The nature of evil

[Anonymous 3]

Relating to the thread of “Devil’s juice”, I wanted to explore a bit about the nature of evil.

I had some experience with a real “dark side” organization (dont ask). The popular ideas about evil are wrong and simply to innocent.

Our concepts are that “those” people are bad, worship the devil and demons, and want to do bad things. In opposition “holy people” are good, worship God and angels, and want to do good things.

But, even if I didn’t have knowledge of the REAL inner workings of this organization (thank God), my experience was totally different and a lot more scary. One thing that stays we me is their warning: beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing, it is the whitest person with the most holy words that will bring evil. That was why I was with them, they appeared to be so good and knowledgeable. In hindsight I guess they where saying everything clearly, I was the one deceiving myself.

In other words, evil is deception: deception of others and self-deception.

It is said that the greatest trick of the devil is to pretend it doesn’t exist. It would be simple for anyone to avoid evil if it shows itself for what it is.

But real evil does not show itself as evil. It takes the most acceptable shape and takes the pretext of doing good, while in the end it is self-serving at the sacrifice of others. I would say evil people do not even know they are evil, because they use so much deception that they even deceive themselves. It takes someone that is removed from the cloud of deception, to see things for what they are: evil.

An good example of this is found in WWII. Where did they find all those evil guards for the concentration camps? The answer is that they where normal people, that with twisted logic found themselves doing what everyone would think is evil, unless you where Nazi. To a Nazi they where doing good.

All of us are in some measure guilty of deception. But this is a clear characteristic of the female nature. Women are prone to lack of empathy in conjunction with lack of logic, and very easily justify self-serving actions.

Women are deceivers by nature. I am not saying they are evil, but certainly are more prone to do things, that anyone detached from their web of justifications, would classify as evil. Killing a baby would be evil by any account, except if you call it “abortion” and say you have a choice about your body.

And that my friends is the strength and weakness of women: their justifications. Their words have the magic property of manipulating others.

Indeed listening to women is as dangerous as Argonauts listening to mermaids singing.

We cannot reason, argue or even consider any argument a woman makes. We are already lost at this point. We HAVE to look at what is not being said, like a chess play where we must consider the previous and following moves to understand that single play.

Talking to a women is like performing an exorcism. We have to know when the devil is speaking or the little kid, and we certainly cannot believe the devil. And there is a good chance of them throwing up on you.
And you can lose your soul…

Obviously I am kidding here, women are not evil. There is absolutely nothing wrong in lowering you guard and accept everything a woman says… /sarc

[RoyDalParticipant]

Hitler himself did not think of himself as evil. He thought he was doing a good thing. Most evil people are banal people, except for the bits about giant wars and mass murders of course. Other than that, they are banal to the max.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

As long as we L.I.V.E, we are E.V.I.L

To live we have to consume resource, life and space that other living beings need too.

Without being evil, we cannot survive, because there will be no self preservation. We can only choose to be less evil, to be without evil, we will starved to death.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[AragornParticipant 277]

You pretty much nailed it, ZenState!
All evil is parasitic by nature. Good doesn’t need evil but evil needs good to exist.

(…)

Let me please introduce myself
I’m a (wo-)man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reached Bombay
(Woo woo, who who)

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
(Who who)
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
(Who who, who who)

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what’s confusing you
Is just the nature of my game
(Woo woo, who who)

If you change the rules on what controls you, you will change the rules on what you can control

[AragornParticipant 277]

The lady of the lake (and her white knight): our MGTOW ancestors knew already what they were dealing with…

La Belle Dame sans Merci: A Ballad By John Keats

O what can ail thee, knight-at-arms,
Alone and palely loitering?
The sedge has withered from the lake,
And no birds sing.

O what can ail thee, knight-at-arms,
So haggard and so woe-begone?
The squirrel’s granary is full,
And the harvest’s done.

I see a lily on thy brow,
With anguish moist and fever-dew,
And on thy cheeks a fading rose
Fast withereth too.

I met a lady in the meads,
Full beautiful—a faery’s child,
Her hair was long, her foot was light,
And her eyes were wild.

I made a garland for her head,
And bracelets too, and fragrant zone;
She looked at me as she did love,
And made sweet moan

I set her on my pacing steed,
And nothing else saw all day long,
For sidelong would she bend, and sing
A faery’s song.

She found me roots of relish sweet,
And honey wild, and manna-dew,
And sure in language strange she said—
‘I love thee true’.

She took me to her Elfin grot,
And there she wept and sighed full sore,
And there I shut her wild wild eyes
With kisses four.

And there she lullèd me asleep,
And there I dreamed—Ah! woe betide!—
The latest dream I ever dreamt
On the cold hill side.

I saw pale kings and princes too,
Pale warriors, death-pale were they all;
They cried—‘La Belle Dame sans Merci
Thee hath in thrall!’

I saw their starved lips in the gloam,
With horrid warning gapèd wide,
And I awoke and found me here,
On the cold hill’s side.

And this is why I sojourn here,
Alone and palely loitering,
Though the sedge is withered from the lake,
And no birds sing.

If you change the rules on what controls you, you will change the rules on what you can control

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Gnostic wrote:

As long as we L.I.V.E, we are E.V.I.L

To live we have to consume resource, life and space that other living beings need too.

Without being evil, we cannot survive, because there will be no self preservation. We can only choose to be less evil, to be without evil, we will starved to death.

Then everything on this planet is evil, because how dare the cow eat the grass the rabbit wanted to eat?

We are in hell.

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[AragornParticipant 277]

The cow did not do anything evil intentionally by eating grass. The cow is innocent. If the cow would have captured and tortured the rabbit and sucked it dry to death for pleasure it would have been an evil cow. But it is not for us to judge anyway, right?

We are not in hell but we are living in a fallen world. We have conscience, free will and we can choose between being good and righteous or evil and wicked.

If you change the rules on what controls you, you will change the rules on what you can control

[AragornParticipant 277]

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1 Timothy 6:10

Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost….

If you change the rules on what controls you, you will change the rules on what you can control

[TuneoutParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

But real evil does not show itself as evil. It takes the most acceptable shape and takes the pretext of doing good, while in the end it is self-serving at the sacrifice of others. I would say evil people do not even know they are evil, because they use so much deception that they even deceive themselves. It takes someone that is removed from the cloud of deception, to see things for what they are: evil.

Exactly,a good con man will pretend to be your best friend,a serial killer the perfect mate and so on.

If bad people actually looked evil ala Hollyweird there would be very little crime.

Look at the pictures of convicted organized crime figures or people that have carried out terrorist
attacks,they don’t look any different than the rest
of us but Hollywierd has most so conditioned that
innocent people find themselves the victims of rampant
paranoia and stereotyping.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[AragornParticipant 277]

The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you would ever look. – Julius Caesar, 75BC

“Con” comes from con-fidence

“Every game or con there is always an opponent and always a victim. The trick is to know when you’re the latter so you can become the former.”

If you change the rules on what controls you, you will change the rules on what you can control.

If you change the rules on what controls you, you will change the rules on what you can control

[EntropyParticipant 902]

There is no such thing as good or evil.

One side’s hero is the other side’s villain.

Good and evil are relative terms based on your perspective and indoctrinated life philosophies.

"Compare your lives to mine and then kill yourselves" -BBR

[Anonymous 3]

Bushido, great posts.

Aragorn wrote:

We are not in hell but we are living in a fallen world. We have conscience, free will and we can choose between being good and righteous or evil and wicked.

I once learned something about free will. Bear with me because its complicated by its simplicity:

If we have free will there would be no super bowl! Nobody enters the game saying ‘lets lose’, everybody says ‘lets win’. Where is the free will?

It took me a week to understand this.

The idea here is that our actions are already conditioned before they begin and with the ends we thrive to achieve.

So trying to be good can perfectly be predicted and taken advantage of. What people cannot abandon is their self-image of ‘goodness’. And if they do it is replaced by another image of ‘bad’ or ‘insane’.
The image is the limitation of your freewill.

Awareness happens unconstrained if there are no images.

And then you are right, we see things as they are.

But deception is the control of others and ourselves, with the objective of removing awareness.

Gnostic wrote:

Without being evil, we cannot survive, because there will be no self preservation. We can only choose to be less evil, to be without evil, we will starved to death.

To kill is to be evil. That is the simplistic image sometimes humans have. But then we have to eat.
Life feeds on life.
Microbes eat microbes. Animals eat plants, and animals eat other animals.
Is life evil?

I think not.

But people are crazy. If we say its natural for creatures to kill other creatures for resources, what would people make of it? A living hell!

So morality and simplistic ethic is necessary to control the craziness.

But if we are more aware and less prone to illusions that you get happiness from material things, then you may deal with the fact that killing is not evil by itself.

Would killing Hitler in the 30’s be an evil act?

Another female trait: materialism. If I keep up with this thread I will end up saying women are evil!

But I am kidding… Women do not perform cruel acts for resources. /sarc

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Nerevar wrote:

Gnostic wrote:

As long as we L.I.V.E, we are E.V.I.L

To live we have to consume resource, life and space that other living beings need too.

Without being evil, we cannot survive, because there will be no self preservation. We can only choose to be less evil, to be without evil, we will starved to death.

Then everything on this planet is evil, because how dare the cow eat the grass the rabbit wanted to eat?

We are in hell.

Correct, everything is evil, depending how you see it. The hero of our country is a villain for for the enemy country.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[AragornParticipant 277]

@ Gnostic: So how would you define someone who tortures and kills someone totally innocent for pleasure? Is he rather good? Or evil? Someone else might help some stranger in desperate need. Good or evil? Somebody attacks someone – good or evil? Hate – good or evil? Love – good or evil?

Heroes are made by the paths they choose, not the powers they are graced with.

If you change the rules on what controls you, you will change the rules on what you can control

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Anonymous wrote:

Gnostic wrote:

Without being evil, we cannot survive, because there will be no self preservation. We can only choose to be less evil, to be without evil, we will starved to death.

To kill is to be evil. That is the simplistic image sometimes humans have. But then we have to eat.
Life feeds on life.
Microbes eat microbes. Animals eat plants, and animals eat other animals.
Is life evil?

I think not.

But people are crazy. If we say its natural for creatures to kill other creatures for resources, what would people make of it? A living hell!

So morality and simplistic ethic is necessary to control the craziness.

But if we are more aware and less prone to illusions that you get happiness from material things, then you may deal with the fact that killing is not evil by itself.

Would killing Hitler in the 30’s be an evil act?

Another female trait: materialism. If I keep up with this thread I will end up saying women are evil!

But I am kidding… Women do not perform cruel acts for resources. /sarc

To put is simply, what is beneficial to me is good, what harm me is evil. However what is good to be may harm others, therefore it is evil to others. Society cannot function if everyone focus on their own good. Hence the common good. What is good to me but harm society is evil.

That may be what you called “To control the craziness” because that thing which is good to me is bad for society (the majority of people). For example me being a MGTOW is good for me, but bad for society as I no longer contribute to society as much when I get married.

Then there are different society, like the manosphere society and the feminism society. What is good for the manosphere society is evil to the feminism society because they no longer have as much slaves. Hence good and evil is a meaningless word, design to shame the individual to contribute to the majority, or just certain society.

Aragorn wrote:

@ Gnostic: So how would you define someone who tortures and kills someone totally innocent for pleasure? Is he rather good? Or evil? Someone else might help some stranger in desperate need. Good or evil? Somebody attacks someone – good or evil? Hate – good or evil? Love – good or evil?

Heroes are made by the paths they choose, not the powers they are graced with.

Someone who tortures and kill someone totally innocent is bad for me, if that someone is not of my society. But if that someone is of my society, like a jailer who tortures and extract information about terrorist activity. Or a peerless general that will win the war by killing many foes. He is good to me.

Someone else help some stranger in desperate need? Well the family court judge did help the women in desperate need, since she have no marketable skills to earn a living, despite she does not contribute enough to be entitle for half my wealth. So that is evil to me. But in the eyes of the women, the judge is a hero.

Heroes are made by the recognition of other people. And Heroes always dies, unless in comic and friction.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

From a metaphysical standpoint:

Only Good Exists.

Evil is a deficiency in Good.

Evil is not a “thing” or “being” of it’s own but rather a deficiency in a “thing” or “being”.

[AragornParticipant 277]

@gnostic: To me torture is always evil, no matter what. Can it help to extract terrorist information? Maybe sometimed. Maybe not. But it is still an evil act. Would it be called good, if you would be a roman soldier, ca. 2000 years ago, torturing someone, amongst many others, who is calling himself Son of God and Lord? He could be a threat to your “society”, which was the superpower of its time. You can try to justify it to yourself by just following orders, protecting your people, doing the “right” thing. Would you really hand over such a mandate to your government? And would you be willing do it yourself, too, instead of delegating it anonymously to someone else instead? Something evil can’t be twisted into something good just because a potential outcome might justify the means. It is still absolutely evil. Where are the limits? How far would you go? Women? Children? Your own relatives if they might be a threat to your government / “society”? I think it is not only the torturer who loses his soul in the process, it’s also the society supporting such activities, which will lose its soul as a society in the end. Can you rationalize it? Sure you can. But that still doesn’t make it “good”.

If you change the rules on what controls you, you will change the rules on what you can control

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Aragorn wrote:

@gnostic: To me torture is always evil, no matter what. Can it help to extract terrorist information? Maybe sometimed. Maybe not. But it is still an evil act. Would it be called good, if you would be a roman soldier, ca. 2000 years ago, torturing someone, amongst many others, who is calling himself Son of God and Lord? He could be a threat to your “society”, which was the superpower of its time. You can try to justify it to yourself by just following orders, protecting your people, doing the “right” thing. Would you really hand over such a mandate to your government? And would you be willing do it yourself, too, instead of delegating it anonymously to someone else instead? Something evil can’t be twisted into something good just because a potential outcome might justify the means. It is still absolutely evil. Where are the limits? How far would you go? Women? Children? Your own relatives if they might be a threat to your government / “society”? I think it is not only the torturer who loses his soul in the process, it’s also the society supporting such activities, which will lose its soul as a society in the end. Can you rationalize it? Sure you can. But that still doesn’t make it “good”.

Evil is just a word. A description of certain action that some agree too and some does not.

There is nothing good or evil about torture. It is just humans that paint it as good or evil. Torture is just torture. To an alien civilization of robotic AI, it won’t see it is good or evil because it don’t have the concept of pain.
Maybe it will think the human torturing another human as evil because he sucks at his job. This human is really ineffective at doing his job of killing people, he take such a long time, and in the end failed to do so. A waste of his superiors resources.

Good and evil is just a word like man-up, people just use the word to entice other people to do things the way they want.

That said if I hurt someone else I will feel guilty, if I see someone in suffering I would want to help them. I don’t know if that is a biology wiring of humans or spiritual moral compass humans are born with.
But that can be taken advantaged by a women to get me married or take care of other people kids or white knight for them.
So f~~~ good or evil, this moral compass get me into trouble, I will only help other people if I am sure it will not get me into trouble. For certain action that does not get me into trouble like white knighting, I don’t want to do it either.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Anonymous 3]

Aragorn wrote:

Something evil can’t be twisted into something good just because a potential outcome might justify the means. It is still absolutely evil. Where are the limits? How far would you go? Women? Children? Your own relatives if they might be a threat to your government / “society”?

Agreed. Wen I asked if killing Hitler would be good I was introducing a paradox: evil is good, or good is evil?

The possibility exists that both are true and false. Because one does not exist without the other. That is the nature of duality.

If a soldier kills the enemy to for the freedom of his countrymen, he has simultaneously done good and evil.

What would be the final judgement of That situation? I think only God (whatever God) can answer that.

What? Were is it written that we can understand everything? Do kids understand everything? Isn’t there levels of understanding that only happen when you grow out of infancy?

So, I am happy to report that I do not know s~~~ about these dubious situations.

There are, however, other less dubious situations. And those constitute the majority.

I would say torture is one of them.

I might consider killing for good reasons. The problem is what constitutes a good reason, so again lets simplify. Self-defense, the defence of your brothers, that is simple enough. Defending ideas, not so much…

But I would kill with “humanity”, and not inflicting gratuitous pain. That would be unnecessary and point to ulterior unconfessable motives, making it evil.

The same way my motivations are the proof of the pudding. If I look for undeserved personal advantage by harming others, then it must be evil, wont you agree?

And a greater level of evilness is the consciente harmful action, for personal benefit, that is justified/clouded by deception.

[AttonParticipant]

Evil is what threatens us.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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