The importance of goals for men

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

First off I’d like to thank my MGTOW brother freedom whose post titled “Friend called, he doesn’t want to see me again”, gave me quite a bit of reason for thought and reflection. I spent quite some time on Friday pondering the essence of that post. A man who chooses to completely jettison what is a lifelong friendship that has been immensely beneficial for him because he wants to make a woman happy. While my fellow MGTOW brethren have voiced their opinions of what he needs to do and how to handle this, I wanted to understand what would make a man do this?

What I finally realized in my time of pondering this is that I have encountered these kinds of guys in the past. The kind of men who want to keep the wife or gf happy and will go to any lengths to do it. Most of these men (including freedom’s friend) do not necessarily want to alienate their friends but they do so in large part because they have nothing beyond the woman in their life. They think that this is as good as it’s going to get and they fear that anything she does not approve of will mean and end to this utopia of theirs. Their entire existence is based on female approval and being patted on the head. To get that approval these men will go through anything including the alienation of friends and family. Pondering this I began to realize how important it is to instill dreams and goals in the minds of young men, and why it is important to help them understand that those goals should never be sacrificed for a woman or to put it in even more transparent terms – sacrificed because she promised you regular sex. I believe that a man who does not compromise his goals is one who will not jettison his friends because a woman asked him to do so. Strong men are forged in the crucible of suffering to attain these goals and the pain of having attained it will be a constant hedge against the scheming of women who will want to divert him from this path. I have seen it identified many times on this very site. How many of you have spoken about women who complain that their bf’s and husbands don’t spend enough time with them and are always working and yet the moment their bf’s and husbands do exactly that they complain that he isn’t a good provider anymore. We call these s~~~ tests and I can believe that these s~~~ tests were not born in the last 10 years. It’s always been there. In fact I can envision a caveman coming back to his cave with a fresh kill and his woman greeting him at the door with the complaints that he does not spend enough time in the cave. When he does that however or if he were to be injured while providing for his family, said cavewoman will leave and find a new provider.

But the men in the past did not do this – take the people who navigated the world, great sea captains and admirals – most of them married but would never allow their wives to dissuade them from their goal of navigating the oceans or discovering new lands. Where would we be if Magellan had decided to stay home with his wife or Columbus decided to spend more time with his wife and kids. You think these wives would have actually enjoyed that? Men of today need to learn that the greatest goal in life isn’t to make a woman happy or to worship her. It is to chase your goals and dreams regardless of where it may lead.

Most of us on here are guys who have lived the best years of our life and were s~~~ out through the process of the family and divorce courts. What we can do is educate our sons on the importance of goals and understand that getting laid and having sex isn’t a goal – but rather it is a burden. Having a wife and kids isn’t a goal nor is it the American dream. Female approval is not the be all and end all of your life nor is it a necessity.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Nice post. I might say take it a step farther. If she wants you give up what matters to you, be it friends, hobbies, etc., then she is just showing you that she’s the wrong one. A good person wouldn’t force that type of choice on you. She’s telling you that she isn’t good enough for you.

Believe her.

Order the good wine

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

Never met a woman who cares about things that guys care about. We are different in likes and interests. Women pretend to like stuff that men do, so to have that “look at all we have in common” moment. It is all a facade.

[Anonymous 3]

It’s that men don’t value each other. I learned this lesson all the way back in college, but really, it was sure to happen to you in high school and earlier too. It’s just most men write it off at those ages and say it’s because it’s a new experience. It doesn’t bother them when the guy runs off to the girl smugly, thinks he’s better than everyone else, then comes back as if nothing happened, only to repeat the process.

It bothered me though. It was so easy for these boys and then men to throw away everything, break their word and the like, while still demanding things from others. It wasn’t until much later when we started getting the terminology, the blue pill and all sorts of other stuff that I finally understood it enough and could put it in words. But I had already started distancing myself from other men.

There’s this idea that you can be MGTOW and just be very social and trust other men and all of that. I have never found that. Those words, Going Their Own Way, emphasis on OWN really resonate. You do have to go your OWN way. That means you can’t rely on others to be there. They can be on part of the way, while they’re going their own way, if it happens to overlap with yours. But you can’t expect your entire journey through this life to have companions with you.

There was a time when your partner, your follower really, would be your wife. That has long passed. But there was never a time of groups of men that could really trust each other and go through life that way. Women’s biology makes them the way they are, but most men are also under the same biological reality, and it’s up to an MGTOW to understand both men and women and then act best for himself.

It has nothing to do with laws or anything else. It’s an understanding of human nature. The same understanding men like Tesla and Newton famously found, but also Magellan, Alexander, the Buddha and countless men whose names you don’t know. Will Keymaster’s name go down in history? I don’t know, we don’t even have his real name, but I doubt even the pseudonym will go down. But that won’t change his important and contribution either.

Frankly, I find women far more trustworthy than men in general, and I certainly don’t trust women. But at least I received honesty from young women and warnings on other women and even disapproval of what the blue pill men did. And many occasions a blue pill former friend’s girlfriend or sister would force him to do whatever he promised to do. I know for a fact that most of the time these blue pill men are using their gf or wife’s name as an excuse—it’s more his decision that he doesn’t want to spend time with you. Because he never gave a s~~~ in the first place, just faked it until something better came along in his mind—does this sound familiar to you? It should, it’s classic female hypergamy, except here it’s the blue pill simp replacing a male friend for a female. It’s the same principle in action, these blue pill men are just false women, a poor replica of a female. The quicker you learn that, the better it is for you.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22506]

Higher t women actually do like some men things. Sports, outdoor stuff, light mechanical stuff.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22506]

Beta men don’t, beta men act like women. And wonder why anything doesn’t work out for them.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Anonymous 54]

I just see it as a guy with no concept of loyalty.

A spinless peice of s~~~.

He gave up his own Dog.

Sorry my stuff lacks the eloqunce of you intelectuals.

[Bloody HeartlandParticipant 693]

Last night I had a dream I had sex. For all the wet dreams men have talked about having, I don’t think I’ve ever once experienced it. Some where I’ve dated or fell in love, but none of that. Relatively straightforward compared to other dreams I’ve had, only it was in a house I lived in during my teens, and her and I were young, and I never saw her face.

I can only take it to mean that perhaps it’s putting the idea behind me as I go forward, and being that it wasn’t as emotionally charged as other dreams, it wasn’t a big deal and didn’t matter who it was with. I just don’t care anymore. The idea was once to get the money, and then get the women, but given the horror stories I’ve heard, I can safely cut that part of the plan out now.

Thankfully I’ve still got my hobbies I’m passionate about. Not the most productive, but if I can be self sustaining at least, what does it really matter? Now I can focus on trying to get better at art, writing better stories, not feel guilty about collecting games, not give up on weight loss just because women reject me. Used to put so much stock in others’ opinions of me that it would hold me back, and now it is so freeing to give zero f~~~s.

"I have the fury of my own momentum." "With this ring I thee wed. Fire walk with me."

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Anonymous wrote:

I just see it as a guy with no concept of loyalty.

A spinless peice of s~~~.

He gave up his own Dog.

Sorry my stuff lacks the eloqunce of you intelectuals.

True, but my experience of these guys is that they have nothing outside of the pussy they are chasing. No life, no hobbies. They think that female validation and approval is the highest calling and the epitome of success.

[NerdTunnelerParticipant]

That is a good insight…Men have forgotten to dream big and chase that dream with passion…The weemin always will try to distract us or else divert us to the “correct” path according to them which is usually a form of servitude…

I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...

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