The Indoctrination of the Arab Culture

[gamespot1114Participant 20]

Hello everyone,

I’ve been going MGTOW for about a year and a half now, but it’s just now that I’m finally starting to want to get my story out there. As the title implies, I am an Arab American who’s been born and raised in the United States. Although I was raised Christian, I have been an Atheist since I was 15 years old. The reason for my story is because I want people to know about the Middle Eastern culture, and how oppressive and destructive it is for men. People talk much about how bad it is for women, but I assure everyone, that it’s ten fold times worse for men. The Arab culture is all about men working like dogs to support their wives and their families while their wives go on vacation and go on day spas with their friends and relatives, and the man is expected to pay for all of it. Arab women are raised to be beautiful so that they could find a rich man, and men are told as children that if they don’t become a doctor or a lawyer, then they are not men and will never find anyone to marry them. Needless to say, this is how I was raised, for my parents told me that no matter what, I have to become a lawyer or a doctor if I ever want to be called a man by people in my community.

About myself, I am in my late 20’s and I have a Bachelor’s and 2 Master’s degrees, and I received my education from 1st-tier universities. Needless to say, I am very well educated for my age and I have accomplished much, and I paid for my entire education myself, for my parents told me that I’m not a man unless I pay for everything myself. There were days in middle and high school where I went hungry for the entire day because my Mom told me that I’m a man, and I need to work if I want to eat, and she wouldn’t give me any money lunch money. Keep in mind that I was in my early teens at this point. Anyways, I have dated dozens of girls in my life, and it never worked out (especially after college) with any of them because I wasn’t “rich enough” for them, especially from the Arab girls that I dated. Every Arab girl told me that I wasn’t good enough for her because I didn’t have everything ready for them, like the house, the cars, the career, and everything else women want in a marriage, even though I was still a student. One Arab girl I dated for a year only dated me because I was “fun to hang out with,” yet she left me when her Mom found a man for her to marry, and he was 20 years older than her and was fat, bald and very unattractive, yet she decided to marry him and the following month, they had their engagement party. I was quite upset and depressed after this. It was after years of this kind of torture that I decided for myself that I would never date any woman every again, and certainly not marry anyone either. My parents think of me as a failure, even though I’m quite successful for my age (and I have started my own business last year, just because I don’t want to get married. They even tried to get me to marry my first cousin! Cousin marriages are also very common in the Middle Eastern culture. Anyways, my Mom tells all her sisters and friends about how disappointed she is in me, and everyone is trying their hardest to get me to get married. They don’t understand, and I doubt they ever will. I’m the only Arab that I know who’s decided to take this path in life (and I know literally thousands of Arabs), and no one in my community even tries to understand why I decided to take this path. What a destructive and incredibly unreasonable culture this is.

Anyways, I just wanted everyone to be aware of how oppressed Arab men are, for they all feel the same pain that I did, yet they are all too weak to leave the culture and go on their own, as that is how they were raised. Taking the red pill was hard for me, but breaking free of my indoctrination was the most liberating feeling I have ever felt in my entire life, and I will continue to encourage those in my community to break free of their indoctrination and leave this destructive culture once and for all.

[Qbeck01Participant 57]

I’ve only ever heard of how awful and oppressive it is for Arab women. We only ever hear from the women’s perspective. I can only imagine what it’s like to eek out a living in the middle east. I’m sure they don’t have OSHA or 8 hour work days.

[Anonymous 42]

@game spot, you have courage to make a stand against your culture, in foreignstan you would lose your head for such a bold position. Your relatives must be shamming you beyond anything we’ve ever felt as North Americans, Europeans and Australians, I’ve witnessed 1st hand, close and personal, discrimination from Arabs in Holland. You’re MGHOW all the way! And a courageous one at that! You’re living proof that MGTOW has no boundary, it’s definitely a natural and organic movement, there’s every walk of life here.

Thanks for sharing, I’m intrigued by any sort of indifference one would be willing to speak out about the Arab community. Much dialog is needed between logical Arabs and and otherwise open minded people. Arab radicals have no legitimate platform to speak from among civilized men, nor do any people who engage in tyranny and murder.

I’d like to follow this thread, but am unable to download email at this time, sorry.

[gamespot1114Participant 20]

Thank you MG-Tower for your reply I really appreciate your king and encouraging words. Yeah it def hasn’t been easy everyone in my community has basically made me a pariah of their society and my decision “destroyed” my parents’ reputation, as they had a great reputation, but bc I won’t get married, Arabs think I’m gay, and that’s a big shame among Arabs. But regardless of whatever the outcome is, if something happens to me bc I choose to walk this path, then so be it. I have no regrets for living how I want to live.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

There are women want to join ISIS. Gee, you’d wonder why. It’s either because they know they’d be treated well, or that they believe they’ll be fine no matter what their choices are.

There’s this story of a young woman who was found charred to a crisp. She was this cute white girl with blue eyes and blond hair. I think she was a cheerleader. She found some thugs and had one for a boyfriend. Then she dumped him for another. The first one decided to kill her, so they burned her alive. She chose to get involved with thugs. Why didn’t she realize that they are nasty evil people who burn women alive? I believe it’s because she thought that no matter what, someone was going to bail her out.

[Anonymous 42]

gamespot1114 wrote:

Arabs think I’m gay, and that’s a big shame among Arabs.

Hey GameSpot, shame is no stranger to a man willing to look at his own reflection, and peer deep into his own person for the liberating truths of understanding his surroundings. People cast shame on each other to hide their ignorance, they haven’t the will or courage to self reflect, they remain in the comfort of pride.

Again, I must commend you on your willingness to break boundaries. Like sheep in a fenced yard, many people are blindly lead along never awaking to their own reality. Some sheep are lead over a cliff, suffering the fate of their own ignorance. You’re a smart guy, you know you’re not gay, that’s all that matters, even if you were gay, it wouldn’t matter. Being a real MAN is a matter of humility. You seem like a guy that has humbled him self and are able to recognize your own pride; a stumbling block to self reflection.

I not only encourage you, I’m cheering you on! Go for it! You’ll be a greater man than any cleric could possibly hope to be. Men were made lead, not to follow. I salute you, SIR!

[SubkonshisParticipant 14]

Gamespot. Welcome, I like your avatar, as Code Geass is one of my favorite anime of all-time. No other geo political chess player compares to Lelouce.

[SubkonshisParticipant 14]

Gamespot. Welcome, I like your avatar, as Code Geass is one of my favorite anime of all-time. No other geo political chess player compares to Lelouch.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Gamespot I will join MG-TOWER in your cheering squad. I will add that the outcome Is, under your control.  I see your path of chucking your pride aside and looking deep into your own wants will bring you happy days and much contentment ahead. I know that I will never fully understand the pressures your culture imposes upon you. Know that you have a cheering section larger than just two at this site. The beauty of these guys is in their acceptance of anyone male, regardless of who rejected them.

Men are rejected by many people in society, their own race or creed, their women, governments, religion, cultural communities and more but keep this analogy in mind:   You may be the building stone your culture rejected, but destined to become  the cornerstone in the mgtow  Monument.

 

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Anonymous 2]

I’ve been on a diving vacation in Egypt once in my life and had a few conversations with Arab men working their ass off at the hotel to pay for their education and marriage. Some of the managers got paid a salary but many of the young men serving drinks had to live off tips to support for a future none of them chose for themselves. As a European this was somewhat of a culture shock, realizing that slight of baksheesh I gave away meant no exit from their predicament, no chance of escape, no matter the amount of money we dropped getting drinks. Looking back I now see how emasculating that must be, barely getting by on whatever foreigners think your service is worth, and having to spend it all on a woman you didn’t even pick yourself.

Perhaps you can’t flaunt your masculinity but at least you define it yourself now. Your society may think of you as a failure, but that’s a sentiment you can throw right back while you take back the reigns. I’ve had similar experiences as MG-Tower in The Netherlands, and coupled with my Egyptian adventure my frame of reference is small. But one thing I am sure of is that you are not a failure, society failed you. According to what I consider to be a man, you are a prime example of getting s~~~ done despite your hardships.

[constraints_theoryParticipant 43]

Welcome Gamespot1114 we are going international with this community! lol all joking aside as Qbeck01 stated over here you know we only hear how bad it is for a woman. now for me personally i always take things with a grain of salt understanding that there are two side to every story and always wondered what it was like in the middle east from the man’s perspective reading your story definitely shed some light on my curiosity.

now for me personally i don’t care what race you are or religious creed to each their own i have a live and let live kind of mentality with that aside reading your story i feel for you man to be branded by your own family as a disappointment has to be a major kick in the nuts but then again at the same time what i think is simply screw them they have already made their mind up and there is nothing you can say or do that can change that. it creates a situation where they either shut up and fall in line with your decisions and support you or they can get the hell out of your way because people like that even family they will only drag you down. with that in mind i am happy to hear you decided to take control of your life and do what you want to do and that is fantastic man especially with the amount of pressure you receive i could understand how someone would submit to it all. It takes a real man with some major cajones to stand up and to fight for what they believe in instead of laying down and giving up. so i tip my hat to you in respect.

I myself am in my mid twenties and i face the same sort of family stigma that you do perhaps not to the same degree but absolutely know where you are coming from and can only imagine how much more difficult is it for you. its like their social conditioning have lead them to believe if a man doesn’t have a wife, working, and taking care of said wife then he isn’t a man at all. you know because a man doing whatever it is he want to do in life automatically makes him gay in the eyes of so many? which is totally and utter bulls~~~ who the hell are they to be trying to tell us how to live our life!? but i digress…

anyway, welcome to the community glad to see more and more men waking up and seeing what is truly going on around them and saying “nope not for me” take care man i am sure to see you around the forums

good luck in all your future endeavors

I've killed worse than you on my way to real problems.

[dondanteParticipant 12]

Hi Gamespot,

Great intro! I consider myself more knowledgable about Arab culture than the average Joe (even took Arabic in college) but your description is completely novel to me and I’m happy you’re bringing this to light. I guess I’ve mostly known Arab women, even dated a couple, and my male Arab friends never spoke about the oppression around me anyway. But I can totally see it now; the Arab female is in the exact opposite position as you! The girl I knew had everything paid for, complete princess, lived in a fancy apartment and had a husky for a pet, and I swear to you this girl had never even cooked an egg!! She had no skills and looking back I shudder when I think what would’ve happened to me if I had married her.

Anyway, from everything you’ve been through you are probably a great man, so take care of yourself and I look forward to seeing you around!!

[gamespot1114Participant 20]

Thank you all for your encouragement and support I really appreciate it! It’s def been a difficult road but when I think about all the stress that I’m saving myself from it’s all worth it in the end. Even giving up the need for sex has also been incredibly liberating. Now I see why Sir Issac Newton was a virgin all his life that man had the right idea lol.

[…Spectator 1165]

gamespot: near 60 year old mgtow here. spent time in saudi arabia and dubai for more than 20 years. as a u.s. resident and friend of both jewish and arab radicals for 30 years, i welcome you. speak your mind and enlighten all of us man.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Newton was not merely a virgin, he was borderline rabid about avoiding women! Here is an excerpt from a letter he wrote to John Locke:

“Being of opinion that you endeavoured to embroil me with women, and by other means, I was so much affected with it, as that when one told me you were sickly and would not live, I answered, ’twere better if you were dead. I desire you to forgive me this uncharitableness … ”

Basically, he was apologizing to Locke for his extremely harsh words when Locke was trying to hook him up.

Unlike Newton, I have tried getting embroiled with women. It didn’t work out so good. Newton had the right idea!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 42]

constraints_theory wrote:

It takes a real man with some major cajones to stand up and to fight for what they believe in instead of laying down and giving up. so i tip my hat to you in respect.

Life’s not going to be a piece of cake, you’ll be blindsided with the unexpected, when that happens “maneuver” Never take on the unexpected bitch slap, without formulating a defense, or farther (if need be) a battle plan.

One more thing about my trolling the streets Amsterdam, this one BIG Arab dude was bobbing and snorting through the market place (outdoors) totally intimidating every one he could, I mean he was snorting and changing directions scaring whoever he went at. and the cops don’t have guns.

Try that s~~~ in the Bronx, LA, Boston, Hartford, “Dallas” “TEXAS”, “KENTUCKY” anywhere in the U.S., even in the wilderness! You’re very likely not going to live very long.

 

 

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

I admire your endurance, to go against such a strong river stream. I can only imagine that the shaming normal western mgtow men goes through is probably only a fraction of what you had to go through.

And as others have said, fitting avatar, for some one going against such dire odds.

[BlushireParticipant 11]

All of the news i watched and heard always saying that middle east is hell for woman.

But your information here, revealing the truth that, man is the one at hell there.

I hope this opened many people eyes.

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