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RooshV isn’t a successful PUA after all. Why? Because he couldn’t get laid in several countries. Hell any true Pick up Artist can get laid in Toronto.
https://avpd0nmmng.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/the-many-failures-of-roosh/
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
S~~~ that’s hilarious. I got laid in Toronto. Professional “you can’t get laid” PUA Roosh doesn’t get laid in Toronto …. but a MGHOW scores. I spend a good about of time in Toronto. It wasn’t even a challenge there. But BRAZIL was the photo negative. Thats was where I went to vacation and practically swore I would never get involved with a Canadian/ American bitch again for any more than a shag. I hear things are changing down there though.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous3They are all full of s~~~. Anybody that obsessed with pedestaling pussy and trying to get “followers” is nothing but a clown peac~~~ that fails miserably. There is some strange desperation in most human beings when they fail really badly at something to insist they are great at it, to unreasonable levels.
PUA got exposed way back, then they just dressed it up with TRP, some new buzzwords, and “lift bro.” It’s the same losers selling the same junk to the old losers, although a bunch of dumb young men jumped in where maybe the now older men previously moved on. I don’t have sympathy for the new generation of sucker losers, because they themselves have no awareness and have evil little hearts.
More and more I think the internet is mostly worthless. I waste too much time letting these morons get their message out to me. At least in person I don’t have to allow pathetic fat f~~~s to talk to me.
If women weren’t so stupid as to sleep around so much, these losers wouldn’t even think they have a chance…because they wouldn’t. Right now they have something like a 2-3% success rate, mainly because of how unselective and loose the modern Western woman is. Instead of saving themselves and refusing bottom tier men, these women want to sleep around and then scream rape afterwards, in the hopes that higher quality males will ignore it. However higher quality men for the most part opted out. No amount of BS is going to convince high quality men to lay with damaged, used up low quality women. These PUA types hope to slide in because of that, but it’s pretty pathetic to watch.
PUA’s are total bullcrap. I watched some of their videos, and man how stupid does one have to be so obsessed with sex, really. These guys spend all their free time chasing used-up sluts, and then they brag when they eventually get to bang one who’s drunk enough to copulate with their sorry asses.
The whole pua thing was created by insecure morons who need some kind of ridiculous “who f~~~ed more skanks” dick contest in order not to feel worthless.
The average pua is an empty idiotic shell that exists to find new ways to satisfy women, nothing else.
It’s funny how “not putting women on a pedestal” seems to be one of their most important points, but they don’t even realize that because they give sex such control over them, they actually ARE putting women on a huge goddamn pedestal.“Spend your life chasing women, base your life around getting women, but don’t put them on a pedestal.”
Talk about being incoherent, seriously 😀It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.
I don’t dislike the guy. I have heard of him so I read the link.
It struck me that his main method of picking up girls was getting them drunk and f~~~ing them.
Not exactly a challenge.
Maybe reading this guy is why older people who already hate men have made drunk sex a form of rape.
We all know that both parties are into this “game” but these idiots like this advertise it.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
It struck me that his main method of picking up girls was getting them drunk and f~~~ing them.
Not exactly a challenge.
needed that, still laughing. You’re gonna put Ben Stein out of business.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Twenty-one year old MGHOW here: been living in Toronto since the fourth grade. It’s crazy how KeyMaster and others say that Toronto is where the women are the worst. It’s funny, because I’m too young and not well-traveled (I traveled a lot as a kid, but wasn’t really observant enough to pick up on behaviors) to remember the behaviors of women from other places in the world.
I wonder how much of that (i.e., Toronto women being the worst) is truth, coupled with selection bias (seems no one here is content with women anywhere), coupled with Toronto being one of the biggest and renowned cities in North America.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
Wait you mean there are women on earth who don’t want to be treated like s~~~ and have some sort of value system? They must be heathens. We must set them free and civilize them by promoting narcissism and consumerism. Sorry I meant Equality and Freedom. We can then sell them useless s~~~ they don’t need. So then our employees including the CEO can then buy useless s~~~ we don’t need. That will make us all happy.
PUA was a good way for men to start swallowing the red pill because those who join are super beta and already worshiped vaginas. It forces them to start to realize the true nature of women. PUA is now pretty old and has been replaced by the “Red Pill.” The “Red Pill” tries to met the extreme unjustified demands of modern women by self improvement. I disagree with this why I transitioned into MGTOW. The majority are proponents of spinning plates. But there are still some who wish to find a wild horse and tame her into a unicorn. Who I just think are f~~~ing stupid.
It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything
RooshV isn’t a successful PUA after all. Why? Because he couldn’t get laid in several countries. Hell any true Pick up Artist can get laid in Toronto. https://avpd0nmmng.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/the-many-failures-of-roosh/
So, the only place he can have luck, is where hypergamy works to a man’s advantage to such a degree, that you can’t help but get a woman? Sure, go to a third-world nation, have enough funds where it looks like you are a provider, and don’t be a psychopath, and you should be able to get a woman. If this is “the game”, then “the game” is a lottery that doesn’t require skill.
The real “game” is life, where you develop strategy and have success.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I meant to post this yesterday on the PUA thread, so I guess I’ll put it here instead:
Richard – excellent points. I’m curious though what you might have “against” PUAs? I’ve counted myself among them at times, although I suspect you mean the PUAs who wrap their entire self image and worth around their score number.
I found a group of PUA types here in Seattle who genuinely wanted to help each other succeed in getting laid or attaining whatever our sexual goals were, almost like a support group of wingmen. Not a competition, just a genuine feeling of being in it together, respecting the rules like whoever opens the set owns the set, etc.
Basically what I’m getting at is that I agree with you about the annoying PUA types who think a number makes them superior and all the other annoying behaviors, but that there are some worthwhile techniques there to help you get laid and we shouldn’t throw out the baby with the bath water. Traditional PUA is getting quite stale though. For anyone that’s seen the movie “Kingsmen secret service” there’s a scene in there where they basically run through the whole “negging” thing and now it’s basically mainstream.
Poontang has always been a moving target. The whole roadrunner and Coyote series of cartoons was based on that – confirmed by its creator.
Just because we’re GOOW, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get laid from time to time. To make that easier/more efficient, I think we should develop a new MGTOW methodology where we leave ego and the need to validate/esteem oneself based on sexual “success” behind and genuinely support each other’s efforts, sorting the crap out from what actually works.
To me, that’s what the whole PUA thing was about, but somewhere along the line it got off track when assholes like the subject of this thread came along and tried to capitalize on it. Doing so introduces the need to project a level of higher knowledge/authority for which the “uninitiated” must pay to aquire, and all the subsequent bullisht that’s given PUA such a (deservedly) bad rap.
How about it? Should we start a sub movement? We can call it “Men Helping Each Other Get Laid” or MHEOGL for short?
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
The only truly useful tricks I learned from one of the PUA gurus, was on a quick radio interview he gave.
Ironically, I found they work best when trying to influence a man.
1) Observe the person closely.
2) Match their breathing rate and pattern.
3) Return their own words which they seem to like best, either by mixing the order up or sublimely echoing their words.
4) Observe their body language, and mirror some of their mannerisms at critical moments.
I have used these skills to perfect a Jedi Mind Trick type tactic. I have used it to get jobs. I have used it to convince bosses to get what I wanted. I have even used it to get out of tickets from the police.
Other than that a lot of what they preach is either BS, or stuff that is obvious to any man above 35yo.
Sovereignty above all else.
Good call – I’ve used some of that successfully myself, particularly the breathing pattern and mirroring thing. Thanks for the post.
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
Ok, let me get into issues I can have with PUA. Here PUA would be more of a label of a culture of Picking Up Women and that idea of gamesmenship and the whole “Alpha, Beta, and Omega” thing where shame is used to get men to buy material. It isn’t a case where such works and is positive and helps. Ok, here is what:
* A bunch of PUA is preying on insecurities of men, and often selling them stuff that doesn’t work. I tie the dating sites and so on into this also. It is a business model based on having those who fail to keep paying money over and over and over again, and instilling hope. It ties into a lottery ticket lies.
* There is a tendency to turn the nature of human interaction into forms of manipulation to get what you want, and it can be at the expense of others.
* Bad practices in the area of dating, using failed PUA techniques, end up being fodder by the feminist camp against men to justify their ends.
* The focus of PUA is usually nearly entirely around the physical appears of women, how great they are in bed, and so on. It is focus on getting laid above all. It is the lowest common denominator, which makes sense it would be, but they don’t even get into bigger picture issues men need to be aware of in life that can follow.
* It never really gets into a man finding his own game, for himself. It is more of getting a man to follow certain techniques and doing them, rather than what a man finding his own way and strengthening it.
* By framing it as a game, you end up having it so that women will use it to get resources out of men, and try to play back. And with this, comes this endless cycles of action, filter, counter-action, filter to counter than and so on. A man becomes an actor on a stage, not doing what he needs to do, but one of all this strategizing to an end that doesn’t help him out.
Ok, let me cut through the PUA stuff and give some tips for getting women, if that is what you seek, that also works for MGTOW:
* Work on yourself and become more resourceful, and have more ways to help yourself, without anyone else.
* Add polish to your life, for your own sake, to more accurately and communicate to the world what you have to offer it.
* Have personal boundaries that aren’t going to get violated, that stand solid, and are built upon that are communicated to the world clearly. Know what these are, and have thought out reasons for them, knowing they make you, you.
* Have sufficient resources to be able to be a host and show a woman a good time, as per your terms. You would do this with any guest actually. The person you are with you want to have a good time, as you see it, because they make your time good. The idea of being the host means you control the situation.
* Once you have you stuff together, be able to find a woman who may interest you, for reasons you can tell her why clearly, and tell her why you are interested and what you are looking for. Show you have a plan and so on. If she rejects, so be it. Make it so the rejection meets your way of filtering bull in the world out. Maybe she comes back later, if she agrees to your terms.
* Remain in control of yourself, your feelings and emotions. You are to open up to the degree your opening up is worth to open up. The process of dating a woman is to see if she would be a fit. The end game would be finding a woman who makes your life better, and maps as needed, on your own terms, and she does this because it is of benefit to her, so she doesn’t resent selling her soul for something. If you find it doesn’t work out, end it. Allow her to end it also if she doesn’t want it. Treat this as not a match.
There, do that and maybe you get something. I am sure there is more. And I say this from a perspective bettering your chance to get a woman. It isn’t a case of just getting laid, but to better your chance of having women in your life that work at a level that fits you. And I charge nothing for this. Maybe I should charge for it, and repackage it. But I have a pile of my own stuff at the top to work on.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Breaking it down to
1. Pre-established techniques
2. Post established techniques
would clarify the issue somewhat. Women accept many different types of currency to make the deal worth their while. With man #1, he is forced to put more currency down(prepay) than #2. Much like getting a car/ down payment amount reflects your credit. A high percentage of pua are more than likely from group #1 just trying to get around the down payment by getting emotional lemons. Im not into pua tactics, because the return policys are complete s~~~ for a reason.
Ok, let me get into issues I can have with PUA. Here PUA would be more of a label of a culture of Picking Up Women and that idea of gamesmenship and the whole “Alpha, Beta, and Omega” thing where shame is used to get men to buy material. It isn’t a case where such works and is positive and helps. Ok, here is what: * A bunch of PUA is preying on insecurities of men, and often selling them stuff that doesn’t work. I tie the dating sites and so on into this also. It is a business model based on having those who fail to keep paying money over and over and over again, and instilling hope. It ties into a lottery ticket lies. * There is a tendency to turn the nature of human interaction into forms of manipulation to get what you want, and it can be at the expense of others. * Bad practices in the area of dating, using failed PUA techniques, end up being fodder by the feminist camp against men to justify their ends. * The focus of PUA is usually nearly entirely around the physical appears of women, how great they are in bed, and so on. It is focus on getting laid above all. It is the lowest common denominator, which makes sense it would be, but they don’t even get into bigger picture issues men need to be aware of in life that can follow. * It never really gets into a man finding his own game, for himself. It is more of getting a man to follow certain techniques and doing them, rather than what a man finding his own way and strengthening it. * By framing it as a game, you end up having it so that women will use it to get resources out of men, and try to play back. And with this, comes this endless cycles of action, filter, counter-action, filter to counter than and so on. A man becomes an actor on a stage, not doing what he needs to do, but one of all this strategizing to an end that doesn’t help him out. Ok, let me cut through the PUA stuff and give some tips for getting women, if that is what you seek, that also works for MGTOW: * Work on yourself and become more resourceful, and have more ways to help yourself, without anyone else. * Add polish to your life, for your own sake, to more accurately and communicate to the world what you have to offer it. * Have personal boundaries that aren’t going to get violated, that stand solid, and are built upon that are communicated to the world clearly. Know what these are, and have thought out reasons for them, knowing they make you, you. * Have sufficient resources to be able to be a host and show a woman a good time, as per your terms. You would do this with any guest actually. The person you are with you want to have a good time, as you see it, because they make your time good. The idea of being the host means you control the situation. * Once you have you stuff together, be able to find a woman who may interest you, for reasons you can tell her why clearly, and tell her why you are interested and what you are looking for. Show you have a plan and so on. If she rejects, so be it. Make it so the rejection meets your way of filtering bull in the world out. Maybe she comes back later, if she agrees to your terms. * Remain in control of yourself, your feelings and emotions. You are to open up to the degree your opening up is worth to open up. The process of dating a woman is to see if she would be a fit. The end game would be finding a woman who makes your life better, and maps as needed, on your own terms, and she does this because it is of benefit to her, so she doesn’t resent selling her soul for something. If you find it doesn’t work out, end it. Allow her to end it also if she doesn’t want it. Treat this as not a match. There, do that and maybe you get something. I am sure there is more. And I say this from a perspective bettering your chance to get a woman. It isn’t a case of just getting laid, but to better your chance of having women in your life that work at a level that fits you. And I charge nothing for this. Maybe I should charge for it, and repackage it. But I have a pile of my own stuff at the top to work on.
I think that’s pretty excellent advice. The only “nuance” I would add is that some (like myself) might not be looking for *a* woman, but a few different ones to keep in the “stable.” Every single thing you wrote still applies though. You stay in control, set inviolable boundaries, etc. I would just add that it doesn’t have to be in a search for just one woman, it can be two, three, or more that qualify according to your criteria, and then you can rotate between them as desired.
That’s for those (like myself) that want such a situation. Nothing wrong with wanting to keep it to one girl, or one girl at a time as long as they’re worth it. Men should have options like these, and should not be shamed for having or wanting them, whatever they may be.
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
The only truly useful tricks I learned from one of the PUA gurus, was on a quick radio interview he gave.
Ironically, I found they work best when trying to influence a man.
1) Observe the person closely.
2) Match their breathing rate and pattern.
3) Return their own words which they seem to like best, either by mixing the order up or sublimely echoing their words.
4) Observe their body language, and mirror some of their mannerisms at critical moments.
It’s called mirroring. Tony Robbins teaches it for ages, it’s from NPL.
http://www.nlp-secrets.com/nlp-technique-mirroring.php
http://ultraculture.org/blog/2014/01/16/nlp-10-ways-protect-mind-control/
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
I think that’s pretty excellent advice. The only “nuance” I would add is that some (like myself) might not be looking for *a* woman, but a few different ones to keep in the “stable.” Every single thing you wrote still applies though. You stay in control, set inviolable boundaries, etc. I would just add that it doesn’t have to be in a search for just one woman, it can be two, three, or more that qualify according to your criteria, and then you can rotate between them as desired. That’s for those (like myself) that want such a situation. Nothing wrong with wanting to keep it to one girl, or one girl at a time as long as they’re worth it. Men should have options like these, and should not be shamed for having or wanting them, whatever they may be.
Well, if those boundaries are communicated, and the women go for it, that is fine. I know one guy I used to work with, who can be thought MGTOW who was clear on everything, and had women coming to him. Last I checked, he is not doing sex.
What a man can negotiate or get, assuming one wants to play the give and take game and the market value of dating, will depend on how strong he is.
What I said reflects a reality of trying to deal with women and what you can get, and them responding to what they want. The norm is a woman wants the ONE guy interested in her, so she tries to bargain that. It ends up hard to do that.
What I do think is healthy and a woman would need to get off her romantic high horse over, is that it IS ok and healthy for a man to have multiple friends, and even women friends. There is too much bull, and pressure, brought into relationships out of the expectation that ONE person will be the EVERYTHING for you. Women particularly have this feeling, so they demand a guy be 10s on everything, or settled for less in some areas. That state of a vortex isn’t healthy for anyone, but it is the lies that are taught.
I do operate from a monogamous mindset here, so I would do as I said, but I can also operate solo, and work solo now (MGTOW). I am working on myself pretty much and not getting much help.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
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