The fruits of society

[tripvanParticipant 193]

We are the fruits of the society, enjoying our lives with our eyes open. So why is there so much talk about MGTOW as a sign of an unhealthy society on the brink of collapse? Why are people being made feel guilty for opting out?

Not all men are MGTOW, so whilst reproductive rates in the west are dropping, there are still going to be people having babies.

So there won’t be as many people as before, but in my mind this is hardly a sign that western civ is doomed to fail, or a sign of a depopulation agenda. I don’t get it. It smells like a tradcon viewpoint. Of course something had to balance out after the population explosion of the 20th century.

And if someone wants to shame you into believing that by choosing not having kids you are breaking your own genetic path, ask them to draw a family tree back 10 generations. If you run into problems, just make up names, it really does not matter. Then find out how many years that was (maybe 200 years?). Then ask them to explain how special any one person on that genetic lineage actually was (especially those names you had to make up).

Then realize any one of those ladies in there could have slept with anyone else in their village. Oh but, people were better back then and close knit societies did not permit sleeping around? Well come on, the Bible had to teach adultery was bad, good behavior is not automatically inherent in any generation. What you have in front of you is not true genetic lineage, what you have in front of you is a catalog of marriage certificates. Not many actually care about genetic lineage, what they want is neat names of neat marriages put into neat boxes.

1 Timothy 1, 3-4
instruct certain people not to spread false teachings, nor to occupy themselves with myths and interminable genealogies. Such things promote useless speculations…

Titus 3, 9-11
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, quarrels, and fights about the law, because they are useless and empty. Reject a divisive person after one or two warnings. You know that such a person is twisted by sin and is conscious of it himself.

If you want to pass on your humanity and learnt skills, be an example for others, become a teacher, adopt a child or pursue surrogacy. If you want to pass on your genetic lineage, sleep with as many people unprotected as possible.

[Anonymous 24]

Forget about conspiracy stuff for a minute in relation to population. The simple fact is the doubling rate of the world’s population, last I checked was around 38 years or so. People are already bitching about global warming, pollution, lack of resources… On the other hand, the social engineers/corporations/governments want growth. Growth = Wealth to be funneled to the top. Growth = strong economy. So, it is really a race off of a cliff. The more intelligent are having less kids, the less educated are having more. The more intelligent are, in my estimation, more likely to have right leaning beliefs. The less intelligent, tend to have more left leaning beliefs. This happens because when you are poor and have 10 kids because you are either selfish or stupid, you want/need the state to help more. If you are more intelligent and see the burden of kids on yourself and the state and the future of mankind, this person tends to be more right wing. These are generalizations of course that pertain to this subject alone. Right wing/left wing s~~~ exists mainly to keep us divided so that we do not go after the government all at once. And this is why MSM is so divisive. Always going over the same 5 topics that both sides will never agree on, and never getting both sides together on the things we DO agree on.

The bible did not teach most of us anything. And it only teaches those who read it what they wanted it to teach them. It certainly did not teach us that some things were wrong and others were right. I have heard this so often over the years that it makes my ears bleed. Like we were all animals before the bible and it somehow made us all enlightened and humane. Silly on so many levels.

My username derives from the movie Idiocracy, the opening sequence touches on this reproduction dilemma.

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

tripvan wrote:

We are the fruits of the society, enjoying our lives with our eyes open.

If we are the fruits, then who are the nuts?

tripvan wrote:

in my mind this is hardly a sign that western civ is doomed to fail

Maybe so, maybe no.

However the country of the world’s largest reserve currency being itself 19+ trillion dollars in debt definitely is a big f~~~ing sign.

The s~~~ is going to hit the fan. You don’t need to look at MGTOW to see that.

[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

just have to ignore the “they were very stupid part.” An opinion presented as a fact. They saw the end, and choose to enjoy their lives instead of fighting / playing the game.

My Goal: To Leave Society.

[RoyDalParticipant]

@нσтησσв,
You nailed it. The parallels between today’s society and the mouse cage are too strong to dismiss.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 29]

sidecar wrote:

If we are the fruits, then who are the nuts?

Those currently running this asylum/madhouse.

[tripvanParticipant 193]

Anonymous wrote:

The bible did not teach most of us anything. And it only teaches those who read it what they wanted it to teach them. It certainly did not teach us that some things were wrong and others were right.

Exactly, however it can be used as an example of what people thought was important to indoctrinate into the next generation, merely highlighting the point that it is in our nature to be promiscuous. And obsess about our historical lineage.

sidecar wrote:

However the country of the world’s largest reserve currency being itself 19+ trillion dollars in debt definitely is a big f~~~ing sign.

The s~~~ is going to hit the fan. You don’t need to look at MGTOW to see that.

This is true. But if anything, they might be trying to stimulate our growth into more of an r-reproductive cycle to trigger a new period of growth, and part of that would be getting us to believe that there is a big bad wolf constantly on the horizon despite there being tons of available food and resources.

нσтησσв wrote:

just have to ignore the “they were very stupid part.” An opinion presented as a fact. They saw the end, and choose to enjoy their lives instead of fighting / playing the game.

Yup, hard to quantify what very stupid means from this video. They were riding the wave, and started to seek value in their own way, which for a mouse does not extend to very much at all so how can one measure their intelligence – an IQ test? Maybe they were just mistaking markers for intelligence – by noting a lack of reproduction and dominance in favor of solidarity and incessant grooming, even though intelligence in humans is not synonymous with dominance and reproduction.

[Anonymous 42]

tripvan wrote:

So why is there so much talk about MGTOW as a sign of an unhealthy society on the brink of collapse?

Hey tripvan, feminism and it’s ever expanding and invading agenda is responsible for “this unhealthy society”.

As far as “MGTOW” is concerned, we’re a “sign” of deep psychological rebooting, so our operating systems can adjust and ////RUN/NORMAL/FREEDOM/ENTER!$$%*#@()@(!@*$%%_*??????????………………….?????…………….!………..(((MGTOW!))).

Nothing is more mind soothing than the utter abandonment and ignorance to this current female pinnacle of man treachery.
MGTOW is a “conversion”, not a “perversion”…. The perversion lye within the gynocentric laws, MANdates, and women having the upper hand in most all arenas where fairness and “EQUALITY” is the biggest f~~~ing bulls~~~ story to ever have been shoved up a mans ass!!!
MGTOW: The only solid ground in this ongoing flood of absolute f~~~ing misery! In my heart I’m belly laughing on the gasses of my misery converter!!!
I predict allot of fat cats in the future! Especially with a diet consisting of only landwhale!

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

Governments, western ones in general, want their countries to grow, because their debts are increasing exponentially, with the only way to sustain this hell ride, is to have more people in the next generation, paying tax, than the last one.

The generation before, sell off the next one into slavery, pretty much.

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

tripvan wrote:

But if anything, they might be trying to stimulate our growth into more of an r-reproductive cycle to trigger a new period of growth, and part of that would be getting us to believe that there is a big bad wolf constantly on the horizon despite there being tons of available food and resources.

Anyone smart enough to think that is smart enough to know it wouldn’t work. If anything, fear of a “big bad wolf on the horizon” only encourages people to conserve assets and abandon currency, thereby limiting spending and killing economic growth.

And we know they’re not that smart. Public debt comes from politicians buying votes with other people’s credit once they’ve run out of other people’s money. It’s the political equivalent of those idiots who think prosperity comes from credit cards.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

On a Bible note, I am generally following this said by Jesus:
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?” (Matthew 7:3) and elsewhere.

I really have too much of my own issues now to do, in order to get my life in order, to really deal with what the world does. I can’t deal with the world, only myself. I have much more peace doing that. Once I get stronger, I really can only impact those I know, and who know me, and know me. I say this, as someone who has a YouTube channel on MGTOW also. I have less than 150 subscribers now. I am curious what people expect one person to do, in order to be able to make that huge of a difference.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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