The destruction of the family…..

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

As I increasingly allow the red pill to influence not only my views on women, but on society as a whole, the following thoughts come to mind. The dangers of a society in which the family structure is diminished and destroyed. Much of this is due, in my opinion, to the blurring of gender lines and rise of feminism. But on a larger scale, our corrupted media laden with negative images of men is not helping either. I grew up in an era when Men were still respected as the head of the family. Mom or the kids could disagree, and did, but in the end, it was truly “Father knows best” (even when he didn’t). I remember the fear but respect I had for my Dad who recently passed on at 95 years of age. But it guided me – and my sister – well. Perhaps I was born 50 years too late – and in the wrong hemisphere (the western). But I hope for the sake of humanity, there can be a fundamental sea change in family structure. We cannot continue on the current trajectory if we are to move forward as a species. Men and Women have and should exhibit individual gender traits that help to nurture a child and set an example for him or her. When I look at the explosion of single moms, baby daddies, trash on TV (which I no longer turn on except for sports) – it sickens. And that young girls worship and emulate this garbage is even more sickening. I am wondering how many of us, although still inately MGTOW, would feel more positive about our futures and co-existance with women if that society of yesteryear once more existed.

[WolfParticipant 890]

You’re basically advocating for traditionalism, which is something I don’t want.

If you take a good look at traditionalism, it used men as utility. Feminism screams about the oppressive nature that traditionalism had on women; however, it is oppressive for men too. Women were expected to stay home and raise the children, and men were expected to work (historically in unsafe conditions) and provide for his family. Both expectations place restrictions on what men and women can do. It’s a social contract that controls both genders.

Feminism, and women in general, want no part of the traditional controls of women, but they want to keep men in that control box.

You talk about men who were head of the household traditionally; however, in my opinion, that is a charade. Women have always been in control of relationships. It may have been in a passive aggressive way, but as the old saying goes: “happy wife, happy life”. Men did what the wife wanted because that made her happy and society defines that as a good man. With traditionalism, family decisions are what the wife wants, and the guy as head of household takes the responsibility for the decision. That sounds like the s~~~ty end of the stick to me.

Many people talk about their grandparents and speculate how great it was; however, I have my suspicions about the romanticism of traditionalism. My grandfather worked in coal mines and supported his family. I’ve never had an opportunity to speak with him because he died 45 years ago (6 years before I was born), but I suspect he didn’t feel liberated while working in unsafe conditions to do what society told him he had to do. He was essentially a utility that died at a young age (60), which was likely associated with the employment he had.

In regard to the faith of our species, a new social contract is needed for relationships; however, resorting back to traditionalism is not the answer.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

“Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession… The choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family-maker is a choice that shouldn’t be. The heart of radical feminism is to change that.” — Vivian Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois

“The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.” — Linda Gordon

[Anonymous 0]

I just want to be left alone.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Marriage under today’s laws is a sucker deal for the man.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Truthseeker82 wrote:

I was born 50 years too late – and in the wrong hemisphere (the western).

I see this being said by many men here and elsewhere. I think it’s a common mistake that people make to ASSUME that things they know little about are/were better that the things they know a lot about.
You don’t have to believe me, but you can find out yourself, that gender relations are as bad or worse in the eastern hemisphere and the quality of life in general is a lot better today than it was 50 years ago. Just because the information is not as easily available or you chose to ignore it doesn’t mean that it’s not there. Just inform yourself about life in the USSR or China (eastern hemisphere) in 1965, 50 years ago. I’m talking about the life of a freedom loving intelligent regular man, which I’m assuming you would identify yourself as.
I bet you would choose your current life in less than a second.
Also, read about the various anti marriage movements by men in Japan, China and other eastern countries today. I would venture to say that Japan is the worst case to date.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Wolf wrote:

You’re basically advocating for traditionalism, which is something I don’t want.

Wolf is correct.

Truthseeker, you are confusing “traditionalism” with “honesty” and “personal responsibility.”

“Traditionalism” is in the eye of the beholder, while honesty and personal responsibility remain the same.

What is wrong with society and the laws of this society, is that currently, laws ans society reward women for being dishonest and irresponsible for their actions. While at the same time, holding men responsible for the actions of women, of whom men have no control over.

Current laws and society are making women the worst they can be, while driving men away from society.

If this was changed, to where everyone was held to be honest and personally responsible, the situation could still right itself, instead of capsizing, like a boat.

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10910]

RoyDal wrote:

Marriage under today’s laws is a sucker deal for the man.

Agreed Sir. I’d also like to add that ANY co-habitation or relationship with a female whether married or not, is a sucker deal for the man under today’s laws.

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[Anonymous 42]

Truthseeker82 wrote:

We cannot continue on the current trajectory if we are to move forward as a species.

That’s outside the philosophy of MGTOW! The Feminist liberation movement has been lobbing utter bulls~~~ at men for decades! They put this society on a course to hell! I got off that ship with the intentions of never getting back on!
Let the ship, and the liberals that captain it, die from acute radiation sickness! They have no idea of the danger that lye just below the surface of the waters they chose to charter….
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[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

Thank goodness!

The world has more people then ever before in history, and every natural resource on this planet has peaked or is in the process of peaking.

The next 50 years is gonna be f~~~ed.

The planet really needs to slow down the growth. I’ve been considering a vasectomy.

Not my property... Not my problem

[HitmanParticipant]

ILiveAgain wrote:

“The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.” — Linda Gordon

DAMN ! ..right out with it ..

Anonymous wrote:

We cannot continue on the current trajectory if we are to move forward as a species.
That’s outside the philosophy of MGTOW! The Feminist liberation movement has been lobbing utter bulls~~~ at men for decades! They put this society on a course to hell! I got off that ship with the intentions of never getting back on!
Let the ship, and the liberals that captain it, die from acute radiation sickness! They have no idea of the danger that lye just below the surface of the waters they chose to charter….
F~~~IN AWESOME !!!
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[HitmanParticipant]

i see family’s destroyed everywhere i look …it’s the new ” norm ” …f~~~ed up feminist ideology ..why destroy family’s ? the back-bone of civilization … is this some SUICIDAL s~~~ or what ?

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Hitman wrote:

… is this some SUICIDAL s~~~ or what ?

it’s premeditated
less families -> more state

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[MemberParticipant 323]

I have never met a woman yet that truly wanted equality. They always wanted to pull the strings behind the scenes…..the worst ones were not even coy about it and would do it quite blatantly.

In the old days men and women served a purpose for each other……and both sides felt like they needed the other for certain things ( women wanted man for income and security….guys for sex and domestic duties etc). Now with the Govt. stepping in as daddy and provider for most of these women in some way why would they bother with men unless its on their terms? They are taught to be a princess from day one and that any failure to fulfill their needs was a form of abuse. A lot of the men are douche bags who are fairly useless too…….they spend all their time on Smart Phones and Facebook just like the women do.

I think people tend to pull together during hard times and the frivolous things in life fade away out of necessity. I think a really hard period of time is the only thing that will snap our family structure back to a positive level again. Unfortunately I am talking haaaarrdd times to reset things like a World Ward or a Depression. Otherwise we are circling the drain as a country.

[WolfParticipant 890]

NotMyProblem wrote:

I’ve been considering a vasectomy

Highly recommended. If you intend to still f~~~ women, it’s the safest thing you can do to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.

Member wrote:

I have never met a woman yet that truly wanted equality. They always wanted to pull the strings behind the scenes…..the worst ones were not even coy about it and would do it quite blatantly.

I think a lot of them have re-defined what equality means in order to meet their needs. They’re not the most rational people, so it’s hard for them to comprehend what equality truly means. A lot of them will just call you a misogynist for challenging their irrational point of view.

[MalfunctionNeedInputParticipant 257]

RoyDal wrote:

Marriage under today’s laws is a sucker deal for the man.

If it weren’t for this I probably wouldn’t mind being married, albeit she’d have to have her own place, her own money and career, and stay the f~~~ out when I don’t want her around. That probably wouldn’t fly either knowing most women…Very few women are that respectable; I thought my exwife was one.

Sad that the new normal is a divorced family with mom raising all the children…At least now kids growing up can’t say, “I was raised by just my mom, she was so strong to have a job and pay the bills whilst raising us (although dad paid for everything).” Enough with the BS trying to paint mom as the hero.

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. --Einstein

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