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    Veniversum
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    It was once said by Milton Friedman that the most sinister way to destroy a nation is to hyperinflate its currency. It causes the collapse of civilization. It doesn’t matter how good the declared intent of an organization is, if it is actively taking action to initiate a crisis. Crisis initiation can never be justified, even for the supposed building of a “Utopia”. Order out of Chaos is an untenable model. There is no such thing as “Left Wing” or “Right Wing”. Anyone who actively pursues the conquest of peaceful people should not be supported, whether perceived as left wing or right wing. Both of those wings belong to the same bird: The crown of Empire. This is the use of dogma, and deception to artifice a superior status for psychopaths, who use it to obtain sex, status, and wealth.

    There are no such things as Kings. Royalty is completely made up.. to artifice advantage. Just like there is no justification for the existence of an emperor. The purpose of the enlightenment was to acknowledge this fact, and how cults, religion, and dogma were used to enslave people by infecting well meaning organizations with psychopaths, and highjacking them for the pursuit of the centralization and consolidation of power and profit. We can look at small scale examples of such, like Jim Jones and his cult, or David Koresh, but the fact is that there is no limit to how large a person can grow a cult, if they are capable of using deception, subversion, violent means to silence anyone speaking the truth, or otherwise defeat them utilizing warfare expertise.

    This explains EXACTLY why nations are so different, and why despotism and totalitarianism not only exist, but are accepted on a massive scale due to psychopaths perfecting the art of warfare, and excelling to the top of hierarchies. Nations are giant cults. The proof is so obvious, it needs no explanation. One only has to view a nation such as North Korea, which is effectively a giant prison full of captive miserable people. Once the veil has been lifted, psychopaths attempt to kill everyone who understands the source of their power and its deception. It’s exactly the same way that kidnappers and serial killers who imprisoned sex slaves brainwashed them into Stockholm syndrome, and trained them to be slaves. Some people can’t be broken, fortunately and escaped. We desperately need a cure for psychopathy..and we must not tolerate censorship. There should never be “Loyalty to the Party” as expressed by George Orwell. There should be loyalty to good people and family. The rest is there to divide us against one another to turn us into pawns.

    The pawn does not know that it is being played, it thinks it is fighting for God, Country, The Party, The Leader, etc. What it is actually fighting for is the acquisition of power (wealth, status, etc) of the player. Unfortunately peace isn’t really an option, because despots are dead set determined to acquire ever more amounts of power until they have it all. We can want peace all we would like, but the defender does not get to decide not to be attacked. People who want freedom, self ownership, and independence are not tolerated by tyrants.. and they never will be. For this reason, all we can do is be prepared because they are coming for us. We are the new Bravehearts.

    Even now, bankers are feverishly attempting the foment of civil war by rallying the people they stole from through counterfeiting and inflation to attack people, and using blatant verifiable lies.. There is nothing they would like more than to get the impoverished “left” and the impoverished “right” to kill each other, leaving only the chess players remaining. There are also public discussions about the use of weaponized drones to mass murder “the bad half” of the populace. These are Malthusian positive checks on population. This is how they have maintained power for centuries, and why history keeps repeating itself, and why the same families have been in power for centuries.. and why world wars have been created resulting in hundreds of millions of deaths. They use people for the entire duration of their lives, and then discard them.

    #892888
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    Veniversum
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    #892889
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    Veniversum
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    #892907
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    Mencken
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    You see the state for what it is. It is a violent mafia, a monopoly of violence, and simply the subjugation of peaceful people for easy money. In Anatomy of the State by Murray Rothbard, he points out that conquerors found that it was far more profitable to subjugate people for long term exploitation rather then to simply kill them and take their stuff. If the conquerors call themselves a state, then all their rackets become legal. Further, the subjects will identify as the state themselves especially if they have a menial vote.

    “If taxation without consent is not robbery, then any band of robbers have only to declare themselves a government, and all their robberies are legalized.” Lysander Spooner

    Misogynist - A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.

    #892951
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    The social contract of “those who govern derive their just right to govern from the consent of the governed…”

    Flaw: most of the time the people who control the flow of information and the education system engineer consent, so that so-called “consent” is uninformed consent. A principle of medical experimentation and drug trials is that the patient needs to give “informed consent” for it to be valid. So it should be in politics.

    Flaw: if you withdraw consent to be governed, armed men will eventually come and kill you. That constitutes “consent under duress” and is not valid duress. If I hold a gun to someone’s head and force them to sell their $70,000 Mercedes for $1, that is not a valid contract.

    Flaw: The concept that you haven’t moved away from the land you were born in constitutes “consent”. A battered wife who has no where to run to is not consenting to being beaten for simply not running away.

    All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

    #892960
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    Veniversum
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    Such is true. Perhaps it really is time for the establishment of new secret societies who, rather than being organized by psychopaths for psychopaths, are here for the organization of intellectual morality. A morality based on voluntary human cooperation, honor, freedom, and science, rather than dogma and conquest. I think the lack of this is our problem.. we allow them to organize but refuse to organize ourselves. Unfortunately, such a secret society couldn’t be established here, on a MGTOW public forum without too much being given away. This needs to happen though, and it needs to happen fast. Then again, maybe the society should become public now, and garner SO much public support that it becomes unstoppable.

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    Veniversum
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    Resurrection of the enlightenment is imperative..

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    Branched off
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    The enlightenment was a period in history. It has passed.

    It came about because people had finally threw of the shackles of the Catholic church and feudalism. Science was born and grew fast. Ideas were exciting, valuable and to die for. Freedom of thought was worth dying for.

    Those times are gone. Time moves in cycles. We are f~~~ed now. I can’t see the clock being turned back. The catholic church’s lies have been replaced by the lies of liberalism and equality. The aristocracy are fast being replaced by the big banks and the likes of Amazon and google. The people need them for life, they bleed the people dry. The people owe them labour to pay their debts. Financial feudalism is coming fast.

    It will take some years, probably centuries before people break out again (unless a poor race take this culture down, like the barbarians took down Rome).

    The fact that western culture is f~~~ed does not mean that the individual should forget that great principle that the enlightment rejoiced in -sapere aude. If only those who believe the lies of equality actually dared to look at the science…

    A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

    #892991
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    The enlightenment was a period in history. It has passed.
    It came about because people had finally threw of the shackles of the Catholic church and feudalism. Science was born and grew fast. Ideas were exciting, valuable and to die for. Freedom of thought was worth dying for.
    Those times are gone. Time moves in cycles. We are f~~~ed now. I can’t see the clock being turned back. The catholic church’s lies have been replaced by the lies of liberalism and equality. The aristocracy are fast being replaced by the big banks and the likes of Amazon and google. The people need them for life, they bleed the people dry. The people owe them labour to pay their debts. Financial feudalism is coming fast.
    It will take some years, probably centuries before people break out again (unless a poor race take this culture down, like the barbarians took down Rome).
    The fact that western culture is f~~~ed does not mean that the individual should forget that great principle that the enlightment rejoiced in -sapere aude. If only those who believe the lies of equality actually dared to look at the science…

    It is unfortunate that the traditional religions have been replaced by the secular “religion” of leftist ideologies. It would be nice to have reason and logic again have a greater influence than belief and dogma.

    Progressivism, “critical theory”, etc are belief systems masquerading as science.

    All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

    #892995
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    Narwhal
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    A morality based on voluntary human cooperation, honor, freedom, and science, rather than dogma and conquest.

    I don’t see much difference between your two lists, to be honest. human cooperation, honor, freedom, and science…are those not dogma in one form or another? Societies will preach different levels of these different influences as part of their dogma. Any one who disagrees is to be shamed and silenced by the majority, if not worse. Take honor for example. It does not mean the same thing in different societies. In the US, it’s considered honorable for a gay man to declare his preference whenever possible and be as open as possible. In the middle east, it’s considered honorable to toss that same man off a building. Even science, it’s used as weapon to push for social changes,financial changes, and even to justify behavior that used to be considered dishonorable.

    And although conquest isn’t really done through physical means the same way it used to be, it is still used to influence others who disagree with your way of life. And argue that the modern world has expanded to use media influence and politics to spread their will to society. I’d even argue that physical conquests might be preferred in some cases, as it’s much easier to see who you’re enemy is than when you’re being subjugated through manipulation.

    I get the desire to build a perfect society, secret or otherwise based on principles that you find to be good and true. And it would be good if those like minded people can locate each other, and live under the principles they all agree on, without the influence of outside forces. But outside forces will always exist. Even then, any group will eventually have disagreements, requiring leadership to form to resolve difference. It’s unavoidable and a part of human nature.

    As far as there never being kings. Clearly, there was/is. I get the point that you don’t want leadership that can corrupt is subjects, but that’s not practical. I’ve always thought a benevolent/all-knowing dictatorship would be the best form of government, but such a thing will never exist, since their is no human who could perform such a role.

    Ok. Then do it.

    #893025
    Veniversum
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    duplicate

    #893027
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    Veniversum
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    It is unfortunate that the traditional religions have been replaced by the secular “religion” of leftist ideologies. It would be nice to have reason and logic again have a greater influence than belief and dogma.
    Progressivism, “critical theory”, etc are belief systems masquerading as science.

    “Citizens who break the written law are hauled before judges, inquisitorially cross-
    examined, and chained for long years in State dungeons; but the
    statesmen and legislators may sell their country for gold, and break
    every statute law and constitution in the land; without the least fear
    of legal intimidation. Indeed the approbation of the State, is all-
    sufficient nowadays to sanctify any crime — even the most
    abominable. In this particular (of granting absolution) the State is
    gradually supplanting and absorbing the Church.” – Ragnar Redbeard “Might is Right”

    #893028
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    Veniversum
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    I don’t see much difference between your two lists, to be honest. human cooperation, honor, freedom, and science…are those not dogma in one form or another?

    Science is NEVER dogma. It can’t be by definition of the scientific method; it is never expected to be taken on faith, and it is always expected to be proven. People who attempt to compel you to take it on faith are not scientists, and are most likely politicians. I will concede that you are correct about the concept of honor, as it has been perverted by the cultures of dominant warlords in the past. Freedom is freedom. You either have it or you do not. So no, I don’t agree with you, but more importantly some of what you said is actually false, objectively.. particularly about science. There is an objective reality out there. Even if it is a small community of like minded people who can cooperate peacefully, that’s a good thing. It is possible, because I have had it before. It is just that life circumstances separated me from those people. So no one is going to project me as “idealist” when I have already lived the pragmatism of it.

    #893029
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    Puffin Stuff
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    Feminism is the Trojan horse that allowed non-logical thinking to gain traction. Feminism is the root of much that is evil about society. It elevates women to the supreme and allows men to wallow in the mud and kill each other to gain attention of the women.

    Legalization of prostitution would go far in equalizing society. Men would turn their attention away from women and out of the clutches of feminism.

    #icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

    #893030
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    Veniversum
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    That’s not enough though. The laws have to change. We need to go back to backing the currency with silver. We need to end the welfare state. They are basically saying we don’t matter and that we are just “sperm donors”. That will change and they will think twice about who they might have a child with if they would actually suffer for it, instead of living a comfortable life at the expense of the debt slavery of men.

    #893057
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    Branched off
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    The seinurage that our bankrupt governments can charge on fiat is so great, while silver and gold are beyond their means to purchase in enough quantity to back currency. They will never go back to real money. The whole of liberal capitalism is geared towards debt and inflation fleecing the poor man. And so he owes his labour and so feudalism begins.

    The governments will collapse and real money will be restored but probably not in our life times.

    Buy gold. Buy silver. Buy guns.

    A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

    #893061
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    Anonymous
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    This was well written. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    History has shown that Psychopaths will take over a system and exploit it for their own ends. Psychopathy has no cure and approximately 1-5% of the population has it (depending on the population). They will always seek power and they will do anything to get it.

    The Enlightenment has been countered and the Anti-Enlightenment is in full swing. We saw it started in the 20th Century when Science became faith based and mystical (Einstein and the Paradox Pushers that followed him) and Abstract Art replaced beauty with absurd ugliness. The Celebration of Creation was replaced with the Self-Destruction of Nihilism. Now the Anti-Enlightenment has gone so far as to say “THERE IS NO BIOLOGICAL BASIS FOR SEX.”

    If you need any further proof that the New Dark Ages is upon us. Look no further than the Flat Earth Theory, which is the hall mark of every Dark Age. The inability to maintain our Technological Infrastructure is another hall mark. Where I live at we no longer have access to clean water, another hall mark of the Dark Age.

    As you say, the only way to survive the Dark Age is to go underground. We look at how the renaissance got started. It was Secret Societies that preserved the Sciences during the Dark Age of Christianity. It will be Secret Societies once more that preserve the knowledge through this one. The Secret Society is always a Brotherhood sworn to never reveal the secrets of their knowledge to anyone that has not been vetted. This process has to stop any and all psychopaths from invading the society. Once a psychopath gets in the society will be taken over and subverted. The number of initiates must be few, but dedicated to the TRUTH in all its forms.

    The Light of Reason will be passed on through the long dark from Wizard to Pupil. Just as it was through the last Dark Age. Let the Science-cultists and their Nihilistic Absurd dogma destroy civilization. Only after the collapse can we begin laying the foundations for the new Enlightenment.

    #893063
    Ranger One
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    . Only after the collapse can we begin laying the foundations for the new Enlightenment.

    Short-term and temporary gains at best. If there is a new Enlightenment, another collapse will follow that.

    I think the Technomages in Babylon 5 had the right idea for when darkness shows up. Run.

    All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

    #893066
    Joey Alfio
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    Buy gold. Buy silver. Buy guns.

    Amen.

    Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

    #893107
    Narwhal
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    Science is NEVER dogma. It can’t be by definition of the scientific method; it is never expected to be taken on faith, and it is always expected to be proven. People who attempt to compel you to take it on faith are not scientists, and are most likely politicians.

    And that’s what Science used to be, and what we are taught science is taught as in schools. But today, the appearance of science (I should have clarified) is used as weapon to change and control society. We see this everyday with climate change, which by definition can’t be proved by the scientific method. We see ‘science’ applied to history in order to make determination of our origins, disprove God, and push whatever agenda is popular currently. Again it’s theories proclaim true by consensus, not the scientific method.

    So I agree with you in purity, but what is called science today, often isn’t science at all.

    Freedom is freedom. You either have it or you do not.

    Some people would define freedom as the right to make your own choices and be responsible for it. Others will claim freedom is the right to do whatever you want and be free from the consequences of your action. Some will claim that the US is not free because we must pay for your health care. We are not free because the wealthy keep wealthier, while my unskilled job doesn’t give me what I want. Some say we are not free because they can’t take everything with them when they divorce their spouse.

    I think you and I have the same definition of freedom, but the word is constantly twisted by people seeking personal gains that they have not earned.

    There is an objective reality out there. Even if it is a small community of like minded people who can cooperate peacefully, that’s a good thing. It is possible, because I have had it before. It is just that life circumstances separated me from those people. So no one is going to project me as “idealist” when I have already lived the pragmatism of it.

    There absolutely is objective truth. I’m not denying that. But humans are human and prone to want to twist reality, or how it is present to them and others, for their own gain. Sure, you can get a small community of people together who cooperate peacefully, but can you expand that to a larger community? To a nation? That, I seriously doubt.

    Ok. Then do it.

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