The MGTOW Label

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

MGTOW is but a label, as times goes labels get more widely know and more people identify to it.

When there are so many people subscribe to the label, they will be more and more people who invested their emotion in it.

When many people investing emotion in it, the label have power. It command attention, it can be used to make people do or behave differently by application of the label. It can be monetize in videos. It monetize people just like fashion designer monetize people who chase trends.

Some people start seeing the power of the new label, the benefits they can get and want to twist it to their own political / belief / issues / wallet. Some people just want to be popular by associating with it, like how people who don’t follow the bible teaching want the label as Christian. Some people like the moral high ground, some people like the validation that what I am doing is right.

It is like how the liberalism label is twisted. How it become twisted to be regressive, socialism, communism, leftist that you hardly recognize the original liberalism anymore.

MGTOW as a label will eventually go to that stage and there is no stopping it. In fact it is lobbied to be virgin basement dweller, women hater, losers. When that don’t stop the growth of MGTOW, it is attacked in another direction, married men can be MGTOW too. MGTOW means men going their own way, being married is also a way. MGTOW can be in a relationship too, if you lift and hold enough frame you are immune to false accusation. You don’t need to separate your want with needs. You can take risk too. You can entertain women and identify with the label too.

For me I refuse to surrender my sovereignty to a label. If the meaning of the label changes to be more inclusive and benefit me I will still hold to the label. If the label change and I can no longer identify with I will drop it. It have little power over me.

If the law changes, or I am in Asia with no cohabitation laws. And MGTOW becomes inclusive that I can cohabit with a woman I will still idntify as a MGTOW if I want to cohabit with a woman.
If the law support false accusation and I am in false accusation heaven West. And MGTOW become inclusive that I can cohabit with a woman (And I want to) I will drop the MGTOW label.

This place teach me to put myself first and be wise against anything that can harm my sovereign hence I like to stay with like minded people. If this place is full of people teaching me taking risk that does not match my cost benefit analysis I will go to greener pastures. There may be other people who benefit from that but it is not my thing.If this place is a mix of both I will ignore threads that I don’t believe in and go to threads that I can relate with.

All in all there is no need to fuss with a label. I am not a label, I am me, I don’t need a label to keep my sovereign and my willpower.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Anonymous 3]

Gnostic wrote:

All in all there is no need to fuss with a label. I am not a label, I am me, I don’t need a label to keep my sovereign and my willpower.

Mgtow is sometimes used as a label, yes. But anyone does what he wants. that is literally the meaning of the word. And, this is not an organized group under a label, (as for example the “liberals”-whatever that means by now- who march as groups under the flag of their political organizations.)

So, there may be men, whom we would consider hardcore mgtow and he doesn’t know the acronym. There may be basement-dwellers and losers, who find peace of mind in our philosophy, let them have it. There are divorced people. There are falsely accused people. There are men, who just cannot stand women’s drama in relationships any more, and decide to not fall in love any more. And then find peace of mind in Mgtow philosophy. There may be ones who still play with fire and have casual sex. There are men, who are married / in relationship, that is sinking down, and they plan their safe exit of a sinking ship.

to summarize, Mgtow is a philosophy applied on the individual’s level, and not a label with a clearly defined meaning, nor an organized group. Just a few people sharing life experiences.

More danger may be that political and religious topics, and enemies may (infiltrate to) induce conflicts between the individuals (who have different ideas on things), because that’s how they work, divide and conquer. That is what I sometimes saw, when there was a bar-fight on the forum.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Anonymous wrote:

to summarize, Mgtow is a philosophy applied on the individual’s level, and not a label with a clearly defined meaning, nor an organized group. Just a few people sharing life experiences.

More danger may be that political and religious topics, and enemies may (infiltrate to) induce conflicts between the individuals (who have different ideas on things), because that’s how they work, divide and conquer. That is what I sometimes saw, when there was a bar-fight on the forum.

The essence of MGTOW cannot be extinguish so long as male disposability exist. It is more of a survival reaction rather then philosophy. Yes there are people that adopt MGTOW as a philosophy, but the majority of people become MGTOW because they have been burned, or see others burned badly.

If the feminist somehow manage to kill all MGTOW and purge all MGTOW content, MGTOW will be rediscovered so long as male disposability exist. If all women turn into unicorn, MGTOW will cease to exist save for the few MGTOW who adopt it as a philosophy.
We are actually rediscovering MGTOW since the Roman empire and past empires.
Feminism Responsible For The Fall Of Rome

Political and religious topics may disrupt this forum, but will not endanger MGTOW. After you digested the red pill, you cannot lie to yourself anymore and go back to the plantation. The people with grievance will just to other Manosphere forum that are more inline with their political / religious views. MGTOW will still grow in other places.

Keymaster would do his best to keep a diversity of ideals but you cannot please everyone. So he can only keep the majority of people who play nice with other people. Just like every other places you cannot please everyone too. Divide and conquer always works because of the human condition. But then the MGTOW who see the truth cannot stop being MGTOW, so even they are not on this forum, they will be elsewhere and still MGTOW, stop being the cog in the gynocentric machine.

The only threat to MGTOW is women become real unicorn, not the unicorn before marriage and vampire after. Since women are incapable of that in the foreseeable future, I say MGTOW is invincible.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Anonymous 1]

There are many acronym’s that can be assigned to me:

MGTOW – men going their own way.

EML – enjoying my life.

NAS – not a slave.

FTP – f~~~ the plantation.

None of this really matters anyway. I’ve never described myself as MGTOW to anyone in person and I don’t because it’s a label and labels mean nothing.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

The acronym began as a way to describe a problem. Some men, who had been screwed by divorce and misandric laws in the system were trying to form a meeting (online or in person) and they were failing because “all the men were just going their own way” and isolating. They didn’t want to talk or meet. The phrase illustrated their problem of trying to bring men together. They adopted that phrase and began a forum going by the name. That was close to twenty years ago.

Those early guys had varying sentiment towards interaction with women. Some were Traditionalists who believed sincerely in reestablishing roles for men and women. These early attitudes were more MRA than anything. They were pro going back to women and working things out. Not all but most just wanted to re-establish masculine and feminine roles for men and woman. Marriage and sex was no problem.

As the internet began growing in the early 2000’s, eventually we got YouTube and ManWomanMyth. Watch those, because it was the spark that started a wildfire and a morphing of the MGTOW idea.

Those trad con ideas (traditional conservative) were shot full of holes later by Barbarossa (see the playlists by Barbarossa on YouTube). He took the tradconesque MRA early form of MGTOW into a whole new direction, a much more PUA direction. Then Stardusk really amped it up and took MGTOW into a MONK direction. The whole evolution, the number of men discovering mgtow was increasing the whole time.

After a few years of Barbar and Stardusk, MGTOW numbered in the several thousands. The overall flavor of mgtow was monk with little exception.

MGTOW is a journey for us. Many of us are still testing the water with women. Whether MGTOW is compatible with marriage and relationships is up to you, based on your experiences. For me, I’m a monk.

I began a thread about this recently. https://mgtow.com/forums/topic/origins-of-modern-mgtow-ragnar-mr-e-barbar/

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

The acronym began as a way to describe a problem. Some men, who had been screwed by divorce and misandric laws in the system were trying to form a meeting (online or in person) and they were failing because “all the men were just going their own way” and isolating. They didn’t want to talk or meet. The phrase illustrated their problem of trying to bring men together. They adopted that phrase and began a forum going by the name. That was close to twenty years ago.

Those early guys had varying sentiment towards interaction with women. Some were Traditionalists who believed sincerely in reestablishing roles for men and women. These early attitudes were more MRA than anything. They were pro going back to women and working things out. Not all but most just wanted to re-establish masculine and feminine roles for men and woman. Marriage and sex was no problem.

As the internet began growing in the early 2000’s, eventually we got YouTube and ManWomanMyth. Watch those, because it was the spark that started a wildfire and a morphing of the MGTOW idea.

Those trad con ideas (traditional conservative) were shot full of holes later by Barbarossa (see the playlists by Barbarossa on YouTube). He took the tradconesque MRA early form of MGTOW into a whole new direction, a much more PUA direction. Then Stardusk really amped it up and took MGTOW into a MONK direction. The whole evolution, the number of men discovering mgtow was increasing the whole time.

After a few years of Barbar and Stardusk, MGTOW numbered in the several thousands. The overall flavor of mgtow was monk with little exception.

MGTOW is a journey for us. Many of us are still testing the water with women. Whether MGTOW is compatible with marriage and relationships is up to you, based on your experiences. For me, I’m a monk.

I began a thread about this recently. https://mgtow.com/forums/topic/origins-of-modern-mgtow-ragnar-mr-e-barbar/

Well, as you yourself pointed out, what MGTOW was, and stood for has changed, and the reality is, will continue to change. It has changed even here. Yes, there is, and will always be some underlying tones that are standard principles of MGTOW.

As for me personally, I don’t need, and never needed the label. I lived in such a way and continue to live in a way that is MGTOW. Well before I ever knew the terminology. That will never change.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

I agree, and for my part in it, I just want a truce. If there are any disagreements, they’re negligible. My defenses are dialed up too high. I don’t like causing resentments or living in them so I’m submitting.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

IRuleMe wrote:

As for me personally, I don’t need, and never needed the label.

On occasion, I have overheard and seen many statements like “where is MGTOW going?” and “I went MGTOW”……. and one guy on twitter recently declared he was “MGTOW for the last 6 months”. That’s how he introduced himself to his audience on youtube.

Spoken as if it’s a label. But it’s just 5 letters. And even “mgtow.com” is just an internet website address. It’s for red-pill men, first and before anything else. That keeps it in perspective.

We’re all a “man” –>> first.

I introduce myself as my name.

NOT “I’m a democrat / republican / atheist / doctor / plumber / mghow / vegetarian / social drinker / transexual / gay / lesbian / dog owner “. etc.

Many people DO actually present themselves that way in social situations, and it’s because they are otherwise generally uninteresting. They don’t have much else to talk about other than their own “obsession with a label”.

I was at a holiday party once and I heard someone say about another person “please tell me he’s not gay”. Can you imagine? To me, that’s INSANE. The fist thing she wanted to know is if that guy is “not gay”.

She made no effort to ask his name, what kind of person he is, if he plays any musical instruments, what languages he speaks, where he is from, what he knows….. the first thing she wanted to know is who he’s f~~~ing, so she could slap a label on it.

Nobody knows I am “MGTOW”. It’s totally internalized.
( or a “MGHOW” if anyone want to get obsessive about the label )

“Hi I’m Keymaster. How’s it going?”

That’s all there is to it. And I don’t need to concern myself with “where MGTOW is going”. or “what MGTOW will become”. It’s bigger than all of us, really. Beauty of it is, it doesn’t even require a subscription or acceptance to thrive.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

I agree, and for my part in it, I just want a truce. If there are any disagreements, they’re negligible. My defenses are dialed up too high. I don’t like causing resentments or living in them so I’m submitting.

I don’t have any issue with you personally. That’s the thing. You and I are simply having a discussion about beliefs and ideas. I don’t resent you for that. As someone who values discussion, I rather enjoy our interactions. I enjoy us being able to disagree on points and have a civil discussion about it.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

The whole thing is really interesting. I burn out my brain on it once a year and argue. Then I step back and honestly laugh at myself saying, I just did it again. Over analyze for no reason and p~~~ people off, why? Those guys are just like me.

I’m cool with the .com definition, the whole site is great, all the apex minds on the history page are great.

As Key Master said:

Keymaster wrote:

It’s bigger than all of us, really.

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