The nuclear family is bulls~~~.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Powered by post-WWII spending, television and mass media, and a need to power the engines of commerce, a myth of the nuclear family saving western civilization was born. It is pure bulls~~~.  The idea is take a single man and woman, have the man go out alone and work, the wife stay home, and they raise kids, send them to public schools and keep up with the Joneses.  Have them live in things like farms (suburban houses mass produced) without any economic value, and they will keep things going.  Then have them send the grandparents away as they produce everymore.   Get them to buy, buy, buy, and the couple will hold things together.  The have PTA and some civics to look presentable, and church to take care of loose ends, and have them look presentable also that way.  Get the government back mortgage and so on, and you are set. All it takes is one man and a woman to raise kids, and we will be fine.

Well, the 60s hit, complete with liberation for all (or some).  The woman went out of the home to work, and families with two incomes got ahead more.  And then it was have the divorce happen, and accelerate to where we are today.  The traditional marriage is practically dead, but held up by some politicians and tradcons as the savior of western civilization.  Just make it more so, and will be fine.  We just need to find some NAWALTs for the men, and it will be ok.  Just hang on guys.

Somewhere along the line, your extended family just became a hobby and a social respectable thing, not really relevant, and with that, additional support for families went by the wayside.  Oh, there is the nagging, “Get some grandkids!  I deserve grandkids! Don’t you love me?  Get me grandkids!”  It is like this is supposed to be the top hobby for seniors, to have the grandkids so they can spoil on them.  But it not of help or necessity, just something nice.

I would argue that the decline of the extended family is where tradcons may want to look to, to rant.  But, the nuclear family? It is bulls~~~ that can’t stand up to the state of the world.  I don’t believe it ever did, and with globalization, not a chance.

Those are my two cents on this.  Tradcons are fighting a losing battle in their wishful thinking.  Things aren’t going to go back to what they were, and they weren’t really that great anyhow.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[iamblichusParticipant 34]

Spot on, I’d say. Also, the extended family would be able to check the couple on their bulls~~~, especially the wife. My mom lived with my dad’s family and my grandmother taught her how to cook. Also, in agrarian societies, women also worked but mostly at home and helping the husband with the harvest. She had way too many kids to fool around and was pregnant most of the time. If a woman isn’t busy raising rugrats or busting her ass with chores or being watched by other older female members of her family, of course she is going to be on some bulls~~~, get bored, dissatisfied, etc. Granted, no one should want to return to that, but the “nuclear family” can’t work for all of the reasons you stated. It’s a hobby where the woman holds all the power.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

The extended family also give a woman a chance to be with other woman, and help offload that demand for attention for woman has.  It also allows men to go off and do their own things to.  But, the way the nuclear family is enshrined as salvation of western civilization, everyone has to be everything and more, or it falls apart.  And they way they sell romance that ties into it is pure bulls~~~ also.  Women are taught to find the man of their dreams and not settle.  They get close and turn him into a Ken doll who is supposed to match what she wants, not who he should be.

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[J.D SilvernailParticipant 383]

My Dad actually believes in the myth of the nuclear family and that it will save America. I think that the Nuclear Family myth caused all of the problems we have today(with regards to feminism). This nuclear family myth has the men working all day and women raising(indoctrinating) the kids. The fathers dont get as much time to raise or spend time with the kids. Im pretty sure that lead to feminism. The first woman who ever tried to manipulate/indoctrinate me was my Mom.

I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

J.D Silvernail wrote:

My Dad actually believes in the myth of the nuclear family and that it will save America. I think that the Nuclear Family myth caused all of the problems we have today(with regards to feminism). This nuclear family myth has the men working all day and women raising(indoctrinating) the kids. The fathers dont get as much time to raise or spend time with the kids. Im pretty sure that lead to feminism. The first woman who ever tried to manipulate/indoctrinate me was my Mom.

People underestimate the stresses of the changes in society are causing, and that somehow, it will work.  You can’t financially afford to live on one income, and the wife is home.  And there is a decline in the middle class, so that presumption is gone.  Without the extended family around also, there is a lack of social connections and support also, and the children have what you said, of merely indoctrinating by the young.  It is also going the way of the unicorn.

There is a fault in tradcon thinking that the past was ALWAYS better and some sort of utopia.  Maybe it was better in some ways, but to the extent they wish it was.  It ends up being more of a disempowering rationalization they rely on, that politicians play on these individuals to get elected.  The politician acts like they are with you, and support you and your values, but don’t do anything to help you.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[narwhalParticipant]

I have a slightly different take I think.  I think a tradcon marriage could work, if it’s done in an envrionment where the options for breaking the marraige are limited and/or rather painful.  There countries and communities where there are no great benefits to divorce, where the locals shun those who divorce…tradcon can thrive.  There are still pockets in America where that’s the case, particularly religious communities.

The reality for most in the western world is…divorce is a very viable option (especially for the female).  There is no longer any shame in divorce.  It has no teeth.  Therefore, it is very difficult for a marriage to survive the inevitable rough patches.

Of course there are a lot of other contributing factors, but to me, that’s the biggest.

I agree that you can’t go backwards and rebuild the environment where tradcons can thrive.  I don’t know what sort of arraignment is the best given todays environment….other then MGTOW.

Ok. Then do it.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Tradcon marriage worked in America, when it didn’t face globalization at all, and one income was all that was needed to work.  But then, there was two incomes coming in, which meant more people int he workforce competing for the same jobs, which helped to suppress wages.  An entire society has to be structured to support the tradcon nuclear family, or it doesn’t work.  Globalization even makes it more difficult.  The moment the man and woman are working,  and each bring money in to make it, the pattern of tradcon marriage stops working.  No matter how much one wants to say that they are in it together, the moment you earn money from a job, you feel it is yours.

There are just too many pressures today to make it work.  And I am seeing this more. I used to hold out delusions somehow I could be the entrepreneur and had a wife that worked a regular job why I try to make it big.  But seeing how hypergamy works, that isn’t really likely at all.  I am seeing the odds are more I am like I am now, with one or more additional mouths to feed.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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