The extinction of the modern Beta.

[AFTParticipant 2723]

http://www.returnofkings.com/107798/4-reasons-modern-betas-will-become-extinct

Just read this article from our favorite PUA, V Douche, and found it interesting how he assumes a, “mission of reproduction”.

Quote/ – “The likes of MGTOW are an evolutionary dead end. Their kin still dies with them, even if they understand elements of the nature of women, but deny their mission of reproduction.“

With all the talk of self improvement and putting yourself first, he still manages to undermine his sovereignty with becoming a tool for another cause: having children, without any discussion of the land-field of hazards.

This is the essence of MGTOW, put yourself first, only have children, when you can on your own terms, which is not compatible with society at this point in time.

Having kids is not the pinnacle of success, it’s gaining and maintaining your sovereignty over yourself, and only then freedom and a future for any descendants.

An interesting topic nonetheless, as I believe Betas will turn into “asshole alphas” at a faster pace than ever, as a result of interacting with female nature.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[HitmanParticipant]

i have a kid.
cost me far more than i ever imagined.
i waited much longer than most people to procreate.
should have done like actor Tony Randall and had a kid when i became 77 years old..he had two .
.
it is not the measure of success .
and , there are plenty of blue pill men to make kids and live in that hell i escaped from.

[Sky-OParticipant 18944]

Regarding betas ‘will turn into asshole alphas’

That’s not even practically possible for a sustained period of time.

It would be like the droid C3PO from Star Wars attempting to be a Jedi by wearing a black cloak and holding a light saber.

Good luck to any betas that try to morph into something they are not.

They will still be subjected to endless clitoral based games & mind-fckng, sticking it in numerous shades of crazy and their fate will be far worse if/when the women they are trying to act alpha for catch on to that nonsense.

Betas just gotta be betas.

[,Participant 1301]

Sky-O wrote:

Good luck to any betas that try to morph into something they are not.

They will still be subjected to endless clitoral based games & mind-fckng, sticking it in numerous shades of crazy and their fate will be far worse if/when the women they are trying to act alpha for catch on to that nonsense.

Betas just gotta be betas.

HEY, ow, oh dammit… yeah…
NO !

with joy/without hate

[Writing Desk RavenParticipant 460]

I like how the entire article revolves around the straw man that no alpha has ever met a bad end… when, statistically, it is almost always alphas that are lost across history, often in the name of a greater cause.

He also talks like he’s one of these mythical beasts that RoK constantly calls “alpha”, which offers me no small amount of ironic humor.

But, back on point: by his logic, the deaths of men like Einstein, Telsa, most philosophers, nearly all writers, Martin Luther, countless kings and military officers and revolutionaries… yeah, those are evolutionary dead ends. No effect on mankind, whatsoever. Clearly.

For someone who fancies himself a man to look up to, his logic smells an awful lot like tuna.

"Almost the main work of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little dark prison we are all born in... The danger is that of coming to love the prison." ~ C.S. Lewis

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

“Mission of reproduction”?

I am still laughing.

Darn. I guess I won’t be going on a “mission of reproduction” anytime soon. That would require me to get into the same proximity as a feminist. I prefer to stay about a block away.

I do have a mission with a fleshlight.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Sky-O wrote:

Betas just gotta be betas.

Well…in theory…if I’m a beta wallet at this point in my life, but I don’t allow myself to be used as a beta wallet…doesn’t that make me an alpha? If getting women, and not letting women own you makes you an alpha…does it matter if I get women because I’m buff, charismatic, or well off financially? They are all just a path to the same destination. Maybe I spent my younger years studying to get a good job instead of working out to have a model body.

Likewise…the “alpha” that signed his b~~~~ over because he was stupid enough to get married and have kids, then got depressed and started drinking too much beer and grew a big gut isn’t really an alpha anymore because if his wife gave him the boot he isn’t going to be the stud he was pre-marriage.

So really when people are talking alpha/beta does it mean anything because we all know SMV isn’t a static number, and we all know just a few red pills can completely alter how you think and act towards women.

[AFTParticipant 2723]

Sky-O wrote:

Regarding betas ‘will turn into asshole alphas’

That’s not even practically possible for a sustained period of time.

It would be like the droid C3PO from Star Wars attempting to be a Jedi by wearing a black cloak and holding a light saber.

Good luck to any betas that try to morph into something they are not.

They will still be subjected to endless clitoral based games & mind-fckng, sticking it in numerous shades of crazy and their fate will be far worse if/when the women they are trying to act alpha for catch on to that nonsense.

Betas just gotta be betas.

Beer wrote:

just a few red pills can completely alter how you think and act towards women

Exactly why boys and men that were prone to becoming betas by swallowing the socially accepted gynocentric blue pill in the past, will now wake up and turn away in increasing numbers.

I predict Betas will mainly become, “assholes”, “PUAs”, but some will be MGTOW, female nature will kill Betas, either through teaching them to change or destroying them.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[<<>>Participant 435]

Nonsense 80% of men do not reproduce. Some of the greatest thinkers and inventors had no time for family and changed the world forever. Somebody kick this guy right in the pussy.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Meh

I dont read any bulls~~~ from those ass clowns.
Pontificating from a porcelain throne does not a make a King.
I expect to see a large number of their following here after their court appearances.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Writing Desk RavenParticipant 460]

Grumpy wrote:

I expect to see a large number of their following here after their court appearances.

Glad to see I’m not the only one waiting for that shoe to drop.

– “Real men shouldn’t deny their mission of reproduction.”

*One inevitable, unsurprisingly brutal divorce later.*

– “Real men aren’t bound by a mission of reproduction.”

"Almost the main work of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little dark prison we are all born in... The danger is that of coming to love the prison." ~ C.S. Lewis

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Never wanted kids.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I’m going to assume here he meant that in the context of it being the prime objective of an organism to project its genetic material into the future.

I agree with him that humanity must make children in order to exist in the future (obviously) and that, by taking themselves out of the gene pool, men who choose not to reproduce will not have their genetic material be a part of that future.

I will furthermore state that MGTOW, whom I believe to be generally of above-average intelligence, will be denying future humanity the benefit of our genetic strength by opting not to reproduce.

The idea is that intelligent men dipping out of the reproduction game leaves the job of producing future generations of children to less intelligent men, precipitating some sort of “Idiocracy” process.

IF this is true, we have two defensive positions. 1) its not my problem and 2) given the way things are going, we’re going to need the sons of physically aggressive men willing and able to defend the womenfolk in the next few generations.

In other words, intelligence is no longer a survival trait.

If, on the other hand, MGTOW men believe we have a duty to the future to propagate our genetic material, the answer is clear. Go to Japan and anonymously impregnate as many of the most sexually desirable women you can as quickly as you can and then get out, come home and get a vasectomy.

Problem solved.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

I have 4 children from 3 different women.
I think it’s enough.
I consider myself extremely lucky because I’m paying support for just only 2 of those children, and I don’t pay alimonies at all: I don’t support any woman.

What will be the end of the average modern PUA?
Personally after “retirement” the most logic solution would be being MGTOW or being able to live with the money of a rich and ugly widow.
But since PUAs are being more and more infiltrated by tradcons, probably most PUAs will end as the average beta, being the ATM and workhorse of a woman.

The thing that I totally dislike about PUAs is their insistence about the look of women.
Hell, we all agree, I hope, that a woman must be decent looking, at least a 6.
It’s even very clear that an 8 or a 9 are way better.
BUT
A real MAN don’t bother so much: if he decides “I want sex” he’ll have sex and he’ll keep trying with all women around him ranging from 5 to 10 until he’ll get sex.
PUAs, with their insistence on look and tactics, often (if not even most nights) don’t get sex at all.
No, thanks, I prefer the younger myself, ending in penetrating a vagina at least 80% of the nights I did go for it, without bothering so much about their look: it’s an attitude that is much more manly, much more testosteronical, and much less pussy worshipping.
Beside: have you ever noticed that PUAs don’t talk about threesomes and foursomes? They cannot have that, their attitude fully prevents such things…

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[narwhalParticipant]

I get that there is the biological urge to reproduce, but part of the problem is that society often doesn’t allow men to fulfill that urge, regardless of his intentions. I don’t think it’s just sex or passing on genes, but actually raising a child to be a man or woman. Even if a man is married, he is often denied that as his will for the child is almost always considered secondary to the will of the child’s mother.

If he means that MGTOW will be extinct because they don’t reproduce, that’s nonsense. Few MGTOW are the product of a MGTOW father. Because men have less influence on their children, it’s not as if a MGTOW can guarantee his son will be MGTOW as well. Many MGTOW are drawn in not because of positive influences, but on the negative influences they see in women and society…which there is no shortage of.

Most importantly, MGTOW is based on the truth, which can’t go extinct. Suggesting that MGTOW ideals will die because MGTOW don’t reproduce is like saying that 1+1 no longer equals 2 if you kill off every mathematician in the world.

Ok. Then do it.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Not gonna subject children to this piece of s~~~ world. No kids here either.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Paul in the Bible never got married. Jesus never got married or reproduced. A few sentences from either of those men are read more often than all of ROKs articles combined. “Mission to reproduce” my ass.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

I do love how most people think there are ONLY alphas and betas.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Stargazer wrote:

I will furthermore state that MGTOW, whom I believe to be generally of above-average intelligence, will be denying future humanity the benefit of our genetic strength by opting not to reproduce.

The idea is that intelligent men dipping out of the reproduction game leaves the job of producing future generations of children to less intelligent men, precipitating some sort of “Idiocracy” process.

I agree man…this is what I see going on as well. We are shooting ourselves in the foot as a society as we punish hard working traditional men for trying to be a good husband and a good father, yet we reward thugs for being a dead beat and popping out a bunch of illegitimate kids they have no intentions or legal method of supporting. There is no way its going to end well.

Eric Lauder wrote:

Hell, we all agree, I hope, that a woman must be decent looking, at least a 6.

Sad thing is what does a woman have to do to be at least a 6…generally just not be obese and have decent hygiene, and sadly most women these days can’t even pull that off lol.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Asside from genetic diseases, genes mean nothing compared to environmental factors. What really matters is the knowledge you pass on not what genes. And the best way to teach is by example. So, MGTOW will be far more influential to far more men than the 7-8 kids some no-name PUA will pass his genes to, but never get to speak with.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

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