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[prmai49Participant 52]

Western civilizations are having less and less children as feminism reaches its heights. In contrast, Islam is spreading like wild fire. With no plans to assimilate, they will take over European and western culture through immigration and increased reproduction.
Here is a religion that is considered very patriarchal. Where most women still treat their men with dignity and respect. I’ve even read articles that Muslims can practice polygamy. This is a culture that can provide a man with a wife/wives and a large family, as long as he “submits” to its ideology.
So my question is, would a mgtow be willing to submit to an ideology in order to have the wife and family that is no longer available in the culture that raised him. Or does a mgtow stay away from commitment, live his life single while enjoying other aspects of life as he foregoes the traditional family dream?

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I think I’ll pass. Remember the movie War Games? The only way to win is if you don’t play.

Order the good wine

[oopsiesParticipant 30]

I wouldn’t submit either. But I do it on religious grounds. However, your question was framed in the context of “mgtow”ism so I would still say no because to me, it’s not a genuine relationship. She could still be seething inside but because of circumstance, she doesn’t have a choice. I believe that mgtow came about because of the lack of love in a relationship. And I don’t mean lovey dovey stuff we find in the movies. I’m referring to respect, understanding, and partnership – things which we do not see much (if at all) from today’s women but tons of it from many men. Just my two cents!

[Anonymous 18]

Islam is patriarchy. Feminism is matriarchy.

MGTOW is neither.

[Anonymous 1]

prmai49 wrote:

Where most women still treat their men with dignity and respect

Bulls~~~. In a way, Islam is WORSE than feminism to men, since they ENFORCE the man to TAKE CARE of women and children, and the women are not obligated at best, are restricted at worse, to help in any significant way, other than the old same chore of cooking and cleaning. And if you think that staying at home, cooking and cleaning, at this day and age, is equivalent to grueling at work 40 to 80 hour a week at work are equivalent, I feel sorry for you.

I either have a family where I have a PARTNER, not a dependent , to help to raise a child, or I rather stay alone.

Islam is as gynocentric as the rest of the world. TradCons would be happy to adopt its method, I rather be free than a slave though.

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