we just remove feminism it will be ok, then they can be what I was told they are like”.
It is a shame that many young men go through so much pain and suffering. They start in their teens and it goes on in their 20’s, 30’s and beyond. They suffer because they feel like their lives are meaningless if they 1. do not have a girlfriend 2. have no luck at all in ever getting a girlfriend 3. don’t have any women who ever show any interest in them. They see all these cute, adorable girls and they imagine them to be such perfect creatures. They imagine that if they had one of these girls that loved and adored them……..their lives would be 100% happy and complete. They feel that the one and only thing missing in their lives is a loving girlfriend. Not necessarily sex (although that does play into it a bit), but a loving girlfriend.
The problem is caused by blue pill men putting these women on a pedestal and believing they are perfect and that their life would be amazing if they had one. The reality is, these women will spend their 20’s slutting it up on the c~~~ carousel f~~~ing Alpha’s who don’t give a s~~~ about them.
These Alpha men are cookie cutter and all look the same. They all have the same hipster haircut, facial hair, whitened teeth, jeans a size too small, pointy shoes, tight shirt and suit jacket with a pocket square. They have that over over confidence, fuelled by the fact they know they are in the exclusive 20% club and are able to f~~~ all the hot 20 something women with little effort. They are however, smart enough to realise that you never marry any of these women.
So the Blue pill male spends his 20’s either single or getting the occasional scraps the Alphas don’t want. He does however spend his time getting a good job and accruing assets and money. The party cannot last forever for the cute, adorable girls and once they reach their early 30’s they start to get thrown off the carousel for the younger and hotter girls coming along. Now these women have a problem, they spent all of their 20’s running up debt and partying and have no money or resources to show for it.
The women hitting the wall start to panic and latch onto the first blue pill man who comes along with a decent job and house. The blue pill man thinks he has finally won and believes society lies that these women had to date all these bastards to realise what they really wanted. In reality the blue pill man has just paid full retail for a used up pussy rejected by the Alphas who she gave it to for free.
So they have the stupidly expensive wedding, buy a bigger house and have the 2 children. The woman starts to reach her late 30’s and has a major midlife crisis. She is now rapidly starting to lose the remaining looks she has, and as she is defined by her Sexual Market Value she is worried about becoming anonymous, and in her mind worthless.
So she starts to look for attention from men again and she easily finds it. She loves how it makes her feel so she suddenly decides she “isn’t happy”, or “needs space” or “I love you, i’m just not in love with you”. All of these are just excuses as she is desperate for the excitement of the c~~~ carousel one more time.
She divorces the blue pill male, keeps the house and most of his money. This is when the real pain and suffering occurs.
For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
When I was in my teens and early twenties, I’d have sold my gramma’s gravestone to get laid. (Granny wasn’t dead yet, but you get the idea.) I did get laid (not as often as I wanted but some), but (there’s always a ‘but’) I was getting burned far out of proportion from the bit of fun on Saturday night. The cost/benefit ratio was decidedly against me. Thus, I began taking red pills.
Go to a pickup bar, get accused of rape like that football QB in another thread.
Actually succeed in picking up some chick, risk an STD or STI or both. (Yep, it happened to me and more than once before I wised up. Thank God for modern antibiotics!)
What do you have to show for it when the cold light of Monday’s dawn rolls around?
* An empty wallet.
* A cough and runny nose from all that smoke in those bars.
* A ringing in the ears from all that noise in those bars.
* A sore throat from the shouting necessary to be heard over all that noise plus breathing all that smoke.
* An odd urge to tell oneself that “I had fun this weekend.”When the dawn brought the revelation that I did not have much fun (STDs aside), that is when I grabbed the red pill prescription and stuck with it.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
If Elliot Roger found MGTOW there would be a good chance he would reconsider his actions. Possibly he could have gotten the help he needed if he stopped obsessing over stupid bulls~~~. He just might have talked to someone who could have helped him or even recovered on his own.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
Anonymous18It is a shame that many young men go through so much pain and suffering. They start in their teens and it goes on in their 20’s, 30’s and beyond. They suffer because they feel like their lives are meaningless if they 1. do not have a girlfriend 2. have no luck at all in ever getting a girlfriend 3. don’t have any women who ever show any interest in them. They see all these cute, adorable girls and they imagine them to be such perfect creatures. They imagine that if they had one of these girls that loved and adored them……..their lives would be 100% happy and complete. They feel that the one and only thing missing in their lives is a loving girlfriend. Not necessarily sex (although that does play into it a bit), but a loving girlfriend.
The problem is caused by blue pill men putting these women on a pedestal and believing they are perfect and that their life would be amazing if they had one. The reality is, these women will spend their 20’s slutting it up on the c~~~ carousel f~~~ing Alpha’s who don’t give a s~~~ about them.
These Alpha men are cookie cutter and all look the same. They all have the same hipster haircut, facial hair, whitened teeth, jeans a size too small, pointy shoes, tight shirt and suit jacket with a pocket square. They have that over over confidence, fuelled by the fact they know they are in the exclusive 20% club and are able to f~~~ all the hot 20 something women with little effort. They are however, smart enough to realise that you never marry any of these women.
So the Blue pill male spends his 20’s either single or getting the occasional scraps the Alphas don’t want. He does however spend his time getting a good job and accruing assets and money. The party cannot last forever for the cute, adorable girls and once they reach their early 30’s they start to get thrown off the carousel for the younger and hotter girls coming along. Now these women have a problem, they spent all of their 20’s running up debt and partying and have no money or resources to show for it.
The women hitting the wall start to panic and latch onto the first blue pill man who comes along with a decent job and house. The blue pill man thinks he has finally won and believes society lies that these women had to date all these bastards to realise what they really wanted. In reality the blue pill man has just paid full retail for a used up pussy rejected by the Alphas who she gave it to for free.
So they have the stupidly expensive wedding, buy a bigger house and have the 2 children. The woman starts to reach her late 30’s and has a major midlife crisis. She is now rapidly starting to lose the remaining looks she has, and as she is defined by her Sexual Market Value she is worried about becoming anonymous, and in her mind worthless.
So she starts to look for attention from men again and she easily finds it. She loves how it makes her feel so she suddenly decides she “isn’t happy”, or “needs space” or “I love you, i’m just not in love with you”. All of these are just excuses as she is desperate for the excitement of the c~~~ carousel one more time.
She divorces the blue pill male, keeps the house and most of his money. This is when the real pain and suffering occurs.What the grandchildren of current blue pilled cuckold men will read in history class, year 2030.
History of Men’s Liberation. It all started when a blue pill man realized a drive by himself in peace to nowhere in middle of the night had a feeling a 2.5 x 5 inch lubricated orifice didn’t. He felt free. And lived happily ever after. (Advanced course will show he got f~~~ed by the ex wife and divorce lawyers before he got to happy ever after part).
Anonymous5They see all these cute, adorable girls and they imagine them to be such perfect creatures. They imagine that if they had one of these girls that loved and adored them……..their lives would be 100% happy and complete. They feel that the one and only thing missing in their lives is a loving girlfriend. Not necessarily sex (although that does play into it a bit), but a loving girlfriend.
Yep. this is exactly what males think. Our whole lives are built around the NAWALT myth.
If we don’t get a female, we think we’re missing out on the joys of life, while the joys of life around us are ignored.
When we get a female, we think we’ve just got a “Bad” one,,,or it’s something we’ve done,,,or something we didn’t do.
In a modern world we try many relationships and when they all follow the same script we assume it’s us that’s wrong,,,,not the myth.
Then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you find THE WALL on MGTOW.COM,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hhhhmmmmmmmmm, so that’s what cognitive dissonance is,,,,haha“Honestly, I’d rather take not having any intimacy etc with women for the rest of my life than go through what some of the older MGTOW have.
Sure… having that perfect submissive busty redhead would be great, but she’d be nowhere near the same level as having a fulfilling life and having the knowledge MGTOW gives.
I choose the red pill”F~~~ing brilliant statement! Young mgtow take heed, and that’s coming from an ‘older’ mghow.
"What made you think, there'd be a livin' in sheep?, Eat, Work, Eat Work and Sleep" - Mark Knopfler.
Bigvern,
I’m an older MGTOW and I was almost poisoned to death by my ex over insurance money. When I was younger in the carefree 80’s I was with some rather beautiful women and I’ve discovered the simple equation that has set me free. All roads with women lead to turmoil. I have never experienced an exception to this. At 57 I recently had a 40 year old very attractive lady who I knew as a child friend me on facebook. I thought we were just going to reminisce but 1st sentence was. “I’m in a relationship that I don’t think will work out because he’s really insecure, (I wonder why)”. 3rd sentence. “I really like beer and wine.” 4th sentence, “I’m a really screwed up girl”, 5th sentence. “I’m coming to town soon and would love to get together for sex.” 6th sentence, “Sex always clouds my judgement with men”.Now I’ve been celibate and relationship free for 10 years and as tempting as it is I said. “I have self respect and dignity so I’m going to help you not enter the oxytocin cloud of bad judgement. All friendships with women in relationships are always platonic, and the shortest distance from serenity to turmoil is jumping in the sack with a stranger. Daddy don’t do female induced turmoil anymore. Why would you want to have sex with me when you are in a relationship? I’ve never done that to anyone”… Question unanswered. I am really greatful for this site because I was able to listen to what she actually said and not what I wanted to hear so I had to check in for a massive dose of red pills. These “opportunities” don’t come along very often anymore. I fall quick and hard so I’ve made myself completely emotionally unavailable for the last decade and have had no problems. She has 5 kids mostly grown and a young son at home. Run, do not walk away from women like this and AWALT. MGTOW is my shield.
I’m gonna have to disagree, iLearn. But hey, you have the right to your opinion. You formed this opinion based on your own life experiences. As I based my opinion on my life experiences.
Sweet brother. It’s good to disagree. Thanks, I edited my post a bit.
This is why I enjoy this site so much. Respectful disagreement, no slander, name calling or just all around social media nastiness. Makes me happy to be part of something bigger and better than the rest of society’s paradigms.
It is a shame that many young men go through so much pain and suffering. They start in their teens and it goes on in their 20’s, 30’s and beyond. They suffer because they feel like their lives are meaningless if they 1. do not have a girlfriend 2. have no luck at all in ever getting a girlfriend 3. don’t have any women who ever show any interest in them. They see all these cute, adorable girls and they imagine them to be such perfect creatures. They imagine that if they had one of these girls that loved and adored them……..their lives would be 100% happy and complete. They feel that the one and only thing missing in their lives is a loving girlfriend. Not necessarily sex (although that does play into it a bit), but a loving girlfriend.
Ay-Yai-Yai. You hit a very important topic on the head here my friend.
I have this friend who is a COMPLETE blue-pill. This summer, he nearly committed suicide because a girl he spent $700+ on “as a friend” didn’t want to go out/spend more time with him.
Initially, I felt very bad for him and tried to show him the privileges he enjoys in life- this is an intelligent guy who has done some pretty awesome things in life WITHOUT girls.
But he just KEPT feeling bad and insecure. I remember one of our dinners….we spent an entire hour at a local restaurant and he kept asking the same question “Do you think I’m attractive? Do you think I’m tall enough? Do you think girls like me? I’m not sure I’m worthy enough for girls.”
At the end, I had to let him go from my friend’s circle. I tried to show him that he is very fortunate for everything he has, and that he shouldn’t depend on some extraneous factor like a girl to dictate his life. But he is OBSESSED with what girls think about his attractiveness level (these are girls he has never spoken to or even met by the way).
So, pain and suffering, sure. But I’m with @iLearn on this. Let him suffer all he wants. I tried to pull him out of this downward spiral, but he doesn’t listen.
I can attest that’s what today’s generation of guys goes through. I work at a college and more and more young men are turning away from girls because of the emotional heart break they’re already going through with either trying to please them or chasing them. I hear more guys talk about the pain of relationships than girls. That should say something
Honestly I don’t get it myself either that why everything that men does has to biol down to women.. I’m 28 straight guy and i haven’t even kissed a girl, to be frank not even hold hands, not because of tradition or religion its simply because i don’t trust them and i disliked their nature so so much that i didn’t want get involved with them even to fulfill my biological needs.. i would rather trust my two functional hands to satisfy myself than a open wound that bleeds every month.. Almost all of my friends called me a monster cause i disliked women but i never cared and most of them are now married and they’ve already started to realize what i have said about women all these years are true, but anyway they are all now trapped and they do know it themselves but simply because of society they pretend they are in love with the marriage life.
Guys you can get life lessons in two ways:- Learn from your mistakes or Learn from others mistakes!
@Won’tGetFooledAgain .. Brother ! You’ve summed up the life cycle of a woman very well.!
For guys today, I can say one thing for sure. Be careful who you love. So many girls are cruel wenches now and they don’t care if they destroy a guy because they have no conscience or moral compass. They just walk away without caring, or even thinking about it at all.
History of Men’s Liberation. It all started when a blue pill man realized a drive by himself in peace to nowhere in middle of the night had a feeling a 2.5 x 5 inch lubricated orifice didn’t. He felt free. And lived happily ever after. (Advanced course will show he got f~~~ed by the ex wife and divorce lawyers before he got to happy ever after part).
Yup. I’ve done that too. I call it ‘the night I cruised till the tires fell off’. Driving up in the country at 1 AM. Didn’t know where I was going, just drove into the unknown, almost no lights, completely serene and perfect for contemplation. I returned to the city and drove around for a while. The streets were completely empty. It was just after 3AM when I finally decided to call it quits. But it was one of the most memorable times I’ve ever had in my life and I’m definitely going to do it again in the future, except I’m going to go even further than I did last time.
Way better than any snatch could ever hope to be.
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